Answering The Wrong Doubts About Bani Onto Tenth Master

Gurfateh Gurfateh

You say Tatta for Tainka and then you say you say huge {censored} for appeling women. You said huge (due to lots of intercrouses and) {censored} (Slang of punks from where We are all born).

Anyway is this term not menitoned in Guru Granth Sahib ie place from where we come. Will some someone wrtie it over there?

So das does the work by mercy of Bhagaouti.,who is Mahakal and who is Kalaka and who is Akal.
Chariter 20 78

You have drugged your self rather in ego and fear of Hindus.

It is from 21st,22nd and 23rd Chaectors.

Re: Answering the worng doubts aboout Bani onto Tenth Master

• Anandpur had been just settles so how could so many prostitutes come there?

If Gangu can come there inpersonatiin as good cook then why canot otheer people come.But where is term Prostitute been writtan even once?

Say if some lady tires to indulge in adulatry due to Pagan influence while entering as decent lady how can pure minded Sikhs imagine such thing.Just as they are not ******* like you.

At start of 21 Charitar lady is termed as wife of wealthy.So as per your logic all wives of wealth are protiture including mother of das.Well are your father also wealthy?

• Anandpur was a place of worship and the character of Sikhs was well known to everyone, then how did the prostitute think of finding work in a place like that?

There is no prositure but wife of rich who after entering Anandpur sahib wants to comit dualtray with Guru.If Pama or Parmanada can come in and think of wrong about Langer(as he finds its anti caste)and incite Hindu kings, so is not he more then lady trying to comit adultery.

• According to the chariters Guru Ji is a worshipper of Bhagauti. Is this not vipran kee reet? Even if Bhagauti is translated as God, why did Guru Ji went to learn Bhagauti mantar? Wasn’t Guru Ji a complete Guru?

If Wahiguru is God and Bhauti is God then what why should not there be Manter in Gurmat.

Wahiguru is Gurmanter,Then we have Mool Mantra and as per Bhai Daya Sngh JI Beej Mantra is Sat Sri Akal.

In fact to utter disgusting false propogand by you.In 21st Character,Guru in order to get Mantra did Bhaguti Manana and not Mantra.That is a sort of request to Bhaguti.What is our Ardas?Prtham Bhagouti Simar Kai..

• Why go to learn mantras if Guru Ji had straight communication with God?

This shows you lack in vocabulary,Mantra also means plan.Mantrana means consultation.Mantiri is a consular and final draft is Matta.Have you not heard of Gurmata..
ਪੰਨਾ 1165, ਸਤਰ 9
ਦੁਸਟ ਸਭਾ ਮਿਲਿ ਮੰਤਰ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਕਰਸਹ ਅਉਧ ਘਨੇਰੀ ॥
दुसट सभा मिलि मंतर उपाइआ करसह अउध घनेरी ॥
dusat sabhaa mil mantar upaa-i-aa karsah a-oDh ghanayree.
The council of villains met and resolved to send Prahlaad into the life hereafter.
ਭਗਤ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Re: Answering the worng doubts aboout Bani onto Tenth Master

Man in Guru Granth Sahib there are 74 times term Mantra comes.

Das brings in here only 30.

Re: Answering the worng doubts aboout Bani onto Tenth Master

• With Guru Ji being Mard Agambra, Saint-soldier, with Taij partaap, didn’t the prostitute have fear of Guru Gobind Singh Ji?

When King Shiv Nabh send Harlots to Guru Nanak Dev Ji and he reformed them.Did not those Sri Lankend daughters of Guru had fearlessness beore meeting the Guru?

What about 400 Hundred Pathans who diteched Guru after staying with him.did they not have fear?When Akal wants bad time for sometime or wants to teach that person a lesson.All fear of good is lost in that.Same is happening to you.

• How did a prostitute have the guts to ask Guru Ji for fulfillment of Kaam?

Did not Aurangzeb Had guts to ask Guru to convert to Islam.Sinner is also powerfull and viturus is power full when he defeats sinner.And you know that she was not successsfull.

• Guru Ji knows everything, then why didn’t Guru Ji know what type of woman anoop kaur was?

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Why did not Guru knew Gangu Pandit?Guru here also knew about her but whated to make a lesson for us.

Guru knew everything then why did he had faithn in false outght of cow and Kuran by Hindus and Muslimm indavders respectively?

He knew but he had to work Kautak.(acts to teach Sikhs lesson on world).

• also, where did a prostitute get the name Kaur? Was she Amritdhari?

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There is pricess in Bharatpur and MP of BJP called Krishendra Kaur.Kaur is word related to work and non Sikhs also use that.Term Koer and not Kaur is writtan for Anup Koer.But for you Tainka and Tatta are one and the same.

Are you awawe that there is place near Vaishnu Devi called Adi Kuwari and in south as Kanya Kumari.Kumari means doughter.

No even a single time term came Anup Kaur.Term is noop Ku-ari to be pronounced as Noop Kuwari.

But if a prostitute also becomes Amritdhari we have no problem.

Did not term prostitue come in Guru Granth Sahib?

Have look.Guru ranth Sahib Ji talked of reforming them too.

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Page 82, Line 1
ਵਿਚਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਵਦੇ ਜਿਉ ਵੇਸੁਆ ਪੁਤੁ ਨਿਨਾਉ ॥
विचि हउमै करम कमावदे जिउ वेसुआ पुतु निनाउ ॥
vich ha-umai karam kamaavday ji-o vaysu-aa put ninaa-o.
Those who do their deeds in ego are like the prostitute's son, who has no name.
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 239, Line 4
ਸਾਕਤ ਬੇਸੁਆ ਪੂਤ ਨਿਨਾਮ ॥੩॥
साकत बेसुआ पूत निनाम ॥३॥
saakat baysu-aa poot ninaam. ||3||
The faithless cynic is nameless, like the prostitute's son. ||3||
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 345, Line 4
ਤਾਰੀਲੇ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਬਿਨੁ ਰੂਪ ਕੁਬਿਜਾ ਬਿਆਧਿ ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਤਾਰੀਅਲੇ ॥
तारीले गनिका बिनु रूप कुबिजा बिआधि अजामलु तारीअले ॥
taareelay ganikaa bin roop kubijaa bi-aaDh ajaamal taaree-alay.
You saved the prostitute, and the ugly hunch-back; You helped the hunter and Ajaamal swim across as well.
Devotee Namdev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 399, Line 11
ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਮਦੁ ਜੋ ਪੀਵਤੇ ਬਿਖਲੀ ਪਤਿ ਕਮਲੀ ॥
दुरमति मदु जो पीवते बिखली पति कमली ॥
durmat mad jo peevtay bikhlee pat kamlee.
Those fools, who drink in the wine of evil-mindedness, become the husbands of prostitutes.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 526, Line 7
ਬੇਸਵਾ ਜੋਨਿ ਵਲਿ ਵਲਿ ਅਉਤਰੈ ॥੨॥
बेसवा जोनि वलि वलि अउतरै ॥२॥
baysvaa jon val val a-utarai. ||2||
shall be reincarnated over and over again as a prostitute. ||2||
Devotee Trilochan - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 528, Line 8
ਜਿਉ ਬੇਸੁਆ ਕੇ ਘਰਿ ਪੂਤੁ ਜਮਤੁ ਹੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਪਰਿਓ ਹੈ ਧ੍ਰਕਟੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
जिउ बेसुआ के घरि पूतु जमतु है तिसु नामु परिओ है ध्रकटी ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
ji-o baysu-aa kay ghar poot jamat hai tis naam pari-o hai Dharkatee. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Like the son, born into the house of a prostitute, his name is cursed. ||1||Pause||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਜਿਹ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਗਨਕਾ ਸੀ ਉਧਰੀ ਤਾ ਕੋ ਜਸੁ ਉਰ ਧਾਰੋ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
जिह सिमरत गनका सी उधरी ता को जसु उर धारो ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
jih simrat gankaa see uDhree taa ko jas ur Dhaaro. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Meditating on Him in remembrance, Ganika the prostitute was saved; enshrine His Praises within your heart. ||1||Pause||
Guru Teg Bahadur - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 692, Line 13
ਅਜਾਮਲ ਗਜ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਪਤਿਤ ਕਰਮ ਕੀਨੇ ॥
अजामल गज गनिका पतित करम कीने ॥
ajaamal gaj ganikaa patit karam keenay.
Ajaamal, the elephant, and the prostitute committed many sins,
Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 790, Line 1
ਚੋਰਾ ਜਾਰਾ ਰੰਡੀਆ ਕੁਟਣੀਆ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥
चोरा जारा रंडीआ कुटणीआ दीबाणु ॥
choraa jaaraa randee-aa kutnee-aa deebaan.
Thieves, adulterers, prostitutes and pimps,
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਜਿਹ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਮੁਕਤ ਭਏ ਜੀਅ ਜਾਨੋ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
अजामलु गनिका जिह सिमरत मुकत भए जीअ जानो ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
ajaamal ganikaa jih simrat mukat bha-ay jee-a jaano. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Remembering Him in meditation, even Ajaamal the robber and Ganikaa the prostitute were liberated; let your soul know this. ||1||Pause||
Guru Teg Bahadur - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਬੇਸੁਆ ਕੈ ਘਰਿ ਬੇਟਾ ਜਨਮਿਆ ਪਿਤਾ ਤਾਹਿ ਕਿਆ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਦਈਆ ॥੬॥
बेसुआ कै घरि बेटा जनमिआ पिता ताहि किआ नामु सदईआ ॥६॥
baysu-aa kai ghar baytaa janmi-aa pitaa taahi ki-aa naam sada-ee-aa. ||6||
When a son is born in the house of a prostitute, who can tell the name of his father? ||6||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 871, Line 16
ਕਰਿ ਸੀਗਾਰੁ ਬਹੈ ਪਖਿਆਰੀ ॥
करि सीगारु बहै पखिआरी ॥
kar seegaar bahai pakhi-aaree.
Adorning herself, she sits like a prostitute.
Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 874, Line 9
ਸੂਆ ਪੜਾਵਤ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਤਰੀ ॥
सूआ पड़ावत गनिका तरी ॥
soo-aa parhaavat ganikaa taree.
Teaching a parrot to speak the Lord's Name, Ganika the prostitute was saved.
Devotee Namdev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 981, Line 13
ਸੰਗਤਿ ਕਾ ਗੁਨੁ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਅਧਿਕਾਈ ਪੜਿ ਸੂਆ ਗਨਕ ਉਧਾਰੇ ॥
संगति का गुनु बहुतु अधिकाई पड़ि सूआ गनक उधारे ॥
sangat kaa gun bahut aDhikaa-ee parh soo-aa ganak uDhaaray.
The virtues of the Sangat, the Holy Congregation, are so very great. Even the prostitute was saved, by teaching the parrot to speak the Lord's Name.
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਜਾ ਕਉ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਅਜਾਮਲੁ ਉਧਰਿਓ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਹੂ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
जा कउ सिमरि अजामलु उधरिओ गनिका हू गति पाई ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
jaa ka-o simar ajaamal uDhaari-o ganikaa hoo gat paa-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Meditating in remembrance on it, Ajaamal was saved, and Ganika the prostitute was emancipated. ||1||Pause||
Guru Teg Bahadur - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਜਿਉ ਬੇਸੁਆ ਪੂਤ ਬਾਪੁ ਕੋ ਕਹੀਐ ਤਿਉ ਫੋਕਟ ਕਾਰ ਵਿਕਾਰਾ ਹੇ ॥੫॥
जिउ बेसुआ पूत बापु को कहीऐ तिउ फोकट कार विकारा हे ॥५॥
ji-o baysu-aa poot baap ko kahee-ai ti-o fokat kaar vikaaraa hay. ||5||
Just as no one knows who is the father of the prostitute's son, such are the worthless, useless deeds that are done. ||5||
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 1143, Line 9
ਬੇਸੁਆ ਭਜਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਹ ਸਰਮਾਵੈ ॥
बेसुआ भजत किछु नह सरमावै ॥
baysu-aa bhajat kichh nah sarmaavai.
He is not ashamed to spend time with prostitutes.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 1165, Line 4
ਜਿਉ ਬੇਸ੍ਵਾ ਕੇ ਪਰੈ ਅਖਾਰਾ ॥
जिउ बेस्वा के परै अखारा ॥
ji-o baisvaa kay parai akhaaraa.
He is like the prostitute, who comes to dance,
Devotee Namdev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 1192, Line 5
ਗਨਿਕਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਹਰਿ ਕਹੈ ਤੋਤ ॥
गनिका उधरी हरि कहै तोत ॥
ganikaa uDhree har kahai tot.
Ganika the prostitute was saved, when her parrot uttered the Lord's Name.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
Page 1400, Line 11
ਸੋਦਾਮਾ ਅਪਦਾ ਤੇ ਰਾਖਿਆ ਗਨਿਕਾ ਪੜ੍ਹਤ ਪੂਰੇ ਤਿਹ ਕਾਜ ॥
सोदामा अपदा ते राखिआ गनिका पड़्हत पूरे तिह काज ॥
sodaamaa apdaa tay raakhi-aa ganikaa parhHat pooray tih kaaj.
Sudaamaa was saved from misfortune; and Ganikaa the prostitute - when she chanted Your Name, her affairs were perfectly resolved.
Bard Nala-y - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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ਬੇਸੁਆ ਕੇਰੇ ਪੂਤ ਜਿਉ ਪਿਤਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਿਸੁ ਜਾਇ ॥
बेसुआ केरे पूत जिउ पिता नामु तिसु जाइ ॥
baysu-aa kayray poot ji-o pitaa naam tis jaa-ay.
They are like the son of a prostitute, who does not know the name of his father.
Guru Amar Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

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• It is said that most prostitutes were Muslim? Then hwy the last name kaur and first name anoop?

Who told you that?And how did that person knew about that?Did he went to them?

Another non snese thing.

Listen son
You are helping your hindu family.Hindus can have name Anup Kumari(this not even a single time comes in any Charitar).

Why das says that you help hindus.Since times before Muslims came Hindus have tradtions of prostitues.They were refered as Ganika,Veshya etc.And such names are used in Guru Granth Sahib.There is mention of one Urdu name called {censored} also but in Punjabi that is meant by widow.

Other names are Tawaif and kidli.Das could not found a single in that character you are after ie 21 to 23.And lastly since the time before Muslims came to this date it is as per regious santity that Hindus have devdasis ie Prostitutes in temples.And they were mostly Muslim?

And this lady is just at strart being mentioned as wife of wealthy?Are you blind?

• [/QUOTE]Yes there is mention of Ganika in Guru Granth Sahib.she was there before Rasol(SWAS) came to world.Ganika and Vaishyas are Sankrit Terms.In Muslims terms are Tavaif and {censored}.So Guru Granth Sahib has both terms Ganika and Vaishya but {censored} is used for widow.

so scholar like you is great and wants world to move as you want.

• [*]Also, Gurbani says that if you see the Guru once, you will losse kaam kroadh loab moh annhankar, etc? then why didn’t the prostitute loose it?
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Seeing Guru as per Gurbani is not the physical body but Guru over there is Akal.so seeing Guru is realsinsation of Truth.do you think that you show some bad person Guru Granth sahib and he will losse lust etc.?
Did not Pathan who stabbed Guru also seen physical form of Guru.Fact is that Guru is beyoond any form and Ten Master made us more towards that.

But you still go after phyiscal form and want to decide who is Sikh or who is not.Very well.
1.Baba Srichand Ji as per you were not OK(das respects him).
2.Datu Ji were son of One Guru and kicked the succeeding Guru.
3.Baba Mohan also did not cooprate with Foruth Guru.
4.Then what about Prithwi chand?Did not Chandu also see the Guru and did not Jallad se him?
5.As we move further Bidhichand,did he not see the Guru?
6.By the way if we go by your logic just presetnig any bad man in front of Guru Granth Sahib JI,all will be reformed.7.Then near Decca there were tow villages Guru told one to get uprooted as they were good people and they will spread good things and ,to bad guys Guru told to reamin settled.So did not those Bad guys swa Guru.

It is not Jesus like thing where body is worshipped.The Guru when is seen is seen in all and is not in one body but in all bodies.

• It says that when Guru Ji saw some people surrounding him, He thought his life was in danger and was helpless as there was no Sikh protecting him. Guru Ji, who says I will make 1 fight 1,000,000 was scared of 4-5 people?

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First rectify the figure.It is one by 125000 and you talk of 100000 so you are 25000 less.
so yuo wanted Guru to show miracle.Had he jhas to show,he would have done it in while staying at Chamkaur Garhi.

Once Gurus camp was looted,And Sikhs asked him why this Bhana Happned?

Guru said 'that there is a power bigger then him and that controls all'.That defeat was way to let people know that not to worship Guru but Akal.

But you may make an idol of Guru or treat Guru Granth Sahib Ji as idol whithout knowing Akal.Guru did say in Vachitar Natak that people trying to call him Primal god will go to hell.

But in story it is written that there in that place Lord was alone(he went there to meet Magan but a lady was there,Who said that if Lord does not commit Adultary,she will kill him or will shout.In both case there was to be charctor assination.In former case Lord
did not want to kill a lonely lady,In second case ,it happened that she shouted and lord grabed her brother and befooled her followers who thought him to be a Thief.And her brother went to jail and Lord reached back safe and sound

Re: Answering the worng doubts aboout Bani onto Tenth Master

• It says Guru Ji for his shoes and a shawl at anoop kaur’s house. Why did Guru Ji take off his shoes?
• Why did Guru Ji take off his shawl?
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Wait there man it seems that you are paranoid and *******ed.Term Pani Pamri is written that means rich footwear.Term Panhi comes only when that lady is summoned in the court.And Panhi means blanket.As we have to fight and run both footwears like Chappel and blanket are not handy.As you may never have fought and if you want you can wear them and see how good could you fight ,Lord,when lady shouted, leaft shoe and blanket and them made her brother get cought by her own men.It was only after when Lord refuse to commit Adultary then she wanted to trap lord,then in order to face dangers handly did lord removed hindrances.
did not Guru use to put gold in arrow to kill enemy so that with mony of that arrow enmy fmaily can get funaral done?

Guru donates something and

• GuruBani says jY fITY mnu DIrIAY iklivK vM\in@ dUry] sUhI mhlw 5, 761. Jai Deethay Mnu Dheereeae Vanjyhan Dooray] Soohee Mehala 5, 761. Then how did a woman get inflicted by kaam?

It is state of seeing Akal in all and not the seeig of Phyiscal body.Do not you think that Baba Maan Singh Of Pehva saw and read Guru Granth Sahib?

Ang 761.
ਜੈ ਡਿਠੇ ਮਨੁ ਧੀਰੀਐ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਵੰਞਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਦੂਰੇ ॥
जै डिठे मनु धीरीऐ किलविख वंञन्हि दूरे ॥
jai dithay man Dheeree-ai kilvikh vaNnjniH dooray.
Seeing Him, my mind is comforted and consoled, and my sins and mistakes are far removed.
ਸੋ ਕਿਉ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਮਾਉ ਮੈ ਜੋ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਰਪੂਰੇ ॥੭॥
सो किउ विसरै माउ मै जो रहिआ भरपूरे ॥७॥
so ki-o visrai maa-o mai jo rahi-aa bharpooray. ||7||
How could I ever forget Him, O my mother? He is permeating and pervading everywhere. ||7||

She saw body of lord and Not the Guru who is in all.

• How dare did a prostitute threaten Guru Ji?

Did not Hindu Kings and Moghuls also threatened Guru and they were worse then prostitues.

Did not Sodi of Kartarpur said bad words for Guru.What about Brahmins of Kurukshetras?They also said wrong things to Guru?

Anyone who is to go for wrong time gets non sense mind and say wrong things to Guru like you are doing.

Is not this written in Gurubani that people called Guru Ghost and spirit in dead body.
ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
मारू महला १ ॥
maaroo mehlaa 1.
Maaroo, First Mehl:
ਕੋਈ ਆਖੈ ਭੂਤਨਾ ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਬੇਤਾਲਾ ॥
कोई आखै भूतना को कहै बेताला ॥
ko-ee aakhai bhootnaa ko kahai baytaalaa.
Some call him a ghost; some say that he is a demon.
ਕੋਈ ਆਖੈ ਆਦਮੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਵੇਚਾਰਾ ॥੧॥
कोई आखै आदमी नानकु वेचारा ॥१॥
ko-ee aakhai aadmee naanak vaychaaraa. ||1||
Some call him a mere mortal; O, poor Nanak! ||1||
ਭਇਆ ਦਿਵਾਨਾ ਸਾਹ ਕਾ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬਉਰਾਨਾ ॥
भइआ दिवाना साह का नानकु बउराना ॥
bha-i-aa divaanaa saah kaa naanak ba-uraanaa.
Crazy Nanak has gone insane, after his Lord, the King.
ਹਉ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
हउ हरि बिनु अवरु न जाना ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
ha-o har bin avar na jaanaa. ||1|| rahaa-o.
I know of none other than the Lord. ||1||Pause||
ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਭੈ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਹੋਇ ॥
तउ देवाना जाणीऐ जा भै देवाना होइ ॥
ta-o dayvaanaa jaanee-ai jaa bhai dayvaanaa ho-ay.
He alone is known to be insane, when he goes insane with the Fear of God.
ਏਕੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਬਾਹਰਾ ਦੂਜਾ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਕੋਇ ॥੨॥
एकी साहिब बाहरा दूजा अवरु न जाणै कोइ ॥२॥
aykee saahib baahraa doojaa avar na jaanai ko-ay. ||2||
He recognizes none other than the One Lord and Master. ||2||
ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਏਕਾ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਇ ॥
तउ देवाना जाणीऐ जा एका कार कमाइ ॥
ta-o dayvaanaa jaanee-ai jaa aykaa kaar kamaa-ay.
He alone is known to be insane, if he works for the One Lord.
ਹੁਕਮੁ ਪਛਾਣੈ ਖਸਮ ਕਾ ਦੂਜੀ ਅਵਰ ਸਿਆਣਪ ਕਾਇ ॥੩॥
हुकमु पछाणै खसम का दूजी अवर सिआणप काइ ॥३॥
hukam pachhaanai khasam kaa doojee avar si-aanap kaa-ay. ||3||
Recognizing the Hukam, the Command of his Lord and Master, what other cleverness is there? ||3||
ਤਉ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜਾ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
तउ देवाना जाणीऐ जा साहिब धरे पिआरु ॥
ta-o dayvaanaa jaanee-ai jaa saahib Dharay pi-aar.
He alone is known to be insane, when he falls in love with his Lord and Master.
ਮੰਦਾ ਜਾਣੈ ਆਪ ਕਉ ਅਵਰੁ ਭਲਾ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥੪॥੭॥
मंदा जाणै आप कउ अवरु भला संसारु ॥४॥७॥
mandaa jaanai aap ka-o avar bhalaa sansaar. ||4||7||
He sees himself as bad, and all the rest of the world as good. ||4||7||

Ang 991

• Guru Ji condemns jantras and mantras, then why did Guru Ji go and learn mantras from a woman, especially at night?

Lord went to know about Plan and he knew that Magan a man will be there,who came on behest of lady.
Even if we deem it spell,Going of lord was more in line of First Maste goig to
1.Haridwar to expose superstition
2.To Kalijug Panda to remove myth about miracle he was showing.
3.To Jaggananth to expose myth about Arti.
4.to Mecca,to expose that God is not restricted to any direction.

He did not go there to worship.Anyway after reading this text of Charitrano one will belive in going to learn Mantra from anybody.So purpose of Charitar is done.

• While the prostitute was drugged up and unconscious, for what good deed did Guru Ji place 60 coins beside her?

Akal ill reborn you as a Hindu and then you will speak lies as per your faith.In Charitars 21 to 23rd it is not at all written.And do tell otherwise where it is written?

• Then Guru Ji announced that whoever finds my shoes and shawl and brings it to me will get rid of the cycle of life and death. What was so special about those shoes and shawl that Guru Ji wanted to end someone’s cycle of birth and death for that shawl and that pair of shoes?

That lady tried to spread disinfo about lord.Lord preempted this by saying that his stuff is lost and any Sikh who retrive it will get no death coming near to him.That may mean teqaching of Weapoanry or Gurmat teaching.It may not mean salvation as you write.

• The prostitute brought the items herself, then was her cycle of birth and death ended?

No Sikhs,who got hold of Lady had along side bought the items as proof of her stealing from Lord.Do not tell lies.Lord ordered them to do so.That happened when lord came to know from Sikhs about her having a defomation campaign.

• Chariter also says that Guru Ji gave the prostitute 20,000 coins when she came to Guru Darbar with the items. Was it suitable to give hard earned money of Sikhs to a prostitute?

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do yuo know that Guru used to give medicine via Bhai Ghannaya to people who were injuiered even from opponent side.So you can ask how and why for that also?Hard eaerned mony of Sikhs been givne to those who came to kill Sikhs?

What about Gurus putting gold in arrow so that kins to victum of that arrow get his funral done by that Gold.

When she was indoctrionated( into good faith),as in inscentive,for doing good even to bad, Lord gave him expenditure of six month packed.

• These chariters in past tense. Then how could they be written by Gu Ji?

Is there no verse in Guru Granth Sahib,which is in past tense?And should same logic of your be applied over there?

Re: Answering the worng doubts aboout Bani onto Tenth Master

Whichy tense is this?

If I and me work here then why are they not working in 71st Charitar or say discourse over as in 21st one?

Have you got something or not?

All bani is work of Akal and there is no pattern of first,secod or third being fixed.

• They are also second or even third person. Then how are they written by Guru Ji?

Why there is third person over here?
Ang 1165 and 1166
ਸੁਲਤਾਨੁ ਪੂਛੈ ਸੁਨੁ ਬੇ ਨਾਮਾ ॥
सुलतानु पूछै सुनु बे नामा ॥
sultaan poochhai sun bay naamaa.
The Sultan said, "Listen, Naam Dayv:
ਦੇਖਉ ਰਾਮ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਰੇ ਕਾਮਾ ॥੧॥
देखउ राम तुम्हारे कामा ॥१॥
daykh-a-u raam tumHaaray kaamaa. ||1||
let me see the actions of your Lord."||1||
ਨਾਮਾ ਸੁਲਤਾਨੇ ਬਾਧਿਲਾ ॥
नामा सुलताने बाधिला ॥
naamaa sultaanay baaDhilaa.
The Sultan arrested Naam Dayv,
ਦੇਖਉ ਤੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਬੀਠੁਲਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
देखउ तेरा हरि बीठुला ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
daykh-a-u tayraa har beethulaa. ||1|| rahaa-o.
and said, "Let me see your Beloved Lord."||1||Pause||
ਬਿਸਮਿਲਿ ਗਊ ਦੇਹੁ ਜੀਵਾਇ ॥
बिसमिलि गऊ देहु जीवाइ ॥
bismil ga-oo dayh jeevaa-ay.
Bring this dead cow back to life.
ਨਾਤਰੁ ਗਰਦਨਿ ਮਾਰਉ ਠਾਂਇ ॥੨॥
नातरु गरदनि मारउ ठांइ ॥२॥
naatar gardan maara-o thaaN-ay. ||2||
Otherwise, I shall cut off your head here and now."||2||
ਬਾਦਿਸਾਹ ਐਸੀ ਕਿਉ ਹੋਇ ॥
बादिसाह ऐसी किउ होइ ॥
baadisaah aisee ki-o ho-ay.
Naam Dayv answered, "O king, how can this happen?
ਬਿਸਮਿਲਿ ਕੀਆ ਨ ਜੀਵੈ ਕੋਇ ॥੩॥
बिसमिलि कीआ न जीवै कोइ ॥३॥
bismil kee-aa na jeevai ko-ay. ||3||
No one can bring the dead back to life. ||3||
ਮੇਰਾ ਕੀਆ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥
मेरा कीआ कछू न होइ ॥
mayraa kee-aa kachhoo na ho-ay.
I cannot do anything by my own actions.
ਕਰਿ ਹੈ ਰਾਮੁ ਹੋਇ ਹੈ ਸੋਇ ॥੪॥
करि है रामु होइ है सोइ ॥४॥
kar hai raam ho-ay hai so-ay. ||4||
Whatever the Lord does, that alone happens."||4||
ਬਾਦਿਸਾਹੁ ਚੜ੍ਹ੍ਹਿਓ ਅਹੰਕਾਰਿ ॥
बादिसाहु चड़्हिओ अहंकारि ॥
baadisaahu charhHi-o ahaNkaar.
The arrogant king was enraged at this reply.
ਗਜ ਹਸਤੀ ਦੀਨੋ ਚਮਕਾਰਿ ॥੫॥
गज हसती दीनो चमकारि ॥५॥
gaj hastee deeno chamkaar. ||5||
He incited an elephant to attack. ||5||
ਰੁਦਨੁ ਕਰੈ ਨਾਮੇ ਕੀ ਮਾਇ ॥
रुदनु करै नामे की माइ ॥
rudan karai naamay kee maa-ay.
Naam Dayv's mother began to cry,
ਛੋਡਿ ਰਾਮੁ ਕੀ ਨ ਭਜਹਿ ਖੁਦਾਇ ॥੬॥
छोडि रामु की न भजहि खुदाइ ॥६॥
chhod raam kee na bhajeh khudaa-ay. ||6||
and she said, "Why don't you abandon your Lord Raam, and worship his Lord Allah?"||6||
ਨ ਹਉ ਤੇਰਾ ਪੂੰਗੜਾ ਨ ਤੂ ਮੇਰੀ ਮਾਇ ॥
न हउ तेरा पूंगड़ा न तू मेरी माइ ॥
na ha-o tayraa pooNgarhaa na too mayree maa-ay.
Naam Dayv answered, "I am not your son, and you are not my mother.
ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪੜੈ ਤਉ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਇ ॥੭॥
पिंडु पड़ै तउ हरि गुन गाइ ॥७॥
pind parhai ta-o har gun gaa-ay. ||7||
Even if my body dies, I will still sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord."||7||
ਕਰੈ ਗਜਿੰਦੁ ਸੁੰਡ ਕੀ ਚੋਟ ॥
करै गजिंदु सुंड की चोट ॥
karai gajind sund kee chot.
The elephant attacked him with his trunk,
ਨਾਮਾ ਉਬਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਓਟ ॥੮॥
नामा उबरै हरि की ओट ॥८॥
naamaa ubrai har kee ot. ||8||
but Naam Dayv was saved, protected by the Lord. ||8||
ਕਾਜੀ ਮੁਲਾਂ ਕਰਹਿ ਸਲਾਮੁ ॥
काजी मुलां करहि सलामु ॥
kaajee mulaaN karahi salaam.
The king said, "The Qazis and the Mullahs bow down to me,
ਇਨਿ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਲਿਆ ਮਾਨੁ ॥੯॥
इनि हिंदू मेरा मलिआ मानु ॥९॥
in hindoo mayraa mali-aa maan. ||9||
but this Hindu has trampled my honor."||9||
ਬਾਦਿਸਾਹ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਸੁਨੇਹੁ ॥
बादिसाह बेनती सुनेहु ॥
baadisaah bayntee sunayhu.
The people pleaded with the king, "Hear our prayer, O king.

• chariters refer to Guru Ji as raja. Was Guru Ji only a raja? Bhai Nand Lal says Guru Ji is Emperor of emperors. Isn’t this downgrading to what Nand Lal said?

Are you made or fool or too much clever who tells so much of lies?

Das gives word to word tranalation of Charectors 21,22,23 and 71 and there term Rai is used and not Raja,where is term Raj used other that and that also for Guru?Tell it?

And Rai means Lord and not the King.So term Rai is used for Akal.Ham Ghar Ram Rai..
Mere Ram Rai..

So Akal can not be termed as Rai.Wait.

You want to question that Sixth Master gave Guruship to his grand son with namr Har Rai.Was not name of Tenth Master also Gobind Rai, Before he became Singh?
So who so ever gave surname Rai,to Gurus,were not OK as per you

ਪੰਨਾ 449, ਸਤਰ 5
ਦੀਨ ਦਇਆਲ ਸੁਣਿ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇਆ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਜੇ ॥
दीन दइआल सुणि बेनती हरि प्रभ हरि राइआ राम राजे ॥
deen da-i-aal sun bayntee har parabh har raa-i-aa raam raajay.
O Merciful to the meek, hear my prayer, O Lord God; You are my Master, O Lord King.
ਮਃ 4 - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
ਪੰਨਾ 479, ਸਤਰ 9
ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਹਮ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਖੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥੫॥੧॥੧੪॥
कहु कबीर हम राम राखे क्रिपा करि हरि राइ ॥५॥१॥१४॥
kaho kabeer ham raam raakhay kirpaa kar har raa-ay. ||5||1||14||
Says Kabeer, the Lord preserves me; the Lord, my King, has showered His Blessings upon me. ||5||1||14||
ਭਗਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Re: Answering the worng doubts aboout Bani onto Tenth Master

• Didn’t the Sikhs know that it is a prostitute who has brought Guru Ji’s shoes? What effect did that have on Sikhs?

You are lier.Sikhs on order of Lord borugght the thief lady with items which were as per lord were stolen.
Sikhs got hold of a lady,who was wofe of wealthy and who was accused of stealing the stuff of the lord.

• Tankahnaama Bhai Nanad Lal says Kwlsw soie jo pridRst iqAwgY] Kwlsw soie jo prnwrI qy BwgY] Then why did Guru Ji go to a woman at night? Guru Ji performed different from what Guru Ji taught?

Lord in the story did not Go to women,But was cold by man called Magan(agent of Lady).Had Lord was easy to go to Lady she should have come her self calling him in night.Lord Saw lady only after he entered the camp.and became thoughtfull.

• Chariter says that when prostitute says “thief, thief, thief!” People come and surround Guru Ji. People who lived in Anandpur were mostly Sikhs and who had faith in Guru Ji. So Guru Ji’s own followers thought of Guru Ji as a thief?

No it is written that people came,who were followers of lady.Lord held her brother,made him uncontious with muthahiri,If you want to have taste of it,Das can help you.And then by that time Lord’s Sikh took her borther to jail or Lord.Lord reached back to his home safely.

• Prostitutes must have come to Anandpur only if they had customers? Who were the customers when the city was controlled and run by Guru Ji himself? Sikhs were the customers? Do you guys go to places like that too? I guess you guys do so do the people who teach you that Chariters belong to Guru Ji.

As you blames other for that,may be you are such type o prostitues visiters obsessed by *****s.She is writan as wife of rich man and who call her protitute?Strange?

• Aren’t you disrespecting Guru Ji in countless ways by saying these chariters are written by Guru Ji?

People disrecpect Akal by un having faith and spreading lies about Charectors.

• Is it not true the present dasam granth was known as “bachitter natak” then known as “dasam paatshah ka granth”, then known as “dasam granth” and now people like you guys call it dasam guru granth sahib”. Why the name changes?

Do you knw that there are mnay names for Guru Granth Sahib.

Adi Granth.Darbar Sahib,Guru Granth Saib,Adi Guru Darbar.

One version is refere by Gyani Gyan Singh JI as one of Tenth Master.So as per your logic some one can talk ill of our Eternal Guru.

• Is it not true that there are many versions of dasam granth? Why? If it is written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji?

Das wil give you thre versions of Guru Granth Sahib JI.
1.Mithi Beerh(of Kartarpur Sahib)
2.Khari or Bhai Bannu Wali Beerh(of Kanpur)
3.Damdami Beerh(our present Guru).

So Bhai Mani Singh version is only respected copy of Dasham Granth Sahib.

• Is it not true that first copy doesn’t have Sri Mukhwak paatshahi 10 at start of chariters, it also doesn’t have Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh?

Which one is the fisrt copy?Can you elaborate and das will verify.

This is rather as good news if it is true.So far Kala Afghana Sahib used to say that writer himself can not write his own name at start like Guru Gobind Singh Ji can not write Sri Mukhwak Patshahi Dasvin ,but some other could write that.So you are removing that error.

• Guru had time to write 404 chariters but no time to write even one word about Peer Buddhu Shah and his sons who sacrificed their lives for Guru Ji?

Tommorow you will ask that why did not Mata Gujri’s Sacrifise not mentioned by Guru.What about Bhai Vachitar Singh?

Das told your stone mind that peer Budhu Shah had casulities and true Army man prefer to talk more of harm to foe then talking about csaulity on own side.

Would you like to discuss a lot about harms evil govt did to our Gurudwara,Kala Afghan Sahib did talk such things when he says that Water of Amritsar can not be Amrit as mnay Singhs dead body were afloat in that,after opratio blue star.

• If chariters are written by Guru Ji, then why isn’t chariter katha even done in Gurudwaras?

It is done at Chavanis of Nihungs,Taksal and Hajuris but there also,there are very few who can understand the stuff and can even pronouce what is written in there.

There are mnay verse in Darbar Sahib,of which,it is not easy to explain and only expert can do.There is one verse of St. Kabeer ,which talks of death of many after one dies.Not all can do Katha or explantion.

• They are never even read. Why?

They are read and read in other countires also

• When Akhand Paath of dasam granth is performed, Chariters are read silently. Why if it is Gurbani?

Stoop lying and spreadin false propoganda.They are there and then read and soon you will have their online Path also avialble.

• Why isn’t a Hukamnama taken from chariters?

It is taken.you do not know,that’s the problem.

• What if hukamnama from chariters is taken and hukamnama says call for opium, weed, liquor, morphine, etc. Have a lot of intercourse with all types of women. Are you going to follow the order? Are you going to take drugs? Are you going to have intercourse with all types of women?

By your logic explantion of evil at start of Japu Ji Sahib are more to encourage bad and we read bad in morning daily.
ਅਸੰਖ ਮੂਰਖ ਅੰਧ ਘੋਰ ॥
असंख मूरख अंध घोर ॥
asaNkh moorakh anDh ghor.
Countless fools, blinded by ignorance.
ਅਸੰਖ ਚੋਰ ਹਰਾਮਖੋਰ ॥
असंख चोर हरामखोर ॥
asaNkh chor haraamkhor.
Countless thieves and embezzlers.
ਅਸੰਖ ਅਮਰ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਹਿ ਜੋਰ ॥
असंख अमर करि जाहि जोर ॥
asaNkh amar kar jaahi jor.
Countless impose their will by force.
ਅਸੰਖ ਗਲਵਢ ਹਤਿਆ ਕਮਾਹਿ ॥
असंख गलवढ हतिआ कमाहि ॥
asaNkh galvadh hati-aa kamaahi.
Countless cut-throats and ruthless killers.
ਅਸੰਖ ਪਾਪੀ ਪਾਪੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
असंख पापी पापु करि जाहि ॥
asaNkh paapee paap kar jaahi.
Countless sinners who keep on sinning.
ਅਸੰਖ ਕੂੜਿਆਰ ਕੂੜੇ ਫਿਰਾਹਿ ॥
असंख कूड़िआर कूड़े फिराहि ॥
asaNkh koorhi-aar koorhay firaahi.
Countless liars, wandering lost in their lies.
ਅਸੰਖ ਮਲੇਛ ਮਲੁ ਭਖਿ ਖਾਹਿ ॥
असंख मलेछ मलु भखि खाहि ॥
asaNkh malaychh mal bhakh khaahi.
Countless wretches, eating filth as their ration.
ਅਸੰਖ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਸਿਰਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਭਾਰੁ ॥
असंख निंदक सिरि करहि भारु ॥
asaNkh nindak sir karahi bhaar.
Countless slanderers, carrying the weight of their stupid mistakes on their heads.
ਨਾਨਕੁ ਨੀਚੁ ਕਹੈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
नानकु नीचु कहै वीचारु ॥
naanak neech kahai veechaar.
Nanak describes the state of the lowly.
ਵਾਰਿਆ ਨ ਜਾਵਾ ਏਕ ਵਾਰ ॥
वारिआ न जावा एक वार ॥
vaari-aa na jaavaa ayk vaar.
I cannot even once be a sacrifice to You.
ਜੋ ਤੁਧੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸਾਈ ਭਲੀ ਕਾਰ ॥
जो तुधु भावै साई भली कार ॥
jo tuDh bhaavai saa-ee bhalee kaar.
Whatever pleases You is the only good done,
Ang 4

Re: Answering the worng doubts aboout Bani onto Tenth Master

Gurfateh
Das is happy that all matter has come.By mercy of Akal das will try to answer more false propoganda or doubt if rissan.

Gurfateh

Das will today put some errata in what he wrote.

1.He wrote Vidhichand for Dheermal who forecably took Darbar Sahib from Ninth Master.

2.There is stroy of 16th Charitar which appears to be like that of 21st,22nd and 23rd and there is Prostitute over there,A King over there,A Mantra story and Bhang and all such things.

Das read it from book of Ambala Sahib and Kala Afghana Sahib that King(termed Raja also in the this stroy) is refered to Guru Sahib).

Das will tell over here that Kala Afghana Sahib say that King did not have sex only thinking that else he would have pimp or Prostitue in his offspring had he has sex.

But things do not end over here.He goes further to state ,that had condoms been there then he would have gone ahead.He writes that,this King is Guru.

The facts given by THe Khalsa Fauj Ji are also more then sufficinet that,that person can not be Guru.Yet there are four points which shows this kings simlarity with Guru.Das will take care of them.

But coing back to Kala Afghana Sahib JI.

Did not he knew?
1.In Holy Bible he we have stroy of a person,who while doiing intercourse,let his ejacoulation happen on ground(So no seman was transfered in women).This was the way of preventing pragnency in past.(Das confirmed this from our Drkhalsa Ji and Gurpreeet Singh Ji,but das has forgot the term used for that.If they read,they can put it.

2.In one interpretation of Islamic scritpure,we have Feamle being said as field to be toiled from front and back.So some say as per it Anal Sex is OK.And that is mentioned as Guda Bhog in Dasham Granth Sahib but more in terms of homosexaulity(A KIng wants to rape a lady,she sends a Wrestler,in guise of her,He {censored}s the king and king,feels ashamed and defeated).So Anal sex could have been done.Kala Afghana Sahib also terms Bhand as Dalla,Bhand is not pimp or Dalla but Bhand Mirasis are more jokers who come to enertain.Also sometime they play instrumnets while lady dancer dances.

Das hereby give four reasons.
1.King(termed bothas LOrd and King) lives on the banck of Satluj).
2.King has people coming to him and having wishes fullfilled.
3.King at last conceds to spread glory of his lord.
4.Good lot of simlarity with 21st,22nd and 23rd Charitars.

Dissmilirities
1.Name of Prostitue(Termed as Ram Jani ie God is only father(as no one know who is he father) are two but non is Anup Kaur.
2. She her self makes an attire of Harmit.
3.She does occult to win the king.In time when she wnated to meet him and after when he actualy comes to her.
4.She actualy calls people once and tells them that I just had a dream,while she does this to intimedate king.
5.King druhgs her and leaves 60 coins at her back.

But now only das could understand that this king also some schlors wants to say is Guru.But is it True?

Das will explain ,that why das thinks otherwise(to be continued..)

Gurfateh

At the end of 16th Chairtar doubt can come about two lines if they are in First persoan and who could be the speaker?

so dobuts could be 5 and das will adress them .

Then we have some more things to be discussed over here abut Charitars and how Kala Afghana Sahib describe them.

He qoutes that a person called Gyani as Gyani Naryan Singh says that Charitars are Chalitars (or bad charectors as Kala Afghana Sahib wants to interpret)and we should agree to them.

When Same Gyani Say that this Bani is of Tenth Master,then he is wrong but when he rtrys to talk of something which sutis Kala Afghana Sahib,it is OK.

Strange justice of Police officer.

So coming to point what does Charitar means?

If we read Charrector in English we find that it similar in apperance with word Charitar,reason could be both from Sanskrit.If we use Ch in Charectors as ch of change and not k of kill,then Charector will sound similar ot Charitras.

In Hindi and Sanskrit Charecterless is meant by Charitarheen ie Charitar(Charector) and Heen(less),and person with High moral Charector is called Charitarwan ie Charitar(Charector)Wan(posser).

So if some one calls Sirdar Sahib as Charitarwan,he may think that they are abusing him.

Charitar and charectors are same and may rather does not mean bad charectors.It is more a neutral term.(to be continued...)

Gurfateh

Das will end some doubts about 16 Charectors within some days.Akal Bless.

Note: It is poet soom sofi, not poet saam sofi. I apologize for the error. Sorry for the mistake.

“So das does the work by mercy of Bhagaouti.,who is Mahakal and who is Kalaka and who is Akal.
Chariter 20 78
You have drugged your self rather in ego and fear of Hindus.
It is from 21st,22nd and 23rd Chaectors.”
I don’t fear hindus. Why would I fear hindus? I fear Guru and Akaal and I fear the unseen soti (stick) of Akaal. Do you? Anyone saying tria chariters (koke shaster / kaama sutra / kaam shaster) isn’t Sikh and doesn’t fear Akaal at all. Not only that, in 1973, Akaal Takht made it clear that tria chariters isn’t work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. This was before the derawaala/rss influence on Akaal Takht. All day you talk about drugs and sexual stories and promote them yet you think you are preaching Gurmat. Wake up!
That chariter 20 and 78 thing is not related to anoop kuar story. That is some code I use to find some things. It has nothing to do with noop kuar.
Kal can’t = Akaal. These are opposite words. Just Mahakaal is just bigger kaal and can’t be Akaal. Even though poets shyam, raam and soom sufi think so along with poet kal.
Ashutosh is also bihari and he acts holy too but he has been exposed.
RSS agents promote caste system and divide people into caste system.
Vijaydeep, didn’t you make fun of juts on msn when you talked to me? You thought I believed in caste system but I didn’t. Sikhs don’t believe in caste system, know this well. Tria chariters also divide people into caste and divides people. Anyone promoting it is a promoter of caste system. No wonder nihungs have different Amrit for people belonging to different castes. Damdami Taksal also followed this practice until Kartar Singh became their Jathaydar. However, from recent reports, Akhara pind still follows this and gives leftover Amrit to lower castes. This is direct violation of Guru’s maryada and is direct opposition of the most fundamental principles of Gurmat if not the fundamental principle.

“If Gangu can come there inpersonatiin as good cook then why canot otheer people come.But where is term Prostitute been writtan even once?
Say if some lady tires to indulge in adulatry due to Pagan influence while entering as decent lady how can pure minded Sikhs imagine such thing.Just as they are not ******* like you.
At start of 21 Charitar lady is termed as wife of wealthy.So as per your logic all wives of wealth are protiture including mother of das.Well are your father also wealthy?”
Raamjani means prostitute (Chariter 16). How can pure Guru imagine being fooled by a prostitute?
“Na Oh Mrai Naa Thaagai Jaahay, Jin Kay Raam Vsai Mun Maahai”
So Guru doesn’t get fooled.
What is the star for? What are you trying to call me? Are you losing it? Send that word to me in personal message. Why are you putting statements into my mouth? Where did I say all rich women are prostitutes? Are you going to make you case properly or just confuse people and bash them? What is protiture? Never heard of that word. Someone who can’t even type properly is here to debate on big issues. Why do you care if my father is wealthy? You want money to join the right side? Wives of wealth doesn’t make sense either. When did wealth start having wives? My father won’t give you a penny. He isn’t corrupt and doesn’t indulge in corruption. He doesn’t take anyone’s money and neither does he give money as bribes. He never did it and the whole area around my village knows and everyone respects my dad. Do you have any jealousy issues with my dad? If you want to talk bachitter natak granth with him, send me you phone number. He will call you. Don’t blame me after that he was rude to you. He does have anger management problems. He can’t keep it under control. If you are brave, then postmail me your phone #. Next time have proper sentences and type properly or don’t post. Make your statements precise if you are so smart. I don’t like reading confusing words that don’t exist in the dictionary as I don’t like it and is a waste of time.

“There is no prositure but wife of rich who after entering Anandpur sahib wants to comit dualtray with Guru.If Pama or Parmanada can come in and think of wrong about Langer(as he finds its anti caste)and incite Hindu kings, so is not he more then lady trying to comit adultery.”
Sexual positions are described in many other chariters. Chariter followers should first read history and then chariters? A lot of things would be clear. Someone probably read some tria chariters and had a wet kuschee after which the person didn’t read any more. This is a different situation. This has to do with character defamation (note the spelling) of Guru Ji and has nothing to do with opposition of langer or nagara or whatever you want to link to it. Anyone participating in defamation of Guru’s character is not only a Panth dokhi but is an enemy of society and is not even a human; forget about being a Sikh.

“If Wahiguru is God and Bhauti is God then what why should not there be Manter in Gurmat.
Wahiguru is Gurmanter,Then we have Mool Mantra and as per Bhai Daya Sngh JI Beej Mantra is Sat Sri Akal.
In fact to utter disgusting false propogand by you.In 21st Character,Guru in order to get Mantra did Bhaguti Manana and not Mantra.That is a sort of request to Bhaguti.What is our Ardas?Prtham Bhagouti Simar Kai.”
Bhai Daya Singh rehatnama is not even 50% correct. It has a lot of flaws just like the 4 vedas. Do you even know what character means? It is chariter, not character. Don’t invent your own new definitions of words. Chundee Dee Vaar isn’t Gurbani either so I don’t know what you are on about. Didn’t you know already? Want to report me to Vedanti and get me summoned to Akaal Takht? Vedanti isn’t Akaal Takht jathaydaar, I don’t accept him as Jathaydaar or his buddies who issue hukamnamas against Panthic GurSikhs and give siropas to Panthic dushts. This isn’t false propaganda. I will translate chariter 16, 21, 22, 23 and post the real meaning without have corruption in mind to fool innocent GurSikhs. Why would the writer say Bhagauti? When Guru Ji left, Guru Ji said
Pooja Akaal Dee and not pooja bhagauti dee. It says there was a raja and uses third person. The quotes you posted have English translations which are not correct and it seems like it is 3rd person when it is Bhagat Namdev Ji talking about himself. There is no false propaganda; in fact, there is no propaganda at all. It is all about facts with me.

“This shows you lack in vocabulary,Mantra also means plan.Mantrana means consultation.Mantiri is a consular and final draft is Matta.Have you not heard of Gurmata.”
Lack of vocabulary? Hahaha! At least I don’t invent meanings. Hahaha! Why couldn’t the Guru consult with the jogi (woman) in Darbar? Why did it have to be at night? Maybe you didn’t know but the the jogi also says that with the blessing of Gorakhnaath, the raja won’t go empty handed. Therefore, mantar doesn’t mean consultation but the jantar mantar one. Then it says that the jogi asked raja to send out all the people in presence outside and bring dhoof (sandalwood wick?), deeva (wick lamp), chawal (rice), full (flowers) and good liquor. Then it says that the raja did as ordered. Would someone ever ask Guru to bring liquor when the Guru tells Sikh not to even think about drinking it? If this mantra wasn’t related to the tantar mantar one then what was the need for dhoof, deeva, rice and flowers? How stupid and low are the tria chariter promoters going to get to defame 10th Guru Nanak? I don’t know why these low life skunks are even sent to this planet. There is more to it which I won’t go through right now as the replies are going to be really long anyways. Related chariters will be talked about after. Only rare people have the bibek buddi to realize truth. Only those who really care about Panth and Guru get the real bibek budh. Not those who have personal agendas.

“Man in Guru Granth Sahib there are 74 times term Mantra comes.
Das brings in here only 30.”
Posting unrelated Gurbani quotes and going off topic will not make the statements any more credible. I already proved in the previous post what the word mantra means in that situation.

“When King Shiv Nabh send Harlots to Guru Nanak Dev Ji and he reformed them.Did not those Sri Lankend daughters of Guru had fearlessness beore meeting the Guru?
What about 400 Hundred Pathans who diteched Guru after staying with him.did they not have fear?When Akal wants bad time for sometime or wants to teach that person a lesson.All fear of good is lost in that.Same is happening to you.”
Guru Nanak Dev Ji reformed the dancers easily. It is said that the dancers stopped their misbehavior when they saw Guru Nanak’s. Why didn’t Guru Gobind Singh Ji use the same power to make the prostitute get to the right path? Those pathans weren’t Sikh and were after the money only. When the pathans were gone, they were gone. There should have been fear of God which they didn’t have. Here, it should have been fear of Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s shasters. Pathans thought hill rajas would back them up and they would win but they didn’t know how strong the Sikh army was. Too bad they lost. Why are you personally attacking me again? If you want to indulge in personal attacks, come back on msn like last time. On msn you initially said that poet raam, shyam, etc. were names pen names of Guru Ji but when I said it is hindu thing, you backtracked by saying that no, this is what some people say. This is how much truth you have. Looks like the bad times for Dasam Granth chelas are coming, won’t be long before they are kicked out of Gurudwaras and sent packing to their real locations, bollywood, or Hollywood, or some other {censored} khana place because Dasam Granth promoters are nothing but a bunch of kanjars.

“Did not Aurangzeb Had guts to ask Guru to convert to Islam.Sinner is also powerfull and viturus is power full when he defeats sinner.And you know that she was not successsfull.”
Aurangzeb never even talked to Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji, he was in south. Do you even know history? She was successful. She wanted money and she got the 60 coins+. At the start of the chariter it clearly says what the motive of the woman was. Chariter followes should read the chariters before they debate on them. Looks like the chariter followers only read the posted quotes and make up garbage to justify they are Gurmat. Gurmat is so cheap that any garbage can be linked to my Guru. Gurmat is priceless but what would a sarkaree agent know about it?

“Why did not Guru knew Gangu Pandit?Guru here also knew about her but whated to make a lesson for us.
Guru knew everything then why did he had faithn in false outght of cow and Kuran by Hindus and Muslimm indavders respectively?
He knew but he had to work Kautak.(acts to teach Sikhs lesson on world).”
Gangu was just a cook and he betrayed the Sahibzadas, Mata Ji and Guru Ghur. Guru Sahib knew it and it doesn’t harm the image of Guru Ji. It doesn’t defame Guru Ji but it promoted the greatness of Guru Ji and the sahibzadas and mata ji. It set an example for Sikhs to keep their Khalsa spirits. It was the Shaheedi of Sahibzadas and Guru Ji which enraged the Sikhs to destroy Sihund and take charge. It wasn’t hanuman chalisa or 24 avtar as RSS agents say. Guru Hargobind Singh Ji started the singing of Dhadi Vars to instill bir russ into Sikhs. Garbage like 24 avtars isn’t needed. That is work of poet Shyam anyways. As the opening of it stated “Burnutt Shyam Juthaa Mutt Bhaa-ee” meaning “Shyam states narrates the stories according to his knowledge/understanding.” The only lesson taught from tria chariters is women are evil and do bad things and should not be trusted. Sikhs had already learned not to get into other women by Guru Nanak and Bhai Gurdass’s vars make it clear. Don’t tell me tria chariters give better lesson the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. There is also something called Sikh rehat maryada which tells Sikhs what to do and what not to do. Character defamation can’t be accepted at kautak and neither can be {censored} poetry. If someone doesn’t believe me, just look at the situation of saad babas. They promote Dasam Granth and are the biggest kanjars and kaamis. Their bhoras aren’t made for bhugtee but to drag girls there and rape them. Don’t get mad at me and harass me, just read the newspapers and the person would understand.

“There is pricess in Bharatpur and MP of BJP called Krishendra Kaur.Kaur is word related to work and non Sikhs also use that.Term Koer and not Kaur is writtan for Anup Koer.But for you Tainka and Tatta are one and the same.”
What is pricess? I can’t find that word in dictionary. Did the writer mean prices? Doesn’t make sense. Tainka is t and tuttaa is q. Someone who doesn’t know how to properly read Punjabi or understand Punjabi (self admitted) is teaching me how to read Punjabi. Now biharis are going to teach Punjabis how to read Punjabi. What is the world coming to? I didn’t say there aren’t other kaurs. Where did I say other people can’t be kaurs? However, how do you know that the person isn’t trying to defame the Sikh Kaurs?

“Are you awawe that there is place near Vaishnu Devi called Adi Kuwari and in south as Kanya Kumari.Kumari means doughter.”
What is awawe? I have never seen that word in dictionary either. Kuare kuAir does mean kumari also but in Punjab people don’t have names like that. Kaur also means princess. So the lady can be a Sikh girl in chariters 21-23 but who knows what poet the poet means. It is not like the poet was a Sikh. Raam, Shyam, Kal or Soom aren’t Sikhs. Do you think I care about your vaishnu devi? She is just mythical like 24 avtar.

“No even a single time term came Anup Kaur.Term is noop Ku-ari to be pronounced as Noop Kuwari.”
True that it doesn’t come as Anoop Kaur but it is not Noop Ku-ari either. It is Noop Kuar. It is very important to learn to pronounce Gumukhi. Learning the alphabet isn’t good enough to pronounce Punjabi words.
Kuare kuAir does have 2 meanings:

• A girl under 5 years old
• A princess. (what is the last name of Sikh women?)

“But if a prostitute also becomes Amritdhari we have no problem.
Did not term prostitue come in Guru Granth Sahib?
Have look.Guru ranth Sahib Ji talked of reforming them too.”
I don’t accept prostitutes becoming Amritdhari. This is too much. Prostitute must live a good life as juttee jqI sutte for like 10-15 years before she can be called Amritdhari. Here I mean juttee jqI according to Gurmat and not according to brahmnical philosophy. When did I say Guru Granth Sahib Ji doesn’t talk about reforming bad people? RSS agents should be reformed too. So should be tria chariter followers. However, some pass the line and are too far to be reformed. Where did I say that the term prostitute doesn’t come in Guru Granth Sahib Ji? People should respect Guru Granth Sahib Ji and shouldn’t say “Guru ranth Sahib Ji”. Thirty points aren’t needed to prove a point. For me, one Gurbani tukh is enough. Proves that there is no need for tria chariters and there is no way it could have been written by Guru Ji, especially when the poets clearly identify themselves. I will post quotes later. Remind me if I don’t as I have a fairly busy schedule.

“Another non snese thing.
Listen son
You are helping your hindu family.Hindus can have name Anup Kumari(this not even a single time comes in any Charitar).
Why das says that you help hindus.Since times before Muslims came Hindus have tradtions of prostitues.They were refered as Ganika,Veshya etc.And such names are used in Guru Granth Sahib.There is mention of one Urdu name called {censored} also but in Punjabi that is meant by widow.
Other names are Tawaif and kidli.Das could not found a single in that character you are after ie 21 to 23.And lastly since the time before Muslims came to this date it is as per regious santity that Hindus have devdasis ie Prostitutes in temples.And they were mostly Muslim?”
What is non snese? Did the writer mean non sneeze? What does sneezing have to do with tria chariters? Is it abshagun? Gurmat doesn’t believe in sagans or absagans. I help everyone who asks for help. I think good for all in the world. World is in turmoil and will stay this way until Akaal does blessing. Of course hindus have prostitutes. That is why those types of people wrote tria chariters so they can pull the Sikhs to the same boat but it will not happen. Sikhs are waking up and will take charge when Akaal orders. Your knowledge on prostitutes doesn’t help promote kaam shaster as Guru written. It is still the work of soom, raam, shyam and kal. I not talking about prostitutes in mandirs. Mandirs have a tradition of having devdaasis. Mandirs in still have them. A lot of other ones were Muslim.

“And this lady is just at strart being mentioned as wife of wealthy?Are you blind?”
This is another direct attack to disrespect me. Where did I noup kuar was poor? Quote it. Why are two chariters being mixed up? Chariters 21-23 and 16 are different. They should not be fixed. If the difference between chariters can’t be hold by some people, how can they tell the difference between Gurbani and stories of corruption? Gurmat is about Guru and Akaal. Gurbanis connects the person to Akaal and brings peace of mind while tria chariters make all relationships in the world questionable. E.g. No one is willing to accept such garbage as tria chariters as Gurbani unless the person is anti-Panthic or uneducated.

“so scholar like you is great and wants world to move as you want.”
I want world to focus on Guru Granth Sahib Ji and discard anything which defames Guru Ji or questions the social structure of society. If Dasam Granth is read by everyone, say goodbye to all relationships in the world.

“Seeing Guru as per Gurbani is not the physical body but Guru over there is Akal.so seeing Guru is realsinsation of Truth.do you think that you show some bad person Guru Granth sahib and he will losse lust etc.?
Did not Pathan who stabbed Guru also seen physical form of Guru.Fact is that Guru is beyoond any form and Ten Master made us more towards that.
But you still go after phyiscal form and want to decide who is Sikh or who is not.Very well.”
Without understanding, nothing is gained. Understanding is the key. Did the woman understand? No she didn’t. She didn’t accept she was wrong so then there is issue (chariter 16). I am talking about the personality of the Guru and not the physical attributes. My mistake if I wasn’t clear. Pathan was just a gdaar like tria chariter promoters and had no gyan or dhyan. Without gyan and dhyan, the person is lost. Pathan was brainwashed by mullas just like Dasam Granth promoters brainwash their students. However, in Sikhi, both physical form and internal form must be inline with Gurbani. Guru has power to change the mind of people if wanted. E.g. Said Khan. Everyone has a weakness except Guru Ji. There are words which change even the worst of the worst. E.g. Guru Nanak Dev Ji changing Sajjan Thug, Kauda Bheel, etc.; Guru Aangad Dev Ji changing Hmaayu and others. Guru Gobind Singh Ji changing Said Khan, Dulla and then finally changing Aurangzeb. However, this woman talked back to Guru and had no honor. More flaws in these chariters will be exposed when translations are done. They will be done so Sikhs are no longer fooled by RSS propaganda.
Guru Ji says
“Saabat Soorat Dastaar Siraaa” so physical saroop is also important.

“1.Baba Srichand Ji as per you were not OK(das respects him).
2.Datu Ji were son of One Guru and kicked the succeeding Guru.
3.Baba Mohan also did not cooprate with Foruth Guru.
4.Then what about Prithwi chand?Did not Chandu also see the Guru and did not Jallad se him?
5.As we move further Bidhichand,did he not see the Guru?
6.By the way if we go by your logic just presetnig any bad man in front of Guru Granth Sahib JI,all will be reformed.
7.Then near Decca there were tow villages Guru told one to get uprooted as they were good people and they will spread good things and ,to bad guys Guru told to reamin settled.So did not those Bad guys swa Guru.”
Baba Siri Chund was not a Sikh. He started his own mutt. He didn’t stay much with Guru Nanak Dev Ji so he didn’t have the understanding. Datu was inflicted by ego and wanted to be Guru just like those labeled sants and brahmgyanis. They also want to be called Guru thus defame Guru Ji by linking Guru Ji to ******* poetry such as tria chariters. However, they know that if they directly claim to be Guru, they will be kicked out like narakdharis and kookas. Baba Mohan gave pothis to Guru Arjan Dev Ji as per some sakhis but it is not true. Bani was handed over to Guru from Guru. This is not true. These are just Sakhis made up. Prithvi was run by ego and had wanted to be Guru. As for jallad, jallad was just doing as ordered. He didn’t want to make Guru Ji Shaheed. He also killed Chundoo after, if you didn’t know. Chandu was a terrorist and was with jahagir. This is history and doesn’t defame Guru Ji but does praise of Guru Ji as it shows how Guru Ji didn’t fear, didn’t change Bani and didn’t bow to anti-Panthic forces to please them. This is totally different from tria chariters. If someone can’t tell the difference then there are personal issues to take care of. Dheermal was from Guru Khaandaan and wanted to be Guru so this is also a different case. He it does Guru Upma again as Guru Sahib recited Adi Granth Sahib from spiritual strength again. This does praise of Guru again. The bad people and good people story isn’t related in this situation. They didn’t see Guru because they didn’t have the understanding. It doesn’t fault the Guru. What can Guru do if the chela is blind? Gurbani says this. However, the chariter situation is different. It is defaming Guru Ji by saying Guru Ji got fooled by a woman full of lust. I don’t know all these points are related? It is a totally different situation. If tria chariter followers want to question Guru by saying Guru wasn’t all powerful, then that is their issue. It is unbelievable on how low the people are willing to do to promote tria chariters but if we think about it, it isn’t hard to understand. Thos who can link garbage written by shyam, raam, kal and soom to Guru Ji, they won’t have trouble attacking Guru Ji in other situations either. May Akaal give them some wisdom and understanding and show them the light of truth.

“It is not Jesus like thing where body is worshipped.The Guru when is seen is seen in all and is not in one body but in all bodies.”
Where is the quote where I said to worship the body? Am I worshipping the body or are those who say chariters are bani just because it says Paatshai 10 at the start. How hard is it to write Paatshahi 10 at the start of a book? Poets raam, shyam, kal and soom identify themselves and say we are the ones writing these then how does it come to be Guru Gobind Singh Ji?

“First rectify the figure.It is one by 125000 and you talk of 100000 so you are 25000 less.
so yuo wanted Guru to show miracle.Had he jhas to show,he would have done it in while staying at Chamkaur Garhi.”
That number is wrong too. 20,000 per month = 120,000 for 6 months. Guru Sahib doesn’t show miracles as they aren’t Gurmat but Guru still is the knower of all. Why would Guru go to place where his integrity would be attacked? Doesn’t make sense and as for miracle, making 40 fight against countless is a miracle. Escaping alive from the fortress while the attackers were challenged to catch Guru Ji was a miracle which people and cult followers fail to realize.

“Once Gurus camp was looted,And Sikhs asked him why this Bhana Happned?
Guru said 'that there is a power bigger then him and that controls all'.That defeat was way to let people know that not to worship Guru but Akal.”
When did I say worship Guru? This thread isn’t about Sakhis. Akaal is above all and no one needs to tell me that.

“But you may make an idol of Guru or treat Guru Granth Sahib Ji as idol whithout knowing Akal.Guru did say in Vachitar Natak that people trying to call him Primal god will go to hell.”
Those who just read Guru Granth Sahib Ji without understanding are doing idol worship. Bachitter natak isn’t Gurbani either. Document on this will come later. Bachitter natak is also full of flaws. E.g. No mention of Peer Buddu Shah but mention of Sango Shah, Peer Buddu Shah wasn’t martyred in the battle. He was given a lot of respect by Guru Ji and Guru Ji asked what he wished for and he was given what he wished for.

“But in story it is written that there in that place Lord was alone(he went there to meet Magan but a lady was there,Who said that if Lord does not commit Adultary,she will kill him or will shout.In both case there was to be charctor assination.In former case Lord did not want to kill a lonely lady,In second case ,it happened that she shouted and lord grabed her brother and befooled her followers who thought him to be a Thief.And her brother went to jail and Lord reached back safe and sound”
How was the lady going to kill Guru? Guru Ji could have taken away whatever she wanted to use to kill him. Guru Ji didn’t have to kill her. Did she have some automatic gun which she was going to use to kill Guru? Why was Guru fooling people? It says raja grabbed the beard of her brother, why is that part being skipped? It also says the turban was grabbed off from the brother’s head. Why was this poor guy put in trouble and shamed? Is this what the Guru did to others? So Guru acted as a thug? What happened to the teachings that never grab a person’s turban even if the person is enemy. Even the Sikhs in old times never attacked a turban or beard of a pathan or mughal who was fighting them. Guru forgot his own teaching? Where did the woman suddenly get sewaks with weapons? Was she a leader of a group? Woman had her brother in town but where was her husband? Didn’t the servants know who Guru Gobind Singh Ji was? Even the enemies respected character of Sikhs and had to call Sikhs lions to show respect. In tria chariters, their Guru’s character is put in question in a city established by Guru Tegh Bahadur and nourished by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. How many servants did she have? 3? 5? Were they hard to handle for Guru Ji? There are more flaws they will be talked about later with translations of these chariters.

“Wait there man it seems that you are paranoid and *******ed.Term Pani Pamri is written that means rich footwear.Term Panhi comes only when that lady is summoned in the court.And Panhi means blanket.As we have to fight and run both footwears like Chappel and blanket are not handy.As you may never have fought and if you want you can wear them and see how good could you fight ,Lord,when lady shouted, leaft shoe and blanket and them made her brother get cought by her own men.It was only after when Lord refuse to commit Adultary then she wanted to trap lord,then in order to face dangers handly did lord removed hindrances.
did not Guru use to put gold in arrow to kill enemy so that with mony of that arrow enmy fmaily can get funaral done?”
What is that word which has been starred? Can it be post mailed or emailed to me? It is not pani (water), it is pnee (footwear). Paamree is blanket. There was no running in this chariter. It says it was forgotten. When did Guru start forgetting? Last time I read Guru Granth Sahib Ji, it said that Guru and Kartar don’t make mistakes. When the brother was already labeled as the thief and sent to jail, then what was the need to run? Who was going to fight? Why were those items taken to woman if they weren’t to be used? Guru made mistake?

“It is state of seeing Akal in all and not the seeig of Phyiscal body.Do not you think that Baba Maan Singh Of Pehva saw and read Guru Granth Sahib?”
Mann Pehova doesn’t sing Gurbani. He sings kuchee bani and loots people. He doesn’t even follow Guru Granth Sahib Ji it is same and never reading. He doesn’t even follow the first concept which is kirat kurna. Not only that, his rapes are the result of tria chariters. He read most of the tricks in Dasam Granth. He isn’t the only one. More saad baabas are exposed daily and some went unexposed but Akaal knows all.

“How dare did a prostitute threaten Guru Ji?
Did not Hindu Kings and Moghuls also threatened Guru and they were worse then prostitues.
Did not Sodi of Kartarpur said bad words for Guru.What about Brahmins of Kurukshetras?They also said wrong things to Guru?
Anyone who is to go for wrong time gets non sense mind and say wrong things to Guru like you are doing.”
Hindu rajas and mughals had armies, weapons and cannons. They didn’t threaten Guru Ji face to face. They talked smack in the back just like general from Delhi. These guys don’t even have the guts to come in front of Guru face to face and lay a challenge. She wasn’t a soldier. If it was a soldier, then it is a different situation as fighting skills drive ego to the top. What did a prostitute have to back her up? What fighting skills did she have? Sodis were again family members of Guru and were descendents of Guru family and did have firepower. Brahmans were high in number but they were shamed and accepted their faults. I like to hear facts. Those who follow and promote tria chariters are in their bad times and don’t realize the truth. They are lost and guided by maya. Their personal agendas and motives will only ruin their reputation and tria chariters will never ever be accepted as work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji because it isn’t.

“Lord went to know about Plan and he knew that Magan a man will be there,who came on behest of lady.
Even if we deem it spell,Going of lord was more in line of First Maste goig to
1.Haridwar to expose superstition
2.To Kalijug Panda to remove myth about miracle he was showing.
3.To Jaggananth to expose myth about Arti.
4.to Mecca,to expose that God is not restricted to any direction.
He did not go there to worship.Anyway after reading this text of Charitrano one will belive in going to learn Mantra from anybody.So purpose of Charitar is done.”
This statement of learning plan is more jokes than Mr. Bean. What plan? Why does Guru need to learn plans? Doesn’t Guru know anything? Isn’t Guru sumruth (all powerful?). If it wasn’t to learn mantar, then why was it given importance? When did this happen? What is charitrano? Is it an Italian word? What is purpose of this chariter? Give money to a prostitute? Grab beards of innocent people? Beat up innocent people?

“Akal ill reborn you as a Hindu and then you will speak lies as per your faith.In Charitars 21 to 23rd it is not at all written.And do tell otherwise where it is written?”
Did I say that 60 coins is written in chariters 21-23? It is written in chariter 16. RSS and derawalas are hindufied and make a living from lies. The number of lies aren’t even countable. Another lie is made to cover up previous one. Wise people are the ones who accept mistakes and move on. As long there is corruption in the mind, the person can never be true to Guru. If the person can’t be true to Guru, the person can’t be true to Akaal thus the person can’t get liberation.

“That lady tried to spread disinfo about lord.Lord preempted this by saying that his stuff is lost and any Sikh who retrive it will get no death coming near to him.That may mean teqaching of Weapoanry or Gurmat teaching.It may not mean salvation as you write.”
Guru Sahib gave Gurmat and weapon training to all Sikhs regardless of anything. Weapon training doesn’t protect anyone from death. Gurmat does however. Kaal means time or death. Both of which can’t be God. God is beyond both and is thus Akaal.

“No Sikhs,who got hold of Lady had along side bought the items as proof of her stealing from Lord.Do not tell lies.Lord ordered them to do so.That happened when lord came to know from Sikhs about her having a defomation campaign.”
Where is the lie? What was so special about those shoes and shawl that Guru Ji wanted to end someone’s cycle of birth and death for that shawl and that pair of shoes? When the woman was brought, weren’t the items brought with her? This is what the chariter says. Raja told the followers to find the culprit and it says that the followers couldn’t resist and told who it was. There are two points to note here:

• If the raja knew, then why didn’t the raja just tell the followers to retrieve it from the place?
• Since the raja knew, why did the raja ask lie? What was the need to lie here?

“do yuo know that Guru used to give medicine via Bhai Ghannaya to people who were injuiered even from opponent side.So you can ask how and why for that also?Hard eaerned mony of Sikhs been givne to those who came to kill Sikhs?”
What about Gurus putting gold in arrow so that kins to victum of that arrow get his funral done by that Gold.”
Giving medicine to serve humanity is different from giving money to prostitutes. Wasn’t noup kuar rich anyways? Why was money given to her? A lot of the soldiers who came to fight Guru Ji didn’t fight because they wanted to fight but because it was their duty. Guru Ji attached the gold so the sanskar could be done properly. Sanskars were mostly done by undertakers who had no relations to the army guys. Mughals left their dead bodies to rot. Undertaker needs to feed family too so Guru Ji gave it as a pay for hard work. These aren’t Singhs mentioned in tria chariters who are shows as stupid and dumb and dysfunctional. This is Babbars Akalis here who use the brain to prevent munmutt from coming into Sikhi.

“When she was indoctrionated( into good faith),as in inscentive,for doing good even to bad, Lord gave him expenditure of six month packed.”
What good faith was she trained into? Prostitute never agreed and raja just ran while she was drugged up. As for Noup Kuar, she agreed not to fool around with Guru but what about the others? Wasn’t Noup Kuar already rich? What was the need to give her money? All it does is promotes lusty ladies to use Guru Ghur was a place of money collection.

“Is there no verse in Guru Granth Sahib,which is in past tense?And should same logic of your be applied over there? Whichy tense is this?”
Tukhs related to Guru Hargobind Sahib are past tense because it is an event of the past. I am not talking about the event but the location and Guru. It says there was a raja. There was a place called Anadpur (meaning after the destruction). You can’t even type proper English and are from Bihar. What would you know about Punjab and tenses and Gurmukhi? All you do is make person attacks and try to act clever.
Gurbani says “Sahas Sianpaa Lukh Hoahey Taa Ik Naa Chullay Naal”
So leave the cleverness and realize the truth.

“If I and me work here then why are they not working in 71st Charitar or say discourse over as in 21st one?
Have you got something or not?
All bani is work of Akal and there is no pattern of first,secod or third being fixed.”
What is the post about here? Is it about the use of third person and first person? This is because the tria chariters are flawed. The writers are inconsistent and don’t even know what they are talking about. You can ask the sodak committee about this. They are the ones who mixed up the writings of the poets.

“Why there is third person over here?
Ang 1165 and 1166”
sultaan poochhai sun bay naamaa.
The Sultan said, "Listen, Naam Dayv:
daykh-a-u raam tumHaaray kaamaa. ||1||
let me see the actions of your Lord."||1||
naamaa sultaanay baaDhilaa.
The Sultan arrested Naam Dayv,
daykh-a-u tayraa har beethulaa. ||1|| rahaa-o.
and said, "Let me see your Beloved Lord."||1||Pause||
bismil ga-oo dayh jeevaa-ay.
Bring this dead cow back to life.
naatar gardan maara-o thaaN-ay. ||2||
Otherwise, I shall cut off your head here and now."||2||
baadisaah aisee ki-o ho-ay.
Naam Dayv answered, "O king, how can this happen?
bismil kee-aa na jeevai ko-ay. ||3||
No one can bring the dead back to life. ||3||
This is not third person. It is still first person. Gurmukhi understanding is needed to realize that this is not third person.

“Are you made or fool or too much clever who tells so much of lies?
Das gives word to word tranalation of Charectors 21,22,23 and 71 and there term Rai is used and not Raja,where is term Raj used other that and that also for Guru?Tell it?
And Rai means Lord and not the King.So term Rai is used for Akal.Ham Ghar Ram Rai..
Mere Ram Rai.”
This is again more jokes than Mr. Bean. How did Rai become Akaal? Akaal Purakh came into body and was participating in tria chariters? Weird. I request Gurbani tukhs must not be misused to confuse and act smart with those who don’t know much about Gurmat Gyan. Those who do will not be fooled. Even if the word Rai is translated as Gobind Rai, it is still the same situation and has same meaning. Do chariter followers know what Akaal means? Akaal can’t have chariters and can’t be physical. Proper aarth of mool mantar must be learnt.

“So Akal can not be termed as Rai.Wait.
You want to question that Sixth Master gave Guruship to his grand son with namr Har Rai.Was not name of Tenth Master also Gobind Rai, Before he became Singh?
So who so ever gave surname Rai,to Gurus,were not OK as per you”
Where did I say it was not okay to have Rai as a last name? Once again this has nothing to do with Akaal. Looks like tria chariter promoters are losing it.

“You are lier.Sikhs on order of Lord borugght the thief lady with items which were as per lord were stolen.
Sikhs got hold of a lady,who was wofe of wealthy and who was accused of stealing the stuff of the lord.”
Once again, there is no lie as I made my intention clear. Items were with the lady. They were brought back with her when she was brought to Rai (raja) as per the story. Why was she accused of stealing when she didn’t? Sikhs are free to make false accusations to people on something they didn’t do and defame them? I ask the admin, is it okay to launch direct personal attacks on people? Guru did it in Dasam Granth so can we do on your website too? Guru Sahib said something and did something. Weird!

“Lord in the story did not Go to women,But was cold by man called Magan(agent of Lady).Had Lord was easy to go to Lady she should have come her self calling him in night.Lord Saw lady only after he entered the camp.and became thoughtfull.”
Magan as per the story is a Sikh of Guru. He lied to Guru? Is the story saying that Sikhs have been cheating with Guru since Guru Ji’s times? Gangu wasn’t Sikh so he didn’t belong but what about Magan? What punishment was he given? He was reason for all the trouble. A sikh had not shame in lying to Guru? Didn’t Guru know the Sikh is lying? Didn’t the Guru think before agreeing to go to learn mantar at night? Once again, why was Magan linking Guru to a woman wanting to fulfill lust? If Guru was to help the lady get to right path, then why didn’t the Guru just go to her? What was the need for Magan? Why was he surprised to see the woman then? Think about it. There is still time for tria chariter followers to join the Panthic side and realize the truth but it looks like that time is running out.

“No it is written that people came,who were followers of lady.Lord held her brother,made him uncontious with muthahiri,If you want to have taste of it,Das can help you.And then by that time Lord’s Sikh took her borther to jail or Lord.Lord reached back to his home safely.”
I already discussed this before. Don’t want to waste time saying the same thing again. What does or mean? Is there confusion? If the person debating is confused then why is the person debating? Are threats being made here? If yes, they don’t bother me. In one ear and out the other.

“As you blames other for that,may be you are such type o prostitues visiters obsessed by *****s.She is writan as wife of rich man and who call her protitute?Strange?”
How hard is to pick up a newspaper and see the kartoots (misdeeds) of so called Sants and/or Brahmgyanis. How many times are they exposed? Someone who has worked at Akaal Takht and read complaints of innocent girls would know how bad these tria charier promoters are. Girls are constantly raped and molested. Even young boys aren’t spared. Why do these guys have so much lust? One reason, Dasam Granth promoters.

“”Aren’t you disrespecting Guru Ji in countless ways by saying these chariters are written by Guru Ji?””
“People disrecpect Akal by un having faith and spreading lies about Charectors.”
So it is okay to disrespect Guru Ji by linking him to tria chariters which are written by raam, shyam, soom and kal? This is also a copyright violation of those poets and their descendents can take the chariter promoters to courts. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Most people are naastiks due to literature like tria chariters.

“Do you knw that there are mnay names for Guru Granth Sahib.
Adi Granth.Darbar Sahib,Guru Granth Saib,Adi Guru Darbar.
One version is refere by Gyani Gyan Singh JI as one of Tenth Master.So as per your logic some one can talk ill of our Eternal Guru.”
Adi Granth was name before GuruShip and Guru Granth Sahib is the current name. Adi Guru Darbar doesn’t make sense and is made up by Dasam Granth and sarbloh granth chelas to promote their 2 granths. It is also called Dasam Paatshah Kaa Granth because final changes were done by 10th paatshah. This is flawed logic because names weren’t changed. They were just used to describe Baba ji.

“Das wil give you thre versions of Guru Granth Sahib JI.
1.Mithi Beerh(of Kartarpur Sahib)
2.Khari or Bhai Bannu Wali Beerh(of Kanpur)
3.Damdami Beerh(our present Guru).”
So Bhai Mani Singh version is only respected copy of Dasham Granth Sahib.”

Kartarpuri Bir doesn’t have Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji’s bani and isn’t GuruShip holder. Khari Beer was rejected right away and has nothing to do with Gurbani. Gurbani is the same in that bir also. It is just that some things are added to that Bir, which aren’t correct. Bhai Mani Singh Bir doesn’t have a lot of the things you promote. It isn’t authentic either. Therefore, there are issues. It wasn’t called Dasam Granth. If you look at old ones, it says bachitter natak granth and not Dasam Granth.

“This is rather as good news if it is true.So far Kala Afghana Sahib used to say that writer himself can not write his own name at start like Guru Gobind Singh Ji can not write Sri Mukhwak Patshahi Dasvin ,but some other could write that.So you are removing that error.”
Guru Gobind Singh Ji didn’t write Dasam Granth. The writers put Mukhwak Paatshahi 10 say that this is written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Have you ever read Malcolm? Read it and you will be clear about Dasam Granth.

“Tommorow you will ask that why did not Mata Gujri’s Sacrifise not mentioned by Guru.What about Bhai Vachitar Singh? Das told your stone mind that peer Budhu Shah had casulities and true Army man prefer to talk more of harm to foe then talking about csaulity on own side.”
Yea, why weren’t they mentioned? Why was Sangho Shah mentioned? Why was Kirpal Dass Udasi mentioned? Why was arrow piercing mentioned? There is just one reason why Peer Ji isn’t mentioned and that is because he was Muslim. This casualty statement doesn’t hold much weight because in Khalsa Panth, dying for good cause is the best. Peer Buddu Shah wasn’t Shaheed anyways. So he was still alive. It is very easy to label others stone mind or whatever. Khalsa army was always different from other armies. Others can’t be compared to Khalsa. Singhs never did exercise or parade. Sikh history is all about sacrifices and greatness of them. What is greater than Peer Buddu Shah coming to fight? It is an honor and not disrespect.

“Would you like to discuss a lot about harms evil govt did to our Gurudwara,Kala Afghan Sahib did talk such things when he says that Water of Amritsar can not be Amrit as mnay Singhs dead body were afloat in that,after opratio blue star.”
I would discuss but not in this thread. Don’t take this thread off topic.

“It is done at Chavanis of Nihungs,Taksal and Hajuris but there also,there are very few who can understand the stuff and can even pronouce what is written in there.
There are mnay verse in Darbar Sahib,of which,it is not easy to explain and only expert can do.There is one verse of St. Kabeer ,which talks of death of many after one dies.Not all can do Katha or explantion.”
Nihungs are just a bunch of criminals and don’t have a clue what they are talking about. Most of them are from criminal backgrounds and became nihungs to escape police. If you don’t believe me, then check their records. Professionals trained can do katha of hard verses also. Taksal doesn’t allow bibis to Mehta Chownk to get santhya of Dasam Granth from what I checked last time. Don’t know about now. Nihungs are the same people who say Sikhs can shave hair around private parts and say it is okay to take drugs. They also don’t mind sex with others. They basically do all the kurehits except hahal. Hajur and Patna has hindu maryada anyways and are under control of RSS. You can talk about Taksal in the Taksal thread.

“They are read and read in other countires also”
They might be read in front of men only but not in Sangat with everyone sitting there. How come they aren’t read at Akaal Takht or Darbar Sahib?

“Stoop lying and spreadin false propoganda.They are there and then read and soon you will have their online Path also avialble. It is taken.you do not know,that’s the problem.”
We will see when the path comes online. There is no lying or false propaganda. Ask anyone who has gone to hajur or patna. Everyone knows what they do and how they do.

“By your logic explantion of evil at start of Japu Ji Sahib are more to encourage bad and we read bad in morning daily.”
Do you even know how hukamnama is taken? Do you know what that pauri means but this topic isn’t about aarth of Japuji Sahib so it shouldn’t be discussed here. Once again, false allegations are being made. Where did Japuji Sahib come from? Who is the low enough to compare Japuji Sahib to garbage like tria chariters.

“”What is the purpose of tria chariters? Why were they written?””
“There are mnay reasons a few
1.To let Sikhs know that there could be sin benath pous looking Hindus or Muslims.
2.To send Decoded message which Sikh can only understand and non Sikhs should not even have imagination that it could be a work of Guru.”
Are all Sikhs good? Are all Hindus bad? Are all Muslims bad? Plus, what does it have to do with Muslims or Hindus? It is tria chariters. Not Muslim or Hindu chariters. Many stories are between Hindus and Muslims. What does that have to do with Sikhism? It has absolutely nothing to do with Gurmat. Not only that, a lot of the chariters aren’t tria chariters. Many are incomplete. The total isn’t 404 or 405 either as at many places, a chariter is divided into two small ones for no reason. Poet says this is the 16th story while the count says it is 17th. Looks like the writers and compilers didn’t know how to count. What does a brother and sister having sex got to do with Sikhism? How about mother and son or father and daughter having sex got to do with Sikhism? All these stories do is make social relationships questionable. This is part of a master plan and it links to 24th avtar of 24 avtars. This is to ruin the identity of Sikhs. These immoral stories have absolutely nothing to do with Sikhism and must be sent to trash or recycle bin as soon as possible.

““Why do they waste almost half of bachitter natak granth?””
“It is not a waste.”
How do the chariter promoters know that it is not a waste? How do chariters connect me to Akaal? The fact is that they don’t even connect me to Guru, forget about connecting to God. Tria chariters also put the character of women into question. Do the chariter followers question their own wives? My bad! Haha! They don’t get married and rely on women of others to fulfill their lust.

Gr kI nwir iqAwgY AMDw] pr nwrI isau GwlY DMDw]
Ghur Kee Naar Tiagai Undaa, Purr Narree Sei Ghaalai Dhundaa
The blind forsakes own wife and looks to indulge in wrong activity with other women. E.g. Predators like Maan Pehova, Shamsher Jagera and many others. This is also true or military guys e.g. from America, India, Pakistan and other countries.

To indulge in sexual activity with another’s wife is bujjar kurehit or cardinal wrong and the person no longer remains a Sikh. Same rule applies to the one who cuts hair or takes intoxicants or eats halal.

“”Are poet shyam, kal, saam soofi, and raam your Gurus?””
“Kal,Ram and Shyams are name for Akal and so is name Mahakal,This tells that this is work of Akal and not human.There is no other Guru but Akal.Where is Saam Soofi writtan? Saam has some meaning in Arebic and Sufi has some meaning in Farsi.”
How did poets become Akaal? Are the chariter followers thinking alright? Raam derived from Ramaya meaning absorbed everywhere is used for Raam. Not poet Raam. In Gurbani, there is no direct use of word Shyam to mean God. It has been “Syam Sundar” basically. Even if we accept Syam to mean God in Dasam Granth, the aarths of those lines won’t make sense as God doesn’t write poetry. God is Akaal and isn’t like Mahakal with physical characteristics. God also isn’t an alcohol drinker like Mahakal or followers of Mahakal. Tria chariters make it clear that a Sikh of Mahakal drinks liquor. The word poet comes before Syam, Raam, etc. many times. These will be proven later in a different article about the poets identifying themselves. These articles might take half a year to arrive due to busy schedule. No promises are being made here to have the articles up anytime soon.

““What if tria chariter are thrown in the garbage or burned? Is it paap?””
“If you want you can do it,In Gurmat,there is nothing Pap or Punya.Later on you can say that as Sinfull Raagmala is part of Darbar Sahib,whole should follow the same fate?”
I said tria chariters thrown in the garbage. Not everything in Dasam Granth. It shows the lack of faith in Guru and the motive is only to promote Dasam Granth and anything is acceptable to do so; even if it is attack on Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Raagmaala can be talked about in a separate Raagmaala thread. This is about Dasam Granth here. Lets put paap and punya aside. There is definitely wrong and right in Gurmat. If no, then there is no need for rehat or anything else. Why do RSS agents keep attacking Guru Granth Sahib Ji? They don’t want to use Guru Granth Sahib Ji because their mission is to promote Sarbloh Granth and Dasam Granth to the status of being Guru. These plans will not pass and will fail again like they failed at the start of early 20th century.

““Were Sikhs reading tria chariters before bachitter natak granth got created?””
“Were Sikhs reading Bani of Ninth Master when Fist Master complied Guru Granth Sahib Ji ?”
First master never compiled Guru Granth Sahib Ji. This is a lie. When 9th master was Guru, Sikhs read his bani and his bani is included in Guru Granth Sahib Ji so there is no issue. 9th master was 9th Nanak so his bani is same as that of Guru Nanak so this is just another attack on 10 Paatshahis and Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Tria chariters are no where close to being writings of Guru Sahib so then how can they be compared to beautiful Sloaks of 9th Nanak or beautiful Shabads of 9th Nanak. The 10th form of Nanak would not go against previous nine and change everything the first 9 Nanaks stood for. RSS promoters want Sikhs to believe that 10th Nanak was different from first 9.

“”Why do they say that even God is regretting after creating women?””
“Bidhna is Brahma and he wanted to marry own doughter.Brahma is not God.”
Brahma wanting to marry daughter has nothing to do with those tria chariters. Brahma (so called devta) didn’t make women either. God made women so unless the writer is promoting Hindu philosophy, Bidna meaning Vidaata meaning God is the creator of women. There is no question. Otherwise, what does a Brahma (devta) creating woman have to do with Gurmat? There was no need to write it there then. Sikhs don’t care what Brahma thought about women and didn’t have to be told every so often.