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Agree with you Gyani ji. However, the example you give is an extreme case and clear to all that the person involved is no longer a Sikh. I also saw part of the Sikh Channel debate. The discussion was not so much around extreme cases but everyday cases. The judgement of who is Sikh and who is not in such cases seems to be made on birth/ethnicity not actions and that is where I struggle to understand attitudes in the community. Such scenarios cannot be ignored as the incidence will increase. Is there a practical solution that does not discriminate on the basis of birth or otherwise into a Sikh family? I do not know