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All some people can do is to spoil the threads by their foolish arguements. Can you start a new thread on this. You are an amritdhari sikh. may i ask you what advice was given by panj piaras to you on Gurmantra? What banis you read in Nitnem. Don't ignore these questions like a kabootar. This is not necessary. Debate issues please. aad0002  Reply to them

You talk of Bhai gurdas ji di vaar. have you read

Waheguru Gurmantar hai

Jap haume khoi

( Waheguru is gurmantra

  By contemplating on that one loses ego)