“Would you like to discuss a lot about harms evil govt did to our Gurudwara,Kala Afghan Sahib did talk such things when he says that Water of Amritsar can not be Amrit as mnay Singhs dead body were afloat in that,after opratio blue star.”
I would discuss but not in this thread. Don’t take this thread off topic.
“It is done at Chavanis of Nihungs,Taksal and Hajuris but there also,there are very few who can understand the stuff and can even pronouce what is written in there.
There are mnay verse in Darbar Sahib,of which,it is not easy to explain and only expert can do.There is one verse of St. Kabeer ,which talks of death of many after one dies.Not all can do Katha or explantion.”
Nihungs are just a bunch of criminals and don’t have a clue what they are talking about. Most of them are from criminal backgrounds and became nihungs to escape police. If you don’t believe me, then check their records. Professionals trained can do katha of hard verses also. Taksal doesn’t allow bibis to Mehta Chownk to get santhya of Dasam Granth from what I checked last time. Don’t know about now. Nihungs are the same people who say Sikhs can shave hair around private parts and say it is okay to take drugs. They also don’t mind sex with others. They basically do all the kurehits except hahal. Hajur and Patna has hindu maryada anyways and are under control of RSS. You can talk about Taksal in the Taksal thread.
“They are read and read in other countires also”
They might be read in front of men only but not in Sangat with everyone sitting there. How come they aren’t read at Akaal Takht or Darbar Sahib?
“Stoop lying and spreadin false propoganda.They are there and then read and soon you will have their online Path also avialble. It is taken.you do not know,that’s the problem.”
We will see when the path comes online. There is no lying or false propaganda. Ask anyone who has gone to hajur or patna. Everyone knows what they do and how they do.
“By your logic explantion of evil at start of Japu Ji Sahib are more to encourage bad and we read bad in morning daily.”
Do you even know how hukamnama is taken? Do you know what that pauri means but this topic isn’t about aarth of Japuji Sahib so it shouldn’t be discussed here. Once again, false allegations are being made. Where did Japuji Sahib come from? Who is the low enough to compare Japuji Sahib to garbage like tria chariters.
“”What is the purpose of tria chariters? Why were they written?””
“There are mnay reasons a few
1.To let Sikhs know that there could be sin benath pous looking Hindus or Muslims.
2.To send Decoded message which Sikh can only understand and non Sikhs should not even have imagination that it could be a work of Guru.”
Are all Sikhs good? Are all Hindus bad? Are all Muslims bad? Plus, what does it have to do with Muslims or Hindus? It is tria chariters. Not Muslim or Hindu chariters. Many stories are between Hindus and Muslims. What does that have to do with Sikhism? It has absolutely nothing to do with Gurmat. Not only that, a lot of the chariters aren’t tria chariters. Many are incomplete. The total isn’t 404 or 405 either as at many places, a chariter is divided into two small ones for no reason. Poet says this is the 16th story while the count says it is 17th. Looks like the writers and compilers didn’t know how to count. What does a brother and sister having sex got to do with Sikhism? How about mother and son or father and daughter having sex got to do with Sikhism? All these stories do is make social relationships questionable. This is part of a master plan and it links to 24th avtar of 24 avtars. This is to ruin the identity of Sikhs. These immoral stories have absolutely nothing to do with Sikhism and must be sent to trash or recycle bin as soon as possible.
““Why do they waste almost half of bachitter natak granth?””
“It is not a waste.”
How do the chariter promoters know that it is not a waste? How do chariters connect me to Akaal? The fact is that they don’t even connect me to Guru, forget about connecting to God. Tria chariters also put the character of women into question. Do the chariter followers question their own wives? My bad! Haha! They don’t get married and rely on women of others to fulfill their lust.
Gr kI nwir iqAwgY AMDw] pr nwrI isau GwlY DMDw]
Ghur Kee Naar Tiagai Undaa, Purr Narree Sei Ghaalai Dhundaa
The blind forsakes own wife and looks to indulge in wrong activity with other women. E.g. Predators like Maan Pehova, Shamsher Jagera and many others. This is also true or military guys e.g. from America, India, Pakistan and other countries.
To indulge in sexual activity with another’s wife is bujjar kurehit or cardinal wrong and the person no longer remains a Sikh. Same rule applies to the one who cuts hair or takes intoxicants or eats halal.
“”Are poet shyam, kal, saam soofi, and raam your Gurus?””
“Kal,Ram and Shyams are name for Akal and so is name Mahakal,This tells that this is work of Akal and not human.There is no other Guru but Akal.Where is Saam Soofi writtan? Saam has some meaning in Arebic and Sufi has some meaning in Farsi.”
How did poets become Akaal? Are the chariter followers thinking alright? Raam derived from Ramaya meaning absorbed everywhere is used for Raam. Not poet Raam. In Gurbani, there is no direct use of word Shyam to mean God. It has been “Syam Sundar” basically. Even if we accept Syam to mean God in Dasam Granth, the aarths of those lines won’t make sense as God doesn’t write poetry. God is Akaal and isn’t like Mahakal with physical characteristics. God also isn’t an alcohol drinker like Mahakal or followers of Mahakal. Tria chariters make it clear that a Sikh of Mahakal drinks liquor. The word poet comes before Syam, Raam, etc. many times. These will be proven later in a different article about the poets identifying themselves. These articles might take half a year to arrive due to busy schedule. No promises are being made here to have the articles up anytime soon.
““What if tria chariter are thrown in the garbage or burned? Is it paap?””
“If you want you can do it,In Gurmat,there is nothing Pap or Punya.Later on you can say that as Sinfull Raagmala is part of Darbar Sahib,whole should follow the same fate?”
I said tria chariters thrown in the garbage. Not everything in Dasam Granth. It shows the lack of faith in Guru and the motive is only to promote Dasam Granth and anything is acceptable to do so; even if it is attack on Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Raagmaala can be talked about in a separate Raagmaala thread. This is about Dasam Granth here. Lets put paap and punya aside. There is definitely wrong and right in Gurmat. If no, then there is no need for rehat or anything else. Why do RSS agents keep attacking Guru Granth Sahib Ji? They don’t want to use Guru Granth Sahib Ji because their mission is to promote Sarbloh Granth and Dasam Granth to the status of being Guru. These plans will not pass and will fail again like they failed at the start of early 20th century.
““Were Sikhs reading tria chariters before bachitter natak granth got created?””
“Were Sikhs reading Bani of Ninth Master when Fist Master complied Guru Granth Sahib Ji ?”
First master never compiled Guru Granth Sahib Ji. This is a lie. When 9th master was Guru, Sikhs read his bani and his bani is included in Guru Granth Sahib Ji so there is no issue. 9th master was 9th Nanak so his bani is same as that of Guru Nanak so this is just another attack on 10 Paatshahis and Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Tria chariters are no where close to being writings of Guru Sahib so then how can they be compared to beautiful Sloaks of 9th Nanak or beautiful Shabads of 9th Nanak. The 10th form of Nanak would not go against previous nine and change everything the first 9 Nanaks stood for. RSS promoters want Sikhs to believe that 10th Nanak was different from first 9.
“”Why do they say that even God is regretting after creating women?””
“Bidhna is Brahma and he wanted to marry own doughter.Brahma is not God.”
Brahma wanting to marry daughter has nothing to do with those tria chariters. Brahma (so called devta) didn’t make women either. God made women so unless the writer is promoting Hindu philosophy, Bidna meaning Vidaata meaning God is the creator of women. There is no question. Otherwise, what does a Brahma (devta) creating woman have to do with Gurmat? There was no need to write it there then. Sikhs don’t care what Brahma thought about women and didn’t have to be told every so often.
