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muddymick ji thanks for your reply and succinct style. I have some comments.
Guru ji give us guidance that the most positive path to accumulating understanding that increases with every moment and living thereof is to recognize one creator (Gur) and one creation thereof. In my understanding, a perfect path - yes, perfect knowledge -no. As complete or perfect knowledge is infinite and beyond any knowing.
muddymick ji I mentioned this simply to flag as you have shown your adherence as Buddhist. There have been some posts with Buddhist adherence where the concept of perfect knowledge gained and imparted by Buddha has been implied or postulated. Sikhism does not recognize this to be possible or to be privy to one.
muddymick ji Gurbani recognizes a Gurmukh to be on the fundamental right path. Right path, the travel to destination, the time to travel final destination are as little known to a Gurmukh as anyone else. Gurmukh simply is on a path which is positively accumulative in understanding. Being a Gurmukh you do not take all attributes of the creator or understand all there is to know about the creator.
Your reference to “sargun” (all qualities) and “nirgun” (no qualities) needs to be in context. The definition of all is not given as creation is beyond humans and their understanding too. Similarly no may be taken in human terms and the definition of nothingness eludes brightest of minds. Again nothingness for humans as part of creation may have totally different meaning for other parts of creator’s creation. So this duality is like “infinity” and “zero”.
The process part is turning towards (one creator and one creation). Many derivations for one who has turned, language describing it (Gurmukhi), and so on.

I conclude by citing a pauri out of Japji Sahib that further elaborates context of Sargun and creator,
I hope this leads to mutual understanding/dialog.

Regards.

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[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 187138, member: 14194"] muddymick ji thanks for your reply and succinct style. I have some comments. [I][COLOR=blue]Guru ji give us guidance that the most positive path to accumulating understanding that increases with every moment and living thereof is to recognize one creator (Gur) and one creation thereof.[/COLOR][COLOR=Blue] In my understanding, a perfect path - yes, perfect knowledge -no. As complete or perfect knowledge is infinite and beyond any knowing.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]muddymick ji I mentioned this simply to flag as you have shown your adherence as Buddhist. There have been some posts with Buddhist adherence where the concept of perfect knowledge gained and imparted by Buddha has been implied or postulated. Sikhism does not recognize this to be possible or to be privy to one.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]muddymick ji Gurbani recognizes a Gurmukh to be on the fundamental right path. Right path, the travel to destination, the time to travel final destination are as little known to a Gurmukh as anyone else. Gurmukh simply is on a path which is positively accumulative in understanding. Being a Gurmukh you do not take all attributes of the creator or understand all there is to know about the creator.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]Your reference to “sargun” ([B][U]all [/U][/B]qualities) and “nirgun” ([B][U]no[/U][/B] qualities) needs to be in context. The definition of [B][U]all[/U][/B] is not given as creation is beyond humans and their understanding too. Similarly [B][U] no[/U][/B] may be taken in human terms and the definition of [B][U]nothingness[/U][/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]eludes brightest of minds. Again nothingness for humans as part of creation may have totally different meaning for other parts of creator’s creation. So this duality is like “infinity” and “zero”.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]The process part is turning towards (one creator and one creation). Many derivations for one who has turned, language describing it (Gurmukhi), and so on.[/COLOR][/I] I conclude by citing a pauri out of Japji Sahib that further elaborates context of Sargun and creator, I hope this leads to mutual understanding/dialog. Regards.  [/QUOTE]

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