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Why call her bad from whom Kings are born... is this not just saying that women are only valued for their ability to produce male children?? Why not say Kings and Queens or Leaders? Is it implying that only males can be leaders and women are only valued for their ability to give birth to them?? Why are women never discussed in Gurbani in a leadership position? It's always in reference to males... and Ishna brought up a good shabad awhile back that basically tells men it is wrong to consult their women. (does this mean that Gurbani is actually saying we as women should be in a subordinate role and have no input or say in society or even home life)?  I am confused lately. As I am sure Ishna is since she posted that shabad.  I read that whole thread, and it seems people are trying to 'force' some meaning out of it which might not be seen as sexist. But all of the attempts seem forced as if they are trying to make it what they want it to be and not reading what's actually there. And this worries me...