Did you also just write all this extreme reaction following my citation and tearing it apart as false translation, deliberate distortion, hatred of Gurbani, Horrible for such a person to call themselves a Sikh? So one would have to imply this venom was intended for whoever posted the Rehitnama which you disagreed with. Did you not also spew similar attack in private PM where you accuse me of being filled with krodh, maya and panj dhoots? So how can I not feel it is directed to me personally? Why do you hide behind fake talk like this and smiley faces when you do character assassination?
Did you not say,
So here you are implying something is wrong in translation, something is false because translators only give their perspective. And this falsehood in the Rehitnama is taking the Panth in a totally destructive way.
Yet, you do not clarify what is wrong in the translation. I had fluent Gurmukhi and Punjabi speakers read it through carefully and there is no error in translation. I do not assume things on my own. Yet, you are stating that what is written is false, mistranslated and incorrect. But you do not say in what way.
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This is not a general statement, but follows the post where I quoted Rehitnamay. So by implication one must conclude that you accuse me of mistranslating, not having sufficient knowledge, and something is so dire that our leaders are sleeping and must wake up over this destructiveness to the Panth. Yet you fail to clarify how the rehitnamay are false.
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Are you implying I am learning Gurbani only through translations when I have said I am learning from Gursikhs who are native and fluent speakers of Gurmukhi and Punjabi? Since what you have attacked is my ability to translate this Rehitnama, about visiting Hindu Mandirs, I am still waiting for your clarification and correction. But instead, it is character assassination of my capability, the destructiveness in my intent, and the falsehood of the translated Rehitnama, which you directly say is stretched to unlimited lengths, implying unlimited distortion.
But still you do not state how this Rehitnama is distorted.
Did you not also say,
Since all this venomous writing follows my post where I quoted Rehitnama which contradicts your position on Sikhs visiting Hindu mandirs, and all you are writing about is gross destructive distortion, falsehood, and now "some people"
Whose Sikhi means nothing to do with Guru Ji's teachings.
Explain? The Rehitnama is clear. Gursikhs are not to visit temples outside of Gurudwara. Why would this Rehitnama, cited to evaluate for better understanding have anything to do with assassinating the character of anyone as not following Guruji's teachings, Gurbani is like a joke for them.
How would you know what Gurbani means for another person? Who are you talking about on this thread, following my post citing Rehitnamay which you already accused of gross mistranslation and destructive falsehood?
You already told me the same thing in private PM, so I know you are referring to me personally when you publically write,
So you are saying now I am a horrible person who thinks Gurbani is a joke, who is destructive to the Panth, who is lost inassaa mansa trishnaa and unbelievable that I should call myself a Sikh....
all because I quoted a Rehitnama after consulting with Gursikhs about what is proper for a Gursikh regarding visiting Hindu mandirs.
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But no, it is a thread in which you attacked the translation of a Rehitnama as being false, stretched to unlimited degree (implying deliberate distortion), that Gurbani is a joke to this person, that this person calling themself a Sikh is HORRIBLE. And I know and you know you meant me because in private PM you accused that I was same bad qualities. You are dishonest. But you can play this game on your forum. Who can stop you? You have attacked me worse than Naamdharis and cultists. And I did not attack you. I tried to explain a Gurmat position, which I conform to but wasn't even my own opinion. I asked others why is it Gurmat NOT to visit Hindu mandirs? And I shared with the forum the answer I received.
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Yet, all over you are saying the translation of the Rehitnama is false, the translators are deliberately distorting Gurbani and mistranslating, yet I know for a fact the translation is correct. And you do not even explain where it is false, or what is the proper meaning. Thus, since the Rehitnama is not incorrect, not distorted, you are calling something as false.
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It's very clear that you are rejecting the Rehitnama as it stands, and directly accusing mistranslation. So I say very clearly, if the translation is NOT false, be careful who you are calling a pandit translator, because you will be speaking badly of the author of the Rehitnama itself if it is not false. So it is a very big assumption that the Rehitnama is false without any proof otherwise to make these big accusations of falsehood, distortion, Gurbani is a joke, not following teachings of Guru, someone like this calling themselves a Sikh is HORRIBLE, is UNBELIEVEBLE...
But still you do not show what is wrong in what the Rehitnama says or any proof to support your abusive position against what is written.
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But you are the one distorting because originally you said,
Here you say the war is fought with one's inner nature ONLY, and NOT WITH OTHERS WHO ARE INNOCENT..... To which I clarified fight is both inner and outer, miri and piri, spiritual and temporal. Within oneslef and against enemies who abuse human rights. But you are twisting, that it is either fight one's inner nature OR FIGHT AGAINST INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS.
This is false. Khalsa is not to fight innocent human beings, and not only to purify inner self BUT ALSO TO FIGHT AGAINST OPPRESSIVE EVIL HUMAN BEINGS. So you are leaving out this part of the equation. And that implies that when Khalsa Panth is fighting external enemy in the physical world, that according to your formulation, Khalsa is WRONG for not only fight inner nature, and thus fighting others who are innocent, who are human beings like us. After I mentioned this, you changed position and clarified,
So I thank you for the clarification. Because the other way, only inner cleaning and to fight evil people is somehow to hurt the innocent is incorrect.
If this is the worst thing I had to say to you personally in this thread where you are calling me "a fake Sikh, destructive to the Panth, Panch Chor Ruling all over him/her and claims to be a Sikh-HORRIBLE. Lost in Assaa Mansaa Trishna and calls himself/herself a true sikh-UNBELIEVABLE. Haumai ch sarr reha hai te aapne aap nu Guru Da Sikh Aakh reha-panth di nak vadaa reha...." If this was the worst thing I had to say, you should look at your attack and ask what in the world that was about.
Indeed. To make this much attack on a fellow Sikh in order to defend visiting of Hindu Mandirs. To call any disagreement with this position as filled with Krodh and hatred of innocent human beings, tells me exactly what kind of Hindutva is behind this forum. I gave very valid reasons why I did not believe it was correct. And even cited Rehitnamay. If I am wrong, why the hysterical character assassination? Your positions and comments are completely indefensible. I have not spoken ill of you one single time. I even acknowledged not all Sikhs agree with this position.
But it's your message forum. I can debate with anyone. But you are not debating, or discussing, or even having heated disagreement. What you are doing no one can even support. So I hearby take my leave from your forum before your ugly attacks against me get even worse. It is too bad really, because I was trying to be friendly to you and even explain why I took the position I did, which was not intended to harm anyone least of all innocent Hindus. And I even shared with you pictures and links of very holy and saintly Hindu spiritual teachers who I have great respect for. But enjoy your extreme negativity and call it anything you like, blame anyone you want. Make me out to be your worst enemy if you want. You're a forum moderator. Who could even stop you?
