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Message: <blockquote data-quote="adian808" data-source="post: 226304" data-attributes="member: 26162">Worse, God in Philippino Christianity is called Bathala which is the ancient name of the Hindu god of the Filipinos which comes from Bathara which means lord in Hindu Batara Guru (also called Bhattara Guru, Debata Batara Guru and Batara Siwa) is the name of a supreme god in Indonesian Hinduism..[1][2] His name is derived from the Sanskrit Bhattaraka which means "noble lord".[3] He was conceptualized in Southeast Asia as a benevolent spiritual teacher, the first of all gurus in Indonesian Hindu texts, reflecting the Dakshinamurti guru aspect of the Hindu god Shiva in the Indian subcontinent.[4][5] However, Batara Guru has more aspects than the Indian Shiva, as Indonesian Hindus have mixed their spirits and heroes with him. Batara Guru's consort in Southeast Asia is Shiva's consort Durga.[6][7] ] Batara Guru is considered a form of Rudra-Shiva,[8] a creator god in mythologies found in Javanese and Balinese Hindu texts, in a manner similar to the Brahma mythologies of India. He is supreme in Indonesian Hinduism, much as the god Jupiter was in Roman times.[9] Batara Guru in Sumatran mythologies, states David Leeming, is a primordial being, creator of the earth and the first ancestor of human beings. He is conceptualized quite similarly to the creator deity found in Central Asia and indigenous North America.[10] According to Martin Ramstedt, Batara Guru in other parts of Indonesia is sometimes identified with Shiva, and elsewhere as transcendent "Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and Buddha".[11] According to Shelly Errington, Batara Guru in Luwu, Indonesia, has been conceptualized as formless, powerful, invisible and untraceable..[1] Batara Guru answers to no one else because he is everything, without limit, without center, without edge, without void. Batara Guru, states Errington, is considered to be perfectly formless who is everything, everywhere and all the time..[1] (which corresponds exactly to Allah, without body and form and invisible) so they are (FILIPPINOS AND INDONESIANS) perfect for Sikhism, they should not have been Muslims and Christians, they would have believed in one god Shiva/Allah without being Muslims Isn't that the point?</blockquote>

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