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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 149845" data-attributes="member: 189">Spnadmin Ji wrote:<<<<<1. The discussion of meat in this thread continually shifts away from  the point of the shabad from which the words, Fools Who Wrangle over  Flesh, is but one part of a single verse. The shabad is a serious  exploration of the crookedness of the rich and powerful. Flesh is but a  symbol of their rotten influence and the corruption of power. Fools Who  Wrangle over Flesh digs to a deeper meaning than these 4 words suggest.  Sometimes it is necessary to go back to the moral lessons of the shabad  as they are actually given.<<<<<<<<<I would go as  far to say that Bhagat kabir Jis shabads ref bhaang surapaan machhlee sherab, meat etc are also more concerned with the "LIFESTYLES of the Rich and the  Powerful..the Tyrants, the rulers, rather than the oppressed poor kirtees/working classes."...than with the Bhanng meat fish as "food/diets" per say.Today also a person who frequents such places is known as a "KHAANN PEENN Wallah type..." which is NOT a compliment and doesnt relate to Khaan( eating) or "Peenn( drinking) as normal people who eat daal roti and drink water..BUT to those who indulge in such food at places of ill repute....pubs, grills, hotels etc ( and in Todays context pubs grills, clubs hotels etc are all very reputable becasue its so common but in the 15th century it was NOT the place to visit for a fmaily man and who certainly couldnt afford to frequent them too !! Certain Strict families frown on their teenagers going clubbing/pubbing/hoteling/snookering etc too..even today..as these places have reputations of their own !! Since no one goes to a Pub to drink MILK..no one would go to a Grill and order Daal Roti...thats where the "maas/machhi" thing comes in..they GO hand in hand with teh reputation of the places the lifestyles are related to...and its the LIFESTYLE that will lead to "NARAK" ( Either  on earth - seen plenty of such in families that belong to gamblers and runkards..or the one that jamdoots rule ??) and NOT the act of eating a hamburger.</blockquote>

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