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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ekmusafir_ajnabi" data-source="post: 50501" data-attributes="member: 4318">KDS 1980, Sikhi is a vast Ocean. It has the ability and space to absorb people from all walks of life.The teachings of the Gurus should not be just taken as words of a text. It is their soul, their life experiences for the benefits of us mortals so that we can follow it. It shows us a path to salvation. Unless you reach that stage of maturity of thinking you will not fully understand the word of our Gurus.  People enter sikhi from all walks of life. The four doors to Shri Hari Mandir Sahib (Our Gurus did not call it The Golden Temple) is a proof of it. It is also a proof of what the amateurs of sikh faith are capable of doing – they have put Gold on it and almost renamed it “The Golden Temple”. They name by which the whole world now knows it. If our Gurus wanted to do that then they themselves would have done it. This is only to highlight the attitudes of a vast majority of the Sikhs. Coming back to the topic, Some one has translated this text as follows: Salok mehlaa 1.kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar.koorh bol bol bha-ukanaa chookaa Dharam beechaar.jin jeevandi-aa pat nahee mu-i-aa mandee so-ay.likhi-aa hovai naankaa kartaa karay so ho-ay.  Shalok, First Mehl:In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat rotting carcasses for food.They bark and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.Those who have no honor while alive, will have an evil reputation after they die.Whatever is predestined, happens, O Nanak; whatever the Creator does, comes to pass. Our Sikh literature translates Murdaaras follows:. Ref: Encyclopedia of Sikh Literature - Mahankosh - Bhai Kahan Singh Nabhadefines Murdaar as follows: Loth – Shav – Dead bodySvastkar te Soorveerta rehat - ……….and without bravery?Pran rehet deh - Body without lifeApwitter cheez – Impure itemDharam anusaar na khane yogya – Not worthy of eating according to Dharmic valuesHaraam – Forbidden, Famous Vaddi – Money not earned by honest means As you see there are several meanings to this word. The most appropriate in this text is “Dead body”. Now relate the dead body to the dog. How does a dog see this dead body. For the dog it is food and nothing else. By eating it he will satisfy its hunger. Now you can give a name to whatever he is eating. You can say that he is eating intestines, muscles, nerves. The argument is Mr Randip Singh refuses to accept that it is meat. The meaning of Murdaar being rotting carcasees. I have not found any references to it. The following are two of the translatory book that are available on the net. Feel free to research for yourselves. In addition to that the translator has missed out the word Khaaj – meaning favourite from his summation. If we exclude words from translations then we will end up with inappropriate answers. Unless the original translator intended this In the first place. You can solve a question in two ways:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">By starting from the beginning and coming to an answer. Or</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Deciding on the answer you want and then massaging the figures to fit the question.</li> </ul>Just as we are ready to pick holes in Gurbani – Our Gurus text( Which we should be ashamed of – due to lack of our understanding -especially when they are not physically present here to answer), I was only trying to do the same to the text of Randip Singh. Just as I am giving you my explanation he should have done the same. My translation of the tukh is in line with the Encyclopedias of Sikh Literature. And I checked that afterwards. Please look at them youself. FARIDKOT WALA TEKA (Now translated into English but not available on the net)Fridkot Wala Teeka is classical exegesis of Sri Guru Granth Sahid in “Brij Bhasha” by a team of scholars of Nirmala Sect. It was the first attempt in this field prompted by tRulers of Fridkot State in 19th Century. For all future attempts in this field, it became an ideal prototype. As it was patronized by the Rulers of Fridkot State, it came to be known as “Frdikot Wala Teeka”kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un. SRI GURU GRANTH DARPAN – by Professor Sahib Singh In the light of Randip Singhs essay, are we now to accept that these volumes is wrong? Yes the Shalok of Kabir ji is dealing with issue of hypocracy of mullahs. You are absolutely right. But What kabir ji is saying there, Is it untrue and that it has no value in Sikhism and should just treat it as a passing comment. Why did our Gurus include it in SGGS. If it is there then there is message in it for us. This is the feeling and experience of “Kabir ji”. It is his statement. “Maas maas kar moorakh jhagrey” This shabad is again (In my opinion) being miscommunicated. Let me hypothesize here how this shabad may have come about. Say for an example, The both of us were arguing over the topic of meat in the congregation at the times of our Guru’s. We had all gathered to listen to Guru ji and we were paying less attention to what Guru ji were telling us and more intresting on our argument. Naturally, this argument would have escalated. In order to diffuse this issue, I would have expected Guru ji to intervene and say those very words.  Guru ji came here to deliver a message for humanity, give us naam, to show how we can escape from the clutches of Nature in this dark time period of Kalyug. My grievence with Randip Singh was that I had made a statement that if you are following the path of “Enlightenment – Mukti” then one should refrain from eating meat as it becomes a hurdle in your path. And I also said that it is my personal experience and that our Gurus did not eat meat either. Each of us are at a different level of spirituality. Some at the beginning and some intermediate and some very advanced. We should not compare everybody with ones own yard stick. Just because you cannot understand it, it does not mean that it is untrue. When one grows spiritually, you will automatically get the answers. KDS1980. You make your own decisions come to your own conclusions. Develop your own awareness. Do your own research instead of being a sheep among the herd. At first I was fooled and started following the thought of Randip Singh. But I could not swallow his arguments and began to research. This is my conclusion and my opinion. Now you can make yours. </blockquote>

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