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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 50502" data-attributes="member: 1323">Ok lets take a look at what the essay says:  I don't think anything contentious has been said here. Pritam Singh Chahil's translation I think refers to Muder as Carrion.   You are incorrect -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅੰਧੀ" target="_blank">ਅੰਧੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਯਤਿ" target="_blank">ਰਯਤਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਗਿਆਨ" target="_blank">ਗਿਆਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਿਹੂਣੀ" target="_blank">ਵਿਹੂਣੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਾਹਿ" target="_blank">ਭਾਹਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਰੇ" target="_blank">ਭਰੇ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ" target="_blank">ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ </a>॥ अंधी रयति गिआन विहूणी भाहि भरे मुरदारु ॥ anDhee rayat gi-aan vihoonee bhaahi bharay murdaar. Their subjects are blind, and without wisdom, they try to please the will of the dead.  again refers to the dead. They may also be refered to as carrion.   It makes no difference to the meaning of the ang. In anycase (I may be wrong) I though Khaaj was something uneatable or forbidden?  Not at all. If people are behaving like dogs as this shabad states then their favourite past time is to eat dead bodies...........just like how some people behave when they want grab the rights of another person. A clear metaphor. In Bani....look how many times the metaphor for dogs is used: <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=21&english=t&id=885#l885" target="_blank">Page 21, Line 11</a>ਕੂਕਰ ਕੂੜੁ ਕਮਾਈਐ ਗੁਰ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਪਚੈ ਪਚਾਨੁ ॥कूकर कूड़ु कमाईऐ गुर निंदा पचै पचानु ॥kookar koorh kamaa-ee-ai gur nindaa pachai pachaan.Those who practice falsehood are dogs; those who slander the Guru shall burn in their own fire.Guru Nanak Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=21&L=11&id=885" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=24&english=t&id=1004#l1004" target="_blank">Page 24, Line 13</a>ਏਕੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਦੁਇ ਸੁਆਨੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥एकु सुआनु दुइ सुआनी नालि ॥ayk su-aan du-ay su-aanee naal.The dogs of greed are with me.Guru Nanak Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=24&L=13&id=1004" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=332&english=t&id=15246#l15246" target="_blank">Page 332, Line 11</a>ਪਿਤਰ ਭੀ ਬਪੁਰੇ ਕਹੁ ਕਿਉ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਕਊਆ ਕੂਕਰ ਖਾਹੀ ॥੧॥पितर भी बपुरे कहु किउ पावहि कऊआ कूकर खाही ॥१॥pitar bhee bapuray kaho ki-o paavahi ka-oo-aa kookar khaahee. ||1||Tell me, how can his poor ancestors receive what the crows and the dogs have eaten up? ||1||Devotee Kabir   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=332&L=11&id=15246" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=350&english=t&id=16014#l16014" target="_blank">Page 350, Line 3</a>ਕਰਣੀ ਕੁਤਾ ਦਰਿ ਫੁਰਮਾਨੁ ॥करणी कुता दरि फुरमानु ॥karnee kutaa dar furmaan.by their deeds they are dogs - this is the Command of the Lord's Court.Guru Nanak Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=350&L=3&id=16014" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=360&english=t&id=16514#l16514" target="_blank">Page 360, Line 14</a>ਰਤਨ ਵਿਗਾੜਿ ਵਿਗੋਏ ਕੁਤਂ*ੀ ਮੁਇਆ ਸਾਰ ਨ ਕਾਈ ॥रतन विगाड़ि विगोए कुतीं मुइआ सार न काई ॥ratan vigaarh vigo-ay kuteeN mu-i-aa saar na kaa-ee.This priceless country has been laid waste and defiled by dogs, and no one pays any attention to the dead.Guru Nanak Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=360&L=14&id=16514" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=372&english=t&id=17093#l17093" target="_blank">Page 372, Line 15</a>ਅੰਤਰਿ ਲੋਭੁ ਫਿਰਹਿ ਹਲਕਾਏ ॥अंतरि लोभु फिरहि हलकाए ॥antar lobh fireh halkaa-ay.Within them is greed, and they wander around like mad dogs.Guru Arjan Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=372&L=15&id=17093" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=493&english=t&id=22230#l22230" target="_blank">Page 493, Line 8</a>ਸੇ ਕੂਕਰ ਸੂਕਰ ਗਰਧਭ ਪਵਹਿ ਗਰਭ ਜੋਨੀ ਦਯਿ ਮਾਰੇ ਮਹਾ ਹਤਿਆਰੇ ॥੩॥से कूकर सूकर गरधभ पवहि गरभ जोनी दयि मारे महा हतिआरे ॥३॥say kookar sookar garDhabh paveh garabh jonee da-yi maaray mahaa hati-aaray. ||3||They are like dogs, pigs and jackasses; they are cast into the womb of reincarnation, and the Lord strikes them down as the worst of murderers. ||3||Guru Ram Das   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=493&L=8&id=22230" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=609&english=t&id=26546#l26546" target="_blank">Page 609, Line 11</a>ਤੀਨਿ ਸੰਙਿਆ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਹੀ ਕੀਨੀ ਜਲ ਕੂਕਰ ਭਸਮੇਹੀ ॥तीनि संङिआ करि देही कीनी जल कूकर भसमेही ॥teen sanyi-aa kar dayhee keenee jal kookar bhasmayhee.There are three ways in which the body can be consumed - it can be thrown into water, given to the dogs, or cremated to ashes.Guru Arjan Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=609&L=11&id=26546" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=648&english=t&id=28182#l28182" target="_blank">Page 648, Line 12</a>ਇਕ ਦਝਹਿ ਇਕ ਦਬੀਅਹਿ ਇਕਨਾ ਕੁਤੇ ਖਾਹਿ ॥इक दझहि इक दबीअहि इकना कुते खाहि ॥ik dajheh ik dabee-ah iknaa kutay khaahi.Some are cremated, and some are buried; some are eaten by dogs.Guru Nanak Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=648&L=12&id=28182" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=692&english=t&id=29965#l29965" target="_blank">Page 692, Line 14</a>ਸੂਕਰ ਕੂਕਰ ਜੋਨਿ ਭ੍ਰਮੇ ਤਊ ਲਾਜ ਨ ਆਈ ॥सूकर कूकर जोनि भ्रमे तऊ लाज न आई ॥sookar kookar jon bharamay ta-oo laaj na aa-ee.You have wandered in reincarnation, as pigs and dogs - did you feel no shame?Devotee Kabir   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=692&L=14&id=29965" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=795&english=t&id=33962#l33962" target="_blank">Page 795, Line 7</a>ਏਤੇ ਕੂਕਰ ਹਉ ਬੇਗਾਨਾ ਭਉਕਾ ਇਸੁ ਤਨ ਤਾਈ ॥एते कूकर हउ बेगाना भउका इसु तन ताई ॥aytay kookar ha-o baygaanaa bha-ukaa is tan taa-ee.Among so many dogs, I am an outcast; I bark for my body's belly.Guru Nanak Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=795&L=7&id=33962" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=983&english=t&id=42148#l42148" target="_blank">Page 983, Line 17</a>ਲੋਭ ਲਹਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਸੁਆਨੁ ਹਲਕੁ ਹੈ ਹਲਕਿਓ ਸਭਹਿ ਬਿਗਾਰੇ ॥लोभ लहरि सभु सुआनु हलकु है हलकिओ सभहि बिगारे ॥lobh lahar sabh su-aan halak hai halki-o sabheh bigaaray.The waves of greed are like mad dogs with rabies. Their madness ruins everything.Guru Ram Das   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=983&L=17&id=42148" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1029&english=t&id=44027#l44027" target="_blank">Page 1029, Line 17</a>ਕੂਕਰ ਸੂਕਰ ਕਹੀਅਹਿ ਕੂੜਿਆਰਾ ॥कूकर सूकर कहीअहि कूड़िआरा ॥kookar sookar kahee-ahi koorhi-aaraa.The false are called pigs and dogs.Guru Nanak Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1029&L=17&id=44027" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1124&english=t&id=48136#l48136" target="_blank">Page 1124, Line 16</a>ਸੁਆਨ ਸਤ੍ਰੁ ਅਜਾਤੁ ਸਭ ਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ੍ਨ ਲਾਵੈ ਹੇਤੁ ॥सुआन सत्रु अजातु सभ ते क्रिस्न लावै हेतु ॥su-aan satar ajaat sabh tay krisan laavai hayt.The killer of dogs, the lowest of all, was lovingly embraced by Krishna.Devotee Ravidas   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1124&L=16&id=48136" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1160&english=t&id=49892#l49892" target="_blank">Page 1160, Line 16</a>ਸੁਆਨ ਸਿਆਲ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਹਿ ਰਾਤਾ ॥सुआन सिआल माइआ महि राता ॥su-aan si-aal maa-i-aa meh raataa.Dogs and jackals are imbued with Maya.Devotee Kabir   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1160&L=16&id=49892" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1242&english=t&id=53443#l53443" target="_blank">Page 1242, Line 18</a>ਕਲਿ ਹੋਈ ਕੁਤੇ ਮੁਹੀ ਖਾਜੁ ਹੋਆ ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ ॥कलि होई कुते मुही खाजु होआ मुरदारु ॥kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar.In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat rotting carcasses for food.Guru Nanak Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1242&L=18&id=53443" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1288&english=t&id=55324#l55324" target="_blank">Page 1288, Line 7</a>ਰਾਜੇ ਸੀਹ ਮੁਕਦਮ ਕੁਤੇ ॥राजे सीह मुकदम कुते ॥raajay seeh mukdam kutay.The kings are tigers, and their officials are dogs;Guru Nanak Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1288&L=7&id=55324" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1288&english=t&id=55327#l55327" target="_blank">Page 1288, Line 8</a>ਰਤੁ ਪਿਤੁ ਕੁਤਿਹੋ ਚਟਿ ਜਾਹੁ ॥रतु पितु कुतिहो चटि जाहु ॥rat pit kutiho chat jaahu.The dogs lick up the blood that is spilled.Guru Nanak Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1288&L=8&id=55327" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1311&english=t&id=56193#l56193" target="_blank">Page 1311, Line 17</a>ਲੋਭ ਲਹਰਿ ਸੁਆਨ ਕੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਬਿਖੁ ਮਾਇਆ ਕਰੰਗਿ ਲਗਾਵੈਗੋ ॥੭॥लोभ लहरि सुआन की संगति बिखु माइआ करंगि लगावैगो ॥७॥lobh lahar su-aan kee sangat bikh maa-i-aa karang lagaavaigo. ||7||The waves of greed are like packs of dogs. The poison of Maya sticks to the body-skeleton. ||7||Guru Ram Das   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1311&L=17&id=56193" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1359&english=t&id=58056#l58056" target="_blank">Page 1359, Line 8</a>ਉਦਿਆਨ ਬਸਨੰ ਸੰਸਾਰੰ ਸਨਬੰਧੀ ਸ੍ਵਾਨ ਸਿਆਲ ਖਰਹ ॥उदिआन बसनं संसारं सनबंधी स्वान सिआल खरह ॥udi-aan basanaN saNsaaraN sanbanDhee savaan si-aal kharah.Living in the world, it is like a wild jungle. One's relatives are like dogs, jackals and donkeys.Guru Arjan Dev   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1359&L=8&id=58056" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1413&english=t&id=59972#l59972" target="_blank">Page 1413, Line 9</a>ਮਨਮੁਖ ਬੰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਚਲਾਈਅਹਿ ਨਾ ਮਿਲਹੀ ਵਗਿ ਸਗਿ ॥मनमुख बंन्हि चलाईअहि ना मिलही वगि सगि ॥manmukh baneh chalaa-ee-ah naa milhee vag sag.The self-willed manmukhs are bound and gagged and led away; the dogs do not join the herd of cows.Guru Amar Das   -  <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=1413&L=9&id=59972" target="_blank">view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</a>  These lines confirm that Guruji is talking about the deceitful behaviour of people and has nothing to do with meat eating.   Point 1 - I edited this essay, some are my contributions. It is the collection of works by several Gursikhs, vegetarian and non-vegetarian. All have elected to stay nameless. Some portions have been borrowed from Sradar Sandeep Singh's <a href="http://www.sikhs.org" target="_blank">The Sikhism Home Page</a>. Point 2 - The essay is pointing out that to view this verse merely as a comment on eating behaviour is akin to some sort of Sharia Law. Bani is higher than that. Point 3 - It clearly an concisely points out the metaphor behind this shabad because it says "people like" etc. Sources - Pritam Singh Chahil (Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji). Dr Kulbir Thind Regards</blockquote>

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