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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 56621" data-attributes="member: 1323">Yes....and note... Interesting you say I see these questions as consistent with the concern of Sikhism for Compassion, Justice, and Protection of the Weak -- historical sikh values. We have had compassion or Daya mentioned several times in this discussion, but yet a very narrow defintion of it. What you have done is pointed out the Universal application of Daya. Going back to the topic......Bani use metaphors to describe the lack of compassion we have for fellow human beings. It uses descriptions such as "dogs" and "murdar" to describe the state of man. How a man will literally devour another man in order to satisfy his 5 vices. Destruction of rainforests shows on a global scale how men are devouring men........yet we take these great lines of wisdom and apply them narrowly (and incorectly) to what our diet should consist of. When we do this we miss the Universal application of Bani totally. If Bani had such a reverence of people of a certain diet then it would surely describe Jains (who are careful to avoid stepping on an ant) as superior in every way..............they are what you could say as even suparsing vegans in ensuring animal are not harmed...........yet page 1285 of Bani says <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਉੜੀ" target="_blank">ਪਉੜੀ </a>॥ पउड़ी ॥ Pa&shy;oṛī. Pauree: <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਇਕਿ" target="_blank">ਇਕਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜੈਨੀ" target="_blank">ਜੈਨੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਉਝੜ" target="_blank">ਉਝੜ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਇ" target="_blank">ਪਾਇ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਧੁਰਹੁ" target="_blank">ਧੁਰਹੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਖੁਆਇਆ" target="_blank">ਖੁਆਇਆ </a>॥ इकि जैनी उझड़ पाइ धुरहु खुआइआ ॥ Ik jainī ujẖaṛ pā&shy;ė ḏẖarahu kẖu&shy;ā&shy;i&shy;ā. Some are Jains, wasting their time in the wilderness; by their pre-ordained destiny, they are ruined. <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਨ" target="_blank">ਤਿਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮੁਖਿ" target="_blank">ਮੁਖਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਹੀ" target="_blank">ਨਾਹੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਮੁ" target="_blank">ਨਾਮੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨ" target="_blank">ਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤੀਰਥਿ" target="_blank">ਤੀਰਥਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਇਆ" target="_blank">ਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਇਆ </a>॥ तिन मुखि नाही नामु न तीरथि न्हाइआ ॥ Ŧin mukẖ nāhī nām na ṯirath nĥā&shy;i&shy;ā. The Naam, the Name of the Lord, is not on their lips; they do not bathe at sacred shrines of pilgrimage. <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਥੀ" target="_blank">ਹਥੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਿਰ" target="_blank">ਸਿਰ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਖੋਹਾਇ" target="_blank">ਖੋਹਾਇ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨ" target="_blank">ਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਦੁ" target="_blank">ਭਦੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਾਇਆ" target="_blank">ਕਰਾਇਆ </a>॥ हथी सिर खोहाइ न भदु कराइआ ॥ Hathī sir kẖohā&shy;ė na bẖaḏ karā&shy;i&shy;ā. They pull out their hair with their hands, instead of shaving. <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੁਚਿਲ" target="_blank">ਕੁਚਿਲ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਹਹਿ" target="_blank">ਰਹਹਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦਿਨ" target="_blank">ਦਿਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਾਤਿ" target="_blank">ਰਾਤਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਬਦੁ" target="_blank">ਸਬਦੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨ" target="_blank">ਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਾਇਆ" target="_blank">ਭਾਇਆ </a>॥ कुचिल रहहि दिन राति सबदु न भाइआ ॥ Kucẖil raheh ḏin rāṯ sabaḏ na bẖā&shy;i&shy;ā. They remain unclean day and night; they do not love the Word of the Shabad. <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਨ" target="_blank">ਤਿਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਾਤਿ" target="_blank">ਜਾਤਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨ" target="_blank">ਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਤਿ" target="_blank">ਪਤਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨ" target="_blank">ਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮੁ" target="_blank">ਕਰਮੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਨਮੁ" target="_blank">ਜਨਮੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਗਵਾਇਆ" target="_blank">ਗਵਾਇਆ </a>॥ तिन जाति न पति न करमु जनमु गवाइआ ॥ Ŧin jāṯ na paṯ na karam janam gavā&shy;i&shy;ā. They have no status, no honor, and no good karma. They waste away their lives in vain. <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮਨਿ" target="_blank">ਮਨਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜੂਠੈ" target="_blank">ਜੂਠੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੇਜਾਤਿ" target="_blank">ਵੇਜਾਤਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜੂਠਾ" target="_blank">ਜੂਠਾ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਖਾਇਆ" target="_blank">ਖਾਇਆ </a>॥ मनि जूठै वेजाति जूठा खाइआ ॥ Man jūṯẖai vėjāṯ jūṯẖā kẖā&shy;i&shy;ā. Their minds are false and impure; that which they eat is impure and defiled. <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਬਿਨੁ" target="_blank">ਬਿਨੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਬਦੈ" target="_blank">ਸਬਦੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਚਾਰੁ" target="_blank">ਆਚਾਰੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨ" target="_blank">ਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਿਨ" target="_blank">ਕਿਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹੀ" target="_blank">ਹੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਇਆ" target="_blank">ਪਾਇਆ </a>॥ बिनु सबदै आचारु न किन ही पाइआ ॥ Bin sabḏai ācẖār na kin hī pā&shy;i&shy;ā. Without the Shabad, no one achieves a lifestyle of good conduct. <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ" target="_blank">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਓਅੰਕਾਰਿ" target="_blank">ਓਅੰਕਾਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚਿ" target="_blank">ਸਚਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਮਾਇਆ" target="_blank">ਸਮਾਇਆ </a>॥੧੬॥ गुरमुखि ओअंकारि सचि समाइआ ॥१६॥ Gurmukẖ o&shy;ankār sacẖ samā&shy;i&shy;ā. ||16|| The Gurmukh is absorbed in the True Lord God, the Universal Creator. ||16|| Yet look at how Guruji describes Jains? So the conclusions about Bani are there to be drawn by everyone themelves. One thing that shouldn't be done is that it be broken into sentences......it should be read in paragraphs. Words like "Murdar" should be translated for what they are. You have used words like "rape" to describe what is happening to the environment. Bani does likewise to describe the state of man.</blockquote>

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