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Message: <blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 95078" data-attributes="member: 35">Sangat ji  ਜਿਨ ਕਉ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਥਾਪਿਆ ਤਿਨ ਮੇਟਿ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਕੋਇ ॥ jin ko sathigur thhaapiaa thin maett n sakai koe ||No one can overthrow those who have been established by the True Guru.  ਓਨਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਮੋ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਇ ॥ ounaa andhar naam nidhhaan hai naamo paragatt hoe ||The Treasure of the Naam, the Name of the Lord, is within them, and through the Naam, they are radiant and famous.ਨਾਉ ਪੂਜੀਐ ਨਾਉ ਮੰਨੀਐ ਅਖੰਡੁ ਸਦਾ ਸਚੁ ਸੋਇ ॥੩॥ naao poojeeai naao manneeai akhandd sadhaa sach soe ||3||They worship the Naam, and they believe in the Naam. The True One is forever Intact and Unbroken. ||3||  ਖੇਹੂ ਖੇਹ ਰਲਾਈਐ ਤਾ ਜੀਉ ਕੇਹਾ ਹੋਇ ॥ khaehoo khaeh ralaaeeai thaa jeeo kaehaa hoe ||When the body mingles with dust, what happens to the soul?  ਜਲੀਆ ਸਭਿ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਉਠੀ ਚਲਿਆ ਰੋਇ ॥ jaleeaa sabh siaanapaa outhee chaliaa roe ||All clever tricks are burnt away, and you shall depart crying.  ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮਿ ਵਿਸਾਰਿਐ ਦਰਿ ਗਇਆ ਕਿਆ ਹੋਇ ॥੪॥੮॥ naanak naam visaariai dhar gaeiaa kiaa hoe ||4||8||O Nanak, those who forget the Naam-what will happen when they go to the Court of the Lord? ||4||8||This part of the shabad is in Sri Raag, Ang 17. It connects with the discussion about Bhagat Kabir ji in this sense. If the jeevatma (the individual soul) does not manage in this one lifetime to join with the Divine - then what happens to that soul after death? If it does not merge with Divine Consiousness in this one lifetime, what is its destination?  It is clear that Bhagat Kabiji  and the Gurus say that at death the body rots, is cremated, decays, is recycled into the vast energies of nature and the Cosmos.  The idea that souls reincarnate to cleanse themselves of the filth of past deeds over and over again in truth does not fit with Guru's Shabad. Kabir ji says: There is only one chance in this lifetime to form a spiritual union with the Divine. But how is this question answered? Does then the soul return to continue is spiritual journey?   Everything depends on how one understands the concept of "soul."  Are there other lifetimes for the soul to continue its spiritual journey toward union with paramatma, the Divine Consciousness?</blockquote>

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