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Message: <blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 69120" data-attributes="member: 35">Caroline jiYou may not be as confused as you pretend to be. You questions may be a little Socratic. Encouraging us to reflect and define our terms?Is this God?  Who is Ram Das?  Guru means "Lord", right? So is this saying praise to the creator of Nanak, who extablished him as the leader of the Sikhs? God is being praised. Nanak is not the leader of the Sikhs, but the one who started us on a new spiritual path And then, in the phrase "you manifest God" wouldn't that imply that Nanak is a manifestation of God?Nanaak carries the jyote or Light of Divine Truth. We are all manifestations of God because God in in His Creation. God is also greater than His Creation. Please read Jaap Sahib.I'm seeing the word manifest as a perceivable evidence of an unperceivable truth, or evidence of a fact.  In that case, wouldn't Nanak be the number and God the quantity?  The perceivable symbol for an abstract concept?  NoThat would not make the number the actual quantity, but it would make it the symbol we need to help us understand the concept of the quantity, and would help us be able to figure the quantity in equations, such as life?Too analyticalIs this speaking to the immeasurable wisdom of Nanak?  Seeing as he has the spark of God and is evidence of God?As aboveWhat is "Amar"?  Is this saying that Nanak is Nanak, but that he is also evidence of God with God residing within him?The jyote was passed from Guru to Guru until Guru Gobind Singh. Nanak was the first Guru.  The first 3 gurus were Nanaak, Angad and Amar Das. In this line Amar  is a reference to Ram Das, who is the 4th Guru and the 4th to receive the jyote.Ang 130ਅਮਰਦਾਸ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥ ਸਾਧਨਿ ਲਖਾ ਮੂੜ੍ਹ ਨਹਿ ਪਾਯੋ ॥੯॥Amardaas Raamdaas kahaayo|| Saadhan(i) lakhaa moo?h nah(i) paayo||9||Amar Das was called Ram Das, only the saints know it and the fools did not.I would understand this to mean that the author experienced a great peace when they came to understand the mystery of how God can live within us and, in the case of Nanak, make himself perceivable to beings This is one way of explaining the line.who are largely incapable of perceiving anything of the spirit or on the spiritual realm.We are not incapable. We just don't realize how capable we are.[/COLOR] Caroline ji,You have a voice. We are hearing you. In a friendly way I am asking you if you would  make your font a little smaller now -- your comments will be easier to read. ]</blockquote>

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