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<blockquote data-quote="P J Singh" data-source="post: 225760" data-attributes="member: 25524">The body is the city where the Lord dwells. Through the Guru&#039;s teachings, the mind is guided and imbued with the Lord, Har Har.When I read the first line (copied above) of this post, it clearly does not align with what the writer is trying to convey &quot; guru ji is within and never existed outside&quot;The line says that it is the Har ( the Lord ) that dwells in us . Is Lord and Guru the same?&nbsp; As far as I understand , Guru is the intermediary (Vichola) through whose wisdom and guidance we get connected with the Lord.As per Gurbani, Lord resides in us as its own &quot;Jot&quot;, or &quot;Noor&quot; ; also referred to as as&nbsp; &quot;Naam&quot; or &quot;Naam Ras&quot;.My understanding is that Guru is simply a reference to Gyan. Before the compilation of AGGS, it was a reference to divine wisdom - Sabad Guru.&nbsp; Sabad Guru does not mean the wisdom that is scripted.&nbsp; In fact the Gurbani tells us this sabad Guru is not something that can be scripted through the &quot;52 Akhar&quot; ( as in Bawan Akhari).&nbsp; Also in Jap Ji Sahib we read &quot; Kagad , kalam Na Lekhan Har&quot; ( i.e. there is no pen or paper to capture this collective divine wisdom - Naam Ras- the primary manifestation or functional potency of the Lord. Like our Gurus, only those who are able to spiritually elevate themselves to certain higher threshold, can attune to this wisdom and receive it.&nbsp; Gurus have given us this wisdom as Gur Bani.&nbsp; AGGS is all Gurbani but some of us call it Sabad Guru as well -&nbsp; in my opinion, it is a misnomer: I can be wrong as I am just a learner&nbsp; like many of us.Guru Fetah<h3></h3></blockquote>

[QUOTE="P J Singh, post: 225760, member: 25524"] [I]The body is the city where the Lord dwells. Through the Guru's teachings, the mind is guided and imbued with the Lord, Har Har.[/I] When I read the first line (copied above) of this post, it clearly does not align with what the writer is trying to convey "[I] guru ji is within and never existed outside"[/I] The line says that it is the [B]Har[/B] ( the [B]Lord[/B] ) that dwells in us . Is Lord and Guru the same? As far as I understand , Guru is the intermediary (Vichola) through whose wisdom and guidance we get connected with the Lord. As per Gurbani, Lord resides in us as its own "Jot", or "Noor" ; also referred to as as "Naam" or "Naam Ras". My understanding is that Guru is simply a reference to Gyan. Before the compilation of AGGS, it was a reference to divine wisdom - Sabad Guru. Sabad Guru does not mean the wisdom that is scripted. In fact the Gurbani tells us this sabad Guru is not something that can be scripted through the "[I]52 Akhar" ( as in Bawan Akhari[/I]). Also in Jap Ji Sahib we read [I]" Kagad , kalam Na Lekhan Har" [/I]( i.e. there is no pen or paper to capture this collective divine wisdom - Naam Ras- the primary manifestation or functional potency of the Lord. Like our Gurus, only those who are able to spiritually elevate themselves to certain higher threshold, can attune to this wisdom and receive it. Gurus have given us this wisdom as Gur Bani. AGGS is all Gurbani but some of us call it Sabad Guru as well - in my opinion, it is a misnomer: I can be wrong as I am just a learner like many of us. Guru Fetah [HEADING=2][/HEADING] [/QUOTE]

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