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Confused ji my response follows. I have tagged paragraps for clarity as,

CJ ---> Confused ji
AJ----> Ambarsaria
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AJ: Brother Confused ji I do not insist. I simply believe it to make sense and pose it as such. I am not offended if someone does not believe in what I believe. However if they are going to contort Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji wisdom, of what I understand, I protest based on my understanding thereof. We also need to recognize that we are not as original, as absolute in our living and thought as we may pretend to others or ourselves. Humans are social and associative animals.

AJ: Confused brother there is huge difference. I state one to many physical transformation, one to many legacy (spiritual complex legacies) transformations.

I always understood re-incarnation to be stated as a single unit of life becoming another single unit of life. Example man becomes serpent, serpent becomes rat, rat becomes pig, pig becomes cow, cow becomes a human, and so on. This definition of re-incarnation I do not believe in. It is given great eminence in Hinduism as 8,400,000 forms of life transformations one-on one in a cycle.

AJ: Confused Brother ji nothing remains at physical of a person as a unit or material blob and single entity. Gets transformed into far too many to count. Say if we were to mark each molecule in our body and trace it over 5, 10 years to see where it went, it could be in all kind of life, things and places.

At the spiritual level, our interactions and associative soul/spirituality impacts continue to impinge consciously and sub-consciously in lot of lif that we directly or virtually interact with. Spiritual linkages to Buddha exist for you, spiritual linkages to Guru Nanak Dev ji exist for me, and so on our relationships with people no longer alive through physical or virtual interactions we had or are having with such.
No I am not trying to have my cake and eat it too and I hope above explains.

Specific question 1: Physical body after death is kaput and becomes many different life or other forms.

Specific Question 2: Soul is a living an transforming entity in life and after death. In life you have many sensory enablers to enhance spiritual interactions through the five senses. After death the interactions continue but are limited by legacy and availability of interactions to be shared. This varied from person to person. Some like Buddha, Guru Nanak Dev ji even after death hundreds of years ago are interacting better that a person unknown to us in the neighborhood, village/town, city country and the world at large.

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</td></tr></tbody></table>CJ: The problem is not information clutter. Regardless of how well read / learned anyone is, it is the nature of ignorance and attachment to 'self', that there is jumping around amongst different views in order to find support.

AJ: Confused Brother ji, I by design or plan I don’t jump around. That however does not prove I have not jumped around. Jumping around is a natural phenomenon in the process of learning and understanding a specific item. Jumping around lessens as we start to understand more completely and firmly.

CJ: Do I expect to convert anyone? Not at all. What I however would be happy with is that those who read in will to a lesser or greater extent, question their understandings in the particular area.

AJ: Intent of my humble response is the same.

Hopefully I have answered but if a miss, error, etc., please feel free to flag.

Good to dialog with you.

PS: Sorry folks formatting gremlins/things I don't understand are creating havoc. I don't have energy to fix right now. May be later.

<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 161225" data-attributes="member: 14194">Confused ji my response follows.&nbsp; I have tagged paragraps for clarity as,<ul>
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<li data-xf-list-type="ul">AJ----&gt;&nbsp; Ambarsaria</li>
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We also need to recognize that we are not as original, as absolute in our living and thought as we may pretend to others or ourselves.&nbsp; Humans are social and associative animals.&nbsp; AJ:&nbsp; Confused brother there is huge difference.&nbsp; I state one to many physical transformation, one to many legacy (spiritual complex legacies) transformations.&nbsp; I always understood re-incarnation to be stated as a single unit of life becoming another single unit of life.&nbsp; Example man becomes serpent, serpent becomes rat, rat becomes pig, pig becomes cow, cow becomes a human, and so on.&nbsp; This definition of re-incarnation I do not believe in.&nbsp; It is given great eminence in Hinduism as 8,400,000 forms of life transformations one-on one in a cycle.&nbsp; AJ:&nbsp; Confused Brother ji nothing remains at physical of a person as a unit or material blob and single entity.&nbsp; Gets transformed into far too many to count.&nbsp; Say if we were to mark each molecule in our body and trace it over 5, 10 years to see where it went, it could be in all kind of life, things and places.&nbsp;&nbsp;At the spiritual level, our interactions and associative soul/spirituality impacts continue to impinge consciously and sub-consciously in lot of lif that we directly or virtually interact with.&nbsp; Spiritual linkages to Buddha exist for you, spiritual linkages to Guru Nanak Dev ji exist for me, and so on our relationships with people no longer alive through physical or virtual interactions we had or are having with such. &nbsp; No I am not trying to have my cake and eat it too and I hope above explains.&nbsp; Specific question 1:&nbsp; Physical body after death is kaput and becomes many different life or other forms.&nbsp; Specific Question 2:&nbsp; Soul is a living an transforming entity in life and after death.&nbsp; In life you have many sensory enablers to enhance spiritual interactions through the five senses.&nbsp; After death the interactions continue but are limited by legacy and availability of interactions to be shared.&nbsp; This varied from person to person.&nbsp; Some like Buddha, Guru Nanak Dev ji even after death hundreds of years ago are interacting better that a person unknown to us in the neighborhood, village/town, city country and the world at large.&lt;table class=&quot;MsoNormalTable&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;0&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;23&quot; width=&quot;505&quot;&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr style=&quot;mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes&quot;&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;border:inset 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:inset windowtext .75pt;&nbsp;&nbsp; padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;CJ:&nbsp; The problem is not information clutter. Regardless of how well read / learned anyone is, it is the nature of ignorance and attachment to &#039;self&#039;, that there is jumping around amongst different views in order to find support. &nbsp; &nbsp; AJ:&nbsp; Confused Brother ji, I by design or plan I don’t jump around. That however does not prove I have not jumped around.&nbsp; Jumping around is a natural phenomenon in the process of learning and understanding a specific item.&nbsp; Jumping around lessens as we start to understand more completely and firmly.CJ:&nbsp; Do I expect to convert anyone? Not at all. What I however would be happy with is that those who read in will to a lesser or greater extent, question their understandings in the particular area.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; AJ:&nbsp; Intent of my humble response is the same.&nbsp; &nbsp; Hopefully I have answered but if a miss, error, etc.,&nbsp; please feel free to flag.&nbsp; &nbsp; Good to dialog with you.PS:&nbsp; Sorry folks formatting gremlins/things I don&#039;t understand are creating havoc.&nbsp; I don&#039;t have energy to fix right now.&nbsp; May be later.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 161225, member: 14194"] [COLOR=Blue][I]Confused ji my response follows. I have tagged paragraps for clarity as, [/I][/COLOR] [LIST] [*][COLOR=Blue][I][B]CJ[/B] ---> Confused ji[/I][/COLOR] [*][COLOR=Blue][I][B]AJ[/B]----> Ambarsaria[/I][/COLOR] [/LIST] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  <table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" height="1" width="533"><tbody><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes"><td style="border:inset 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:inset windowtext .75pt; padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"> </td></tr></tbody></table> [B]AJ: [/B][I][COLOR=blue]Brother Confused ji I do not insist. I simply believe it to make sense and pose it as such. I am not offended if someone does not believe in what I believe. However if they are going to contort Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji wisdom, of what I understand, I protest based on my understanding thereof. We also need to recognize that we are not as original, as absolute in our living and thought as we may pretend to others or ourselves. Humans are social and associative animals.[/COLOR][/I] [B] AJ:[/B] [I][COLOR=blue]Confused brother there is huge difference. I state one to many physical transformation, one to many legacy (spiritual complex legacies) transformations.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]I always understood re-incarnation to be stated as a single unit of life becoming another single unit of life. Example man becomes serpent, serpent becomes rat, rat becomes pig, pig becomes cow, cow becomes a human, and so on. This definition of re-incarnation I do not believe in. It is given great eminence in Hinduism as 8,400,000 forms of life transformations one-on one in a cycle.[/COLOR][/I] [B]AJ: [/B][I][COLOR=blue]Confused Brother ji [U]nothing remains at physical of a person as a unit or material blob and single entity[/U]. Gets transformed into far too many to count. Say if we were to mark each molecule in our body and trace it over 5, 10 years to see where it went, it could be in all kind of life, things and places.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]At the spiritual level, our interactions and associative soul/spirituality impacts continue to impinge consciously and sub-consciously in lot of lif that we directly or virtually interact with. Spiritual linkages to Buddha exist for you, spiritual linkages to Guru Nanak Dev ji exist for me, and so on our relationships with people no longer alive through physical or virtual interactions we had or are having with such. [/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]No I am not trying to have my cake and eat it too and I hope above explains.[/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=blue]Specific question 1:[/COLOR][/I][/B][I][COLOR=blue] Physical body after death is kaput and becomes many different life or other forms.[/COLOR][/I] [B][I][COLOR=blue]Specific Question 2: [/COLOR][/I][/B][I][COLOR=blue]Soul is a living an transforming entity in life and after death. In life you have many sensory enablers to enhance spiritual interactions through the five senses. After death the interactions continue but are limited by legacy and availability of interactions to be shared. This varied from person to person. Some like Buddha, Guru Nanak Dev ji even after death hundreds of years ago are interacting better that a person unknown to us in the neighborhood, village/town, city country and the world at large. [/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=blue] [/COLOR][/I]<table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" height="23" width="505"><tbody><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes"><td style="border:inset 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:inset windowtext .75pt; padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"> </td></tr></tbody></table>[B]CJ:[/B] The problem is not information clutter. Regardless of how well read / learned anyone is, it is the nature of ignorance and attachment to 'self', that [I][U]there is jumping around amongst different views[/U][/I] in order to find support. [B]AJ: [/B][I][COLOR=blue]Confused Brother ji, I by design or plan I don’t jump around. That however does not prove I have not jumped around. Jumping around is a natural phenomenon in the process of learning and understanding a specific item. Jumping around lessens as we start to understand more completely and firmly.[/COLOR][/I] [B]CJ:[/B] Do I expect to convert anyone? Not at all. What I however would be happy with is that those who read in will to a lesser or greater extent, question their understandings in the particular area. [B]AJ: [/B][I][COLOR=blue]Intent of my humble response is the same.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=black]Hopefully I have answered but if a miss, error, etc., please feel free to flag.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Good to dialog with you. [B]PS:[/B] Sorry folks formatting gremlins/things I don't understand are creating havoc. I don't have energy to fix right now. May be later. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

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