Nirmaljot ji,
Guru fateh.
You write:
As mentioned by the wonderful leaders of this forum, please post the whole Shabad with your own understanding along with the literal translation if you like, so we can learn from each other. Having said that you have forgotten to explain the meaning of the above in this post.
I am sorry to disappoint you but this approach of yours will not work in this forum. This forum is meant to exchange Gurmat ideas, thoughts and our understanding of Gurbani, which may create healthy debates at times and that is OK but unfortunately your approach to my queries is to be argumentative, which again does not serve any purpose here.When you post something here, then it is your duty to respond to the queries regarding your post. Once you have done that, then you have every right to ask the questioner to share his/ her point of view regarding the same subject.
My query:
“Do you mean our Gurus, starting with Guru Nanak worked against the nature and did not care about our body clock with whose help our bodies work?
Do you think they would advice us to discard nature in this manner?
What would be the reason behind it if your contention is correct? Can you please shed some light on it.”
Your response:
Pardon my ignorance, but once again you are connecting Amrit vela to early in the morning. You are contradicting yourself from your post which made me ask you questions. Please read your own post first and no one is talking about that it is harmful to get up in the morning. That is totally a different topic. The only question is what is Amrit Vela?
Please follow the forum rules as mentioned by the leaders. You may start a different thread with the explanation of each Shabad in your own words to express your viewpoint if you like and then we can discuss each Shabad and its message.
Once again you are confused and contradicting yourself from your original in which you explained what is not Amrit Vela. No one is against getting up in the morning as mentioned before but that is not the point of my queries to you. Please read it again to clarify in your mind what I have specifically asked you.
Having said that your above example is very archaic and bigoted. First and foremost, Sikhi rejects any caste system. I thought you knew that. Secondly, there are many non-jatt Sikhs who are also farmers. Lastly things do not work like that on the farms anymore. Farms have equipments and the farmers do not have to get up very early any more, not even dairy farmers because the machines attached to the udders have the timers.
But, that is not the point. People around the world work graveyard shifts, night shifts and at different hours, even in India due to IT. So your contention above is irrelevant and makes no sense.
I have no idea what you mean by the above. I would like you to elaborate it.
My query:
“Aren't thinking of the family and business even in the Gurdwara which may help us give new ideas to make our family and business better parts of Miri-Piri concept of Sikhi way of life?”
Once again you are mixing apples with oranges. Guru Sahib taught us through Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru how to become good citizens of the society we live in and for us to attain that goal they created the unique concept of Miri-Piri for us to follow. Please read about Miri-Piri concept started by Guru Nanak and named as such by our 6th Guru. If you have already studied the concept, then please share it with us.
Here you again assuming things about others. You have assumed that I have not read Gurbani. Where is the benefit of the doubt according to Gurmat values?
It seems to me that it is you who has failed to grasp the meaning of what is written in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru. Once you explain the concept of Miri- Piri, I am sure you will change your mind and understand the true meaning of what our Gurus' message is.
Please follow the forum guidelines as explained by the leaders and then we can discuss each Shabad in details if you wish to.
Thanks & regards
Tejwant Singh
