Re: Kabir- Guru Connection
So posting "So from your views it seems, that Kabir Ji's views were identical with our first 5 Gurus & not with the other 5 Gurus .... Unbelievable !" shows great maturity in debating? It shows real modesty right? Also shows great insight? lol
Your views on Ahimsa are wholly wrong, and I've posted several scholarly articles on this. Ahimsa is non-violence. Not one Guru believed in turning the other cheek.
On Kabir:
http://sikhinstitute.org/conn_th_dots/ch3.htm
" Similarly it would be incorrect to say, that Kabir was Guru Nanak’s Guru, just because of similarity in their views. Guru Nanak’s guru also was none other than Satguru. (Sidh Gosht, GGS, p 972)
Had it been otherwise we would not have had Nanak II and Nanak III, we would have had Kabir II and Kabir III or Ramanand III and Ramanand IV. In the Guru Granth Sahib, where the bani of the Gurus is given in each Raga, in chronological order, and then follow compositions of various Bhagats, with Kabir’s bani placed first—and in some cases also at the end. If the lineage of gurus had started from Ramanand, his bani would have been given first position."
http://urantiabook.org/archive/readers/601_sikhism.htm
"Nanak, like Kabir and others, tried to synthesize the best elements of Islam and Hinduism. He taught a devotional monotheism, referring to God as "The True Name." Nanak rejected ahimsa ................"
Table comparing beliefs:
http://www.sikhmarg.com/english/sikhs-not-hindus.html
Page 72
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gqIbJz7vMn0C&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=sikhs+reject+ahimsa&source=bl&ots=fPD0BkQzZB&sig=mWRsdfaJKHDYLqQBZiyAO4UIDpY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vCUVUIz2McPA0QXhrYCQDw&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=sikhs%20reject%20ahimsa&f=false
Ahimsa means kindness and non-violence towards all living things. Sikhs may support kindness (which is Daya) but the DO NOT support non-violence. You are making the commeon mistake, most Vaishnavite orientated Sikhs do, i.e. confusing Daya with Ahimsa. :motherlylove:
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/26099-why-do-some-sikhs-confuse-daya-3.html
where we concluded:
Daya – seeing things from another’s point of view and having sympathy enough to want to stand up for that person (even if it means sacrificing your own life). Daya applies to those who potentially have the capacity to have Daya themselves i.e. humans.
Ahimsa – not wishing to harm anything, or any creature, and if someone does something bad to you leaving it to divine retribution and Karma to set things right.
Daya is subjective.
Ahimsa is objective.
