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CaramelChocolate
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I asked a Swami about this as I had seen such claims on a website, he said 2 things:
1. They are baseless as it is hard or people to get hold of Hindu scriptures to check, and people often believe things blindly.
2. Hindu scriptures were not written down after ages and there authenticity is to be doubted, and often people add things to the scriptures according to the time or their advantage.
1. They are baseless as it is hard or people to get hold of Hindu scriptures to check, and people often believe things blindly.
2. Hindu scriptures were not written down after ages and there authenticity is to be doubted, and often people add things to the scriptures according to the time or their advantage.
Your too funny, did you even bother reading the messages before posting.
Anyways I will first answer your questions from first post.
1. Our response to this is and what it means is that it further proves that Hinduism is a religion from God, which we believe and you guys don't believe.
Now i ask you, What is your response to this? wat does it mean?
I suggest before you start posting quotes, you should convince your mind to not believe it or else your just contradicting your own religion. LOL.
anyways about the ten gurus.
1. In the Hindu epic the RIG VEDA
(i) In Mandala 7, Ush 5, Mantra 5 and Chapter 6
"Bee chakram prithoi aishai ta khestraaeh Vishnu mansai das sayaan
throvaah so asaya keeryo janaas oeroo khashatra so janama
chakaar (8)"
meaning
"when in the world the sinful ways will be on the rise and noble behavior will vanish, as the disappearance of the moon when on its wane on the darkest night, there will appear Vishnu as a prominent Prophet from the Keshatra Clan and will manifest in consecutive form through 10 Prophets to bring back the ways of virtue to the ailing world."
(ii) In the same Vedas, in another part even in the name NANAK and the clan he belongs to is recorded thus -
"Sri Nanak gureng vareng saklaath heythoo. Heitha samasth jagathaa va veithee kaetheng"
meaning
"For the preaching of religious ways and the earning of good karma, there will manifest Guru NANAK from the clan of the Veithees"
(iii) At another position in the same Vedas is entered under Mandala 1 Soothak 5 and in the 7th Mantra thus -
"Eeth eethei Vishnu reinn chakramei threihaa nathathei patham"
meaning
"The Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three attributes. As an Avtar propounding Truth, as a Householder establishing family life and at the same time be a Raja Yogi"
2. The YUJAR VEDA
As in the RIG VEDA quoted above, in the YUJAR VEDA also the Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three main characteristics thus -
"Vishnu bee chakrageih treithaa neikthei patham samudhseiaa paaeh
serei swahaa"
meaning
"Vishnu will appear again, manifesting three main characteristics, Avtarhood, Householder family life and be a Rajah Yogi as well"
Although in the above two quotations the name of Nanak does not directly appear, reference to being a householder family man, would point to him because he was among the first few Avtars (prophets) who was married and begetting children.
Incidentally in Hindu mythology, VISHNU is the primordial Godhead Prophet, who incarnates on Earth taking many differing forms and the ensuing names thereto.
3. In the BHAVEKHATH PURANA
"BHAVEKHATH" means "future foretelling". There are numerous places in this famous Hindu epic where the advent of Guru NANAK is directly alluded to. These instances are listed hereunder -
(i)
"Theraa bhaareng thereshtwah keli krethem maha krethyaa. Aeveng vaee
tharam parchaariang bhavekhthee thaa kalau. Thatha vei
loka rakheiaartheng maleishana naas heithwei paschmeitlheng subh
theisay vath wensei chei Nanaka naam nach rekhiang brahem
geaanaik manas bhavekhet kaloe skunth thatar verth kaleaah har (35)."
meaning
"In the Kali Yuga when goodness in the world is deteriorating there
will appear a Prophet from the Beithi clan named NANAK
who from birth will be endowed with extra-ordinary spiritual power.
He will preach on the nobility of life and the eradication of
the sinful ways"
(ii) In another portion of this book the following short cogent quotation supplies further pertinent information on the advent of Nanak
"Guru thaa Brahma, Guru raa Vishnu, Guru raa dev maheshra saakhyaar
Parbrehem Thasmei NANAK nameh"
meaning
"The Guru of the prophets, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv ji is God
almighty himself. This very Creator will manifest itself as a human,
in the form of one whose name will be NANAK
Note the clarity and explicitness in which the coming of Nanak is predicted.
(iii) Further down in this book is recorded the following detailed assertiveness about Nanak and the type of mission and work he shall perform. It appears to emanate from the Godhead itself.
"The Kali Yuga shall dawn on Earth with radical manifestation of destruction of Karma and Dharma to such an extent that every situation shall be colored by sinful activities. At that distressful moment, the Creator shall send down a spiritual luminary in the form of NANAK from the Khatria clan. He will spread the message of NAAM, the Holy life Force, by introducing the primacy of meditation and thus washing clean the sinful ways by the waters of love."
Note the beautiful and comprehensive description of the happening.
(iv) There is yet another quotation from this same Bhavekhath Purana indicative of Nanak and the 9 prophets that consecutively followed his lineage : -
"When in the world there is the deterioration of noble Dharma, then Vishnu will reincarnate through 10 Prophethoods and will preach on the universal and omnipotent value of NAAM. (the Holy Life Force)"
4. In DHIGVAJEH PURANA
"During the reign of the 8 Muslim rulers, Vishnu will incarnate in 10 human forms and after them will appear a (Mona) SILENT Guru (meaning the SGGS, the Sikh Scripture) who will only respond where the response is solicited."
The word SILENT is of great importance - it refers to the Sikh Scriptural Book (SGGS). This is the first time in the history of Religion that a Sacred Book was elevated to the status of a Prophet. Unlike a Prophet in body form with the inherent capacity to make utterances, a Book has to be categorized as being basically 'Silent'. This is indeed a startling revelation, pinpointing the coming into the world of a (mona) Silent Guru, thousands of years before the actual occurrence.
The eight Muslim Rulers were 1. - Sultan Lodhi, 2. - Babar, 3. - Humanyuh, 4. - Akbar, 5 - Jehangir, 6 - Shah Jahan, 7 - Aurangzeb, 8 - Bahadur Shah, These precisely were the Rulers in India during the period in which the 10th Sikh Guru came into being. This further emphasizes the authenticity of the revelation and the happening.
5. Through PATANJALI the great Indian (Hindu) Sage
Patanjali, one of the top Indian Yogis of old, came 2180 years before Guru Nanak. In his Ashram while lecturing on the Prophets of the Kali Yuga, the Iron Age, he singled out Guru Nanak as the one who will be outstanding. When asked what will be his prime mantra, He replied. -
"Wahyanti karyanti jathputi athak etwaha brahamadeya, teisah Gur et WAHEGURU"
meaning
"He will use a unique single syllable mantra which has not been utilized before at any Age or Era. This will be WAHEGURU."
Waheguru mantra, which means "Lord of Wonderment" has since been popularised by Guru Nanak and all the nine other Sikh Gurus that followed him.
6. In VISHNU PURANA
In the VISHNU PURANA there is recorded an interesting dialogue between VISHNU and a famous Rishi UMBREEK. Vishnu is said to have informed Umbreek that he will once again take birth in the Kali Yuga. The Rishi then enquired when about will that be and what will be your name then? Vishnu replied that this will happen when the Kali Yuga has proceeded for 4500 years and that I will take birth in the Shatri Sooraj Bansi clan, when I will be named, NANAK.
In this same Purana it is further recorded: -
"Sri Nanak santang saageaami
Sri asech, sri asech, sri asech, sri asech"
meaning
"Sri NANAK will once again appear in the world in a variety of incarnations; this is for sure, this is for sure, this is for sure."
Computing the date of Guru Nanak's birth from the above mentioned figure that took place when the Kali Yuga had proceeded for 4550 years, reckoning the total durations of Kali Yuga now to be about 5090 old. It is to be noted that this figure of 4550 is pretty close to the 4500 years predicted by VISHNU JI above. Incidentally, the clan in which Guru Nanak was born was also known as a Shatri Sooraj Bansi indicated above.
CONCLUSION
From the above it is evident that Guru Nanak must have had the largest number of premonitional references to his coming compared to the advent of the other Prophets in all the various Ages and Epochs. Therefore the Prophet Guru Nanak's advent into the world is indeed of millennial significance to even the coming future times.
General Clarification : Members are advised to support their arguements with valid references before posting. Please be a little more careful in future. Thank You
Anyways I will first answer your questions from first post.
1. Our response to this is and what it means is that it further proves that Hinduism is a religion from God, which we believe and you guys don't believe.
Now i ask you, What is your response to this? wat does it mean?
I suggest before you start posting quotes, you should convince your mind to not believe it or else your just contradicting your own religion. LOL.
anyways about the ten gurus.
1. In the Hindu epic the RIG VEDA
(i) In Mandala 7, Ush 5, Mantra 5 and Chapter 6
"Bee chakram prithoi aishai ta khestraaeh Vishnu mansai das sayaan
throvaah so asaya keeryo janaas oeroo khashatra so janama
chakaar (8)"
meaning
"when in the world the sinful ways will be on the rise and noble behavior will vanish, as the disappearance of the moon when on its wane on the darkest night, there will appear Vishnu as a prominent Prophet from the Keshatra Clan and will manifest in consecutive form through 10 Prophets to bring back the ways of virtue to the ailing world."
(ii) In the same Vedas, in another part even in the name NANAK and the clan he belongs to is recorded thus -
"Sri Nanak gureng vareng saklaath heythoo. Heitha samasth jagathaa va veithee kaetheng"
meaning
"For the preaching of religious ways and the earning of good karma, there will manifest Guru NANAK from the clan of the Veithees"
(iii) At another position in the same Vedas is entered under Mandala 1 Soothak 5 and in the 7th Mantra thus -
"Eeth eethei Vishnu reinn chakramei threihaa nathathei patham"
meaning
"The Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three attributes. As an Avtar propounding Truth, as a Householder establishing family life and at the same time be a Raja Yogi"
2. The YUJAR VEDA
As in the RIG VEDA quoted above, in the YUJAR VEDA also the Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three main characteristics thus -
"Vishnu bee chakrageih treithaa neikthei patham samudhseiaa paaeh
serei swahaa"
meaning
"Vishnu will appear again, manifesting three main characteristics, Avtarhood, Householder family life and be a Rajah Yogi as well"
Although in the above two quotations the name of Nanak does not directly appear, reference to being a householder family man, would point to him because he was among the first few Avtars (prophets) who was married and begetting children.
Incidentally in Hindu mythology, VISHNU is the primordial Godhead Prophet, who incarnates on Earth taking many differing forms and the ensuing names thereto.
3. In the BHAVEKHATH PURANA
"BHAVEKHATH" means "future foretelling". There are numerous places in this famous Hindu epic where the advent of Guru NANAK is directly alluded to. These instances are listed hereunder -
(i)
"Theraa bhaareng thereshtwah keli krethem maha krethyaa. Aeveng vaee
tharam parchaariang bhavekhthee thaa kalau. Thatha vei
loka rakheiaartheng maleishana naas heithwei paschmeitlheng subh
theisay vath wensei chei Nanaka naam nach rekhiang brahem
geaanaik manas bhavekhet kaloe skunth thatar verth kaleaah har (35)."
meaning
"In the Kali Yuga when goodness in the world is deteriorating there
will appear a Prophet from the Beithi clan named NANAK
who from birth will be endowed with extra-ordinary spiritual power.
He will preach on the nobility of life and the eradication of
the sinful ways"
(ii) In another portion of this book the following short cogent quotation supplies further pertinent information on the advent of Nanak
"Guru thaa Brahma, Guru raa Vishnu, Guru raa dev maheshra saakhyaar
Parbrehem Thasmei NANAK nameh"
meaning
"The Guru of the prophets, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv ji is God
almighty himself. This very Creator will manifest itself as a human,
in the form of one whose name will be NANAK
Note the clarity and explicitness in which the coming of Nanak is predicted.
(iii) Further down in this book is recorded the following detailed assertiveness about Nanak and the type of mission and work he shall perform. It appears to emanate from the Godhead itself.
"The Kali Yuga shall dawn on Earth with radical manifestation of destruction of Karma and Dharma to such an extent that every situation shall be colored by sinful activities. At that distressful moment, the Creator shall send down a spiritual luminary in the form of NANAK from the Khatria clan. He will spread the message of NAAM, the Holy life Force, by introducing the primacy of meditation and thus washing clean the sinful ways by the waters of love."
Note the beautiful and comprehensive description of the happening.
(iv) There is yet another quotation from this same Bhavekhath Purana indicative of Nanak and the 9 prophets that consecutively followed his lineage : -
"When in the world there is the deterioration of noble Dharma, then Vishnu will reincarnate through 10 Prophethoods and will preach on the universal and omnipotent value of NAAM. (the Holy Life Force)"
4. In DHIGVAJEH PURANA
"During the reign of the 8 Muslim rulers, Vishnu will incarnate in 10 human forms and after them will appear a (Mona) SILENT Guru (meaning the SGGS, the Sikh Scripture) who will only respond where the response is solicited."
The word SILENT is of great importance - it refers to the Sikh Scriptural Book (SGGS). This is the first time in the history of Religion that a Sacred Book was elevated to the status of a Prophet. Unlike a Prophet in body form with the inherent capacity to make utterances, a Book has to be categorized as being basically 'Silent'. This is indeed a startling revelation, pinpointing the coming into the world of a (mona) Silent Guru, thousands of years before the actual occurrence.
The eight Muslim Rulers were 1. - Sultan Lodhi, 2. - Babar, 3. - Humanyuh, 4. - Akbar, 5 - Jehangir, 6 - Shah Jahan, 7 - Aurangzeb, 8 - Bahadur Shah, These precisely were the Rulers in India during the period in which the 10th Sikh Guru came into being. This further emphasizes the authenticity of the revelation and the happening.
5. Through PATANJALI the great Indian (Hindu) Sage
Patanjali, one of the top Indian Yogis of old, came 2180 years before Guru Nanak. In his Ashram while lecturing on the Prophets of the Kali Yuga, the Iron Age, he singled out Guru Nanak as the one who will be outstanding. When asked what will be his prime mantra, He replied. -
"Wahyanti karyanti jathputi athak etwaha brahamadeya, teisah Gur et WAHEGURU"
meaning
"He will use a unique single syllable mantra which has not been utilized before at any Age or Era. This will be WAHEGURU."
Waheguru mantra, which means "Lord of Wonderment" has since been popularised by Guru Nanak and all the nine other Sikh Gurus that followed him.
6. In VISHNU PURANA
In the VISHNU PURANA there is recorded an interesting dialogue between VISHNU and a famous Rishi UMBREEK. Vishnu is said to have informed Umbreek that he will once again take birth in the Kali Yuga. The Rishi then enquired when about will that be and what will be your name then? Vishnu replied that this will happen when the Kali Yuga has proceeded for 4500 years and that I will take birth in the Shatri Sooraj Bansi clan, when I will be named, NANAK.
In this same Purana it is further recorded: -
"Sri Nanak santang saageaami
Sri asech, sri asech, sri asech, sri asech"
meaning
"Sri NANAK will once again appear in the world in a variety of incarnations; this is for sure, this is for sure, this is for sure."
Computing the date of Guru Nanak's birth from the above mentioned figure that took place when the Kali Yuga had proceeded for 4550 years, reckoning the total durations of Kali Yuga now to be about 5090 old. It is to be noted that this figure of 4550 is pretty close to the 4500 years predicted by VISHNU JI above. Incidentally, the clan in which Guru Nanak was born was also known as a Shatri Sooraj Bansi indicated above.
CONCLUSION
From the above it is evident that Guru Nanak must have had the largest number of premonitional references to his coming compared to the advent of the other Prophets in all the various Ages and Epochs. Therefore the Prophet Guru Nanak's advent into the world is indeed of millennial significance to even the coming future times.
General Clarification : Members are advised to support their arguements with valid references before posting. Please be a little more careful in future. Thank You
Dear Muslim,muslim said:
Are you looking for "proof" of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)'s divintiy in the HINDU VEDAS ??
Indirectly then you admit that the VEDAS/HINDU religion is from GOD ?
ALL these ancient "texts" including the Bible/Koran were NOT written down by their AUTHORS and not authneticated by them. The accounts were ORALLY PASSED DOWN..from A to B to C to D to E and then witten down by F/G/H etc.and come down to us adulterated and watered down..and so vague that we can interpret them any way we like...proof is in the pudding of hundreds of scholars and their interpretations.
Oral Traditions change in an "hour"...there is a Management Game in which Top Executives sit in a room, and one exec is asked to Whisper a "message" into his neighbour's ear....and He must then whisper what he heard to his neighbour and so on until the last person...who will SAY the MESSAGE OUT LOUD to the whole group...in 100% cases what the Last person says is SO MUCH DIFFERENT from what the FIRST person whispered..that it is sometimes ludicrous and funny to say the least. IF this can happen in an hour insde a small room..just imagine what will happen to "divine" messages after hundreds of years of getting passed down by MEN.
Even thoug SinghGurr has given the so called prophecies about Guru nanak in the Vedas, to the SIKHS these hold no importance whatsoever...to US GURU JI is DIVINE and He doesnt need any "passport or visa " from any others to get accepted by us as DIVINE...WE KNOW HE IS DIVINE. Period.
Jarnail Singh.
drkhalsa
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- Sep 16, 2004
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Absolutely right Gyani ji for a follower of guruji each and every mment gives evidence of their divinity so we dont need any scripture 's help for this
but any way SINGHGUR has given very interesting read ,and it is always so when it comes to hindu scriptures
just joking Jatinder Singh
http://www.ahya.org/amm/modules.php?name=Lectures&d_op=viewdownload&cid=22
Please do click on the link above to listen to a lecture by Dr Zakir Naik on this issue. As he will do justice to it whereas i will not. Oh yeah remeber the article from answering islam umm there is a debate between a writer from the team of answering islam and dr zakir naik, please try to spend some time listening.
Please do click on the link above to listen to a lecture by Dr Zakir Naik on this issue. As he will do justice to it whereas i will not. Oh yeah remeber the article from answering islam umm there is a debate between a writer from the team of answering islam and dr zakir naik, please try to spend some time listening.
CaramelChocolate
SPNer
Since my comments were ignored I shall post them again.
I asked a Swami about this as I had seen such claims on a website, he said 2 things:
1. They are baseless as it is hard or people to get hold of Hindu scriptures to check, and people often believe things blindly.
2. Hindu scriptures were not written down after ages and there authenticity is to be doubted, and often people add things to the scriptures according to the time or their advantage.
I asked a Swami about this as I had seen such claims on a website, he said 2 things:
1. They are baseless as it is hard or people to get hold of Hindu scriptures to check, and people often believe things blindly.
2. Hindu scriptures were not written down after ages and there authenticity is to be doubted, and often people add things to the scriptures according to the time or their advantage.
vijaydeep Singh
SPNer
Akal Sahai,
Muslim brother tend to follow q TV more.
Anyway das just want to say as an active member of Sangh Parivar
as per them,Rasools actual name was Mahdev,Holy Qabba is Shiv Linga,Allah is mother Godess,Kuran is Athrava Veda.
They give reference to Bhai Bala Janam Sakhi,
Man what do want to prove?
Is idoloatpry of hindus is OK,Say Hinduism is a form of Islam,So no Hindu may become Muslim but if Muslims becomes Hindu it is OK.
Banda(Das) is sorry but fact is that as per Rigveda(sunni Missioanries agree to it),God is Called Illya,Which is taken for Ilahi.
do not fall in the trap of calling Jesus or Rasol to be incarnation of Vishnu as Vishnu in Sikhism is what Satan is in Islam(Refer Dasham Granth).
Muslim brother tend to follow q TV more.
Anyway das just want to say as an active member of Sangh Parivar
as per them,Rasools actual name was Mahdev,Holy Qabba is Shiv Linga,Allah is mother Godess,Kuran is Athrava Veda.
They give reference to Bhai Bala Janam Sakhi,
Man what do want to prove?
Is idoloatpry of hindus is OK,Say Hinduism is a form of Islam,So no Hindu may become Muslim but if Muslims becomes Hindu it is OK.
Banda(Das) is sorry but fact is that as per Rigveda(sunni Missioanries agree to it),God is Called Illya,Which is taken for Ilahi.
do not fall in the trap of calling Jesus or Rasol to be incarnation of Vishnu as Vishnu in Sikhism is what Satan is in Islam(Refer Dasham Granth).
BabbarSher
SPNer
Dear SinghGur:
Your effort is appreciated BUT we dont need the Vedas and the Puranas to tell us that sikhism is a divine religion or that Guru Nanak Ji and the latter Gurus established a niara panth.
You have given a reference to the first quote:
"In Mandala 7, Ush 5, Mantra 5 and Chapter 6 "
But therafter you have abstained for giving and references of where I can find the original text.
This is a cheap gimmick on part of some people to gain respect for their scriptures and I request you to not fall for it.
Riga Veda and others are now available online and have been translated by a variety of authors. Even the original script is available. Surely someone of us would be knowing Sanskrit and we can get this verified.
NOTE: I will request the Moderators that if we are not able to verify these texts a WARNING NOTE be ATTACHED at the end of this thread, displaying the SPN's point of view.
Your effort is appreciated BUT we dont need the Vedas and the Puranas to tell us that sikhism is a divine religion or that Guru Nanak Ji and the latter Gurus established a niara panth.
You have given a reference to the first quote:
"In Mandala 7, Ush 5, Mantra 5 and Chapter 6 "
But therafter you have abstained for giving and references of where I can find the original text.
This is a cheap gimmick on part of some people to gain respect for their scriptures and I request you to not fall for it.
Riga Veda and others are now available online and have been translated by a variety of authors. Even the original script is available. Surely someone of us would be knowing Sanskrit and we can get this verified.
NOTE: I will request the Moderators that if we are not able to verify these texts a WARNING NOTE be ATTACHED at the end of this thread, displaying the SPN's point of view.
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Noted !! We will definitely try to be more careful in future. Thanks for the suggestion.
Hello all. I've read references to Guru Nanak being prophecied beforehand in religious writings, but I haven't been able to find any of these alleged prophecies. For instance, this webpage, http://www.hinduwebsite.com/sacredscripts/rig_veda_book_7.htm, has the Rig Veda, and in book 7, I am unable to find any reference to Guru Nanak. I can understand translational issues or perhaps the claim that the prophecies were removed, but what is the real case here? Here's another webpage which makes reference to these alleged prophecies,
http://www.hinduweb.org/home/sikh/rverma/ksgill.html. So, what I'm trying to get at is this, were there pre-Nanak prophecies which could at least be interpreted as referring to him, or weren't there? Thanks for any help.
http://www.hinduweb.org/home/sikh/rverma/ksgill.html. So, what I'm trying to get at is this, were there pre-Nanak prophecies which could at least be interpreted as referring to him, or weren't there? Thanks for any help.
BabbarSher said:
BhagatSingh
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- Apr 24, 2006
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the 4 vedas were there before religions so they dont belong to any religion but hindus try to claim them as their own (rig ved etc)
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