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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheSikhRenaissance" data-source="post: 225548" data-attributes="member: 23670">"I have come to this conclusion because I have analyzed the Granth objectively..."There is no way any rationale human can make this conclusion. The arrogance is stinking to high heavens."Kabir however did not write a philosophy at all, neither did Nanak or any of the other writers of the Granth..Your definition of philosophy excludes common sense."They simply made observations concerning the same thing."They write of metaphysical truths excluding the organic senses so this assertion is also disqualified."This entity is known as the Sat Gur that exists in all people, placed there by the creator, and its nature is of Gurmat, and it provides messages known as Gur Parsad or Shabad or Amrit."If by your earlier rationale they made observations than this is a contradictory point because what is within cannot be impartially measured anyhow at the metaphysical level invalidating your entire claim because you invalidate the impartial and not relative yardsticks provided by the SGGS.The whole Satgur is within you nonsense is also invalidated by Gurbani:ਬਿਬੇਕ ਬੁਧਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਪਾਈ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੇਰਾ ॥ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਮਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਸੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮਾਹਿ ਸਮਾਨਾ ॥ ਇਹ ਬਾਣੀ ਜੋ ਜੀਅਹੁ ਜਾਣੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਰਵੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥Irrespective of whatever misinterpretation you give this verse, it proves Satguru is an externality.ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਉ ॥ਨਾਮੇ ਰਾਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਉ ॥੫॥ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਤੇ ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾਤਾ ॥ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਸਿਆ ਸੁਖਦਾਤਾ ॥ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਬਾਣੀ ਨਾਮੇ ਰਾਤਾ ॥੬॥ਮੇਰਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਲਾਏ ਤਾ ਕੋ ਲਾਗੈ ॥ਹਉਮੈ ਮਾਰੇ ਸਬਦੇ ਜਾਗੈ ॥ਐਥੈ ਓਥੈ ਸਦਾ ਸੁਖੁ ਆਗੈ ॥੭॥Satguru is an externality, provided by the Guru Granth Sahib. Naam is the internal purification process. These are the metaphysical applications but hey! Neo-missionaries aren't known for their intelligence and nor boomers."Current Sikh values are not what is observed by Nanak and Kabir and the writers of the Granth. The values for them to be valuable to a person according to the Granth, have to be derived from their Sat Gur and be of gurmat otherwise the ideas are manmat."Blase words you have no understanding of yourself. You sound like a boomer. Sit down and retire from online. Your irrelevant generation has already caused enough damage.</blockquote>

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