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OH, how convinient, a selective debate, you left out my second proof that Humane treatment exists on a gradient! (it was the punchline)...a retort should be a complete one...dont get sloppy on me.

 

 

actually i ran out of my stash this morning :{;o:...im quite comfortable on my academic pedestal...i think ill stay up here a little longer.

 

 

 

 

hmmm ... think about that...desired states love to change

 

 

 

 

thats where you are wrong...you just like to pretend you are different. :wink:

 

and now we are so off topic that the picture doesnt even matter to you anymore...my objective is completed! (If I am not mistaken I think you must be experiencing a change in desire?)

if violence is reality, non violence is also a reality.

now you're getting it...the state of violence cannot exist without non-violence and the sate of non-violence is meaningless without a state of violence. YING and the YANG