Sikh News Sikh Refugees Demand Indian Citizenship

[Vikram singh]

Wed, Feb 24 02:10 PM
Amritsar, Feb 24 (ANI): Following the brutal beheading of two Sikhs by Taliban in Pakistan, refugee Sikhs, hailing from Peshawar in Pakistan living in Amritsar have demanded that they should be given citizenship so that they can live in India safely with their families.
The refugee Sikhs expressed that their families and relatives in Peshawar and other tribal areas are under severe threat from Taliban and repatriation will cost them their lives as well.
About 60 Sikh families from Pakistan have taken refuge in Amritsar for the last couple of years.
Fearing intimidation from Taliban, the minority community has asked for adequate security from the Indian Government.
"Our mother, father, brothers and sisters are still living in Peshawar. It has been almost 15-16 years that we have been living here in India. We are happy here but our relatives back home are facing a tough time," said Sardar Singh, a refugee.
"It has been 15 years since we came to Punjab, but we haven't got citizenship as yet. Thus we can't even bring our relatives from Pakistan here," he added.
A few Sikh families hailing from Pakistan, particularly from the rebel-controlled areas of Peshawar, have settled in India's northern Punjab state and established their business here.
"People there tell our folks to leave and go to Punjab and people in Punjab say that you are foreigners. I ask which is my country. Am I a citizen of Pakistan, India or Afghanistan?" Sardar Singh questioned.
The Sikh refugees said that they approached the government several times and even sent request letters but many of them are still to get the Indian citizenship.
"We demand that the Indian government should give us citizenship so that we can bring our relatives here from Peshawar. We want them to live a safe and secure life, with their brothers here," said Satbir Singh, another refugee.
Thousands of Sikhs living in Pakistan's tribal belt adjoining Afghanistan have been trading in the region for generations.
In May 2009, the Sikhs joined an exodus of hundreds of thousands of people fleeing the Taliban stronghold of Swat Valley, when the army launched an offensive in as a peace pact with the militants broke down. By Ravinder Singh Robin (ANI)
ANI

 

[kee_jaana_mein_kaun]

ANI is a false pro Indian and anti Pakistani and anti Khalistani channel.

From the above article Robin wants to convey that Sikhs are unsafe in "all" Pakistan which is not true .Not a single person is safe in Taliban controlled territory.If hundreds of Sikhs and Hindus have left Taliban area then thousands of muslims have also left that area.

Although we do not believe in the discrimination based on religion but since BJP was falsely showing sympathy with Sikhs ,now they should pay the 10 million Rupees ransom demanded by Taliban for release of the hindu computer engineer Robin Singh.

His father has asked India as well as the International community to get his son released.

The question is what was the computer engineer doing in that territory?
Similarly what are the 10,000 indian troops doing in Afghanistan ?

Aren't they indirectly responsible for the murder of the 2 Sikhs by Taliban ?

 

[kee_jaana_mein_kaun]

Now you people will say these Americans are also paid agents ?

YouTube- Alex Jones American Analyst Exposing Mumbai Attacks

YouTube- Mumbai Attacks Plans to break up Pakistan Exposed in Alex Jones Show Part 1- 2

YouTube- Mumbai Attacks Plans to break up Pakistan Exposed in Alex Jones Show Part 2- 2 Final

YouTube- THE TRUTH BEHIND THE MUMBAI ATTACKS part 3

 

[kee_jaana_mein_kaun]

The same Mosaad tactics are going to be used against the Sikhs by the hindutva forces as Mosaad is already training Punjab police.

Major Shrikant Purohit used "muslims" for his nefarious activities.There were reports as soon as Purohit was caught that he had contact with Israel and was learning the Chinese language also !

Mosaad angle is clear.This has started raising doubts about killing of the 2 Sikhs also.

Who did it ?

 

[RRSINGH]

Dear "Ki Janna Tu kaun",

Is hatered towards Hindus is the only answer you have when reacting on what happened in NWFP? Will you be more happy if Congress shows sympathy towards what happened than BJP or Akali Dal? The formation of your dream "Khalistan" was not ended by BJP or Hindus but the Congress who initiated it in fact. Please stop living in fools' paradise and try to recognize the reality. You are more sympathetic towards Taliban and Pakistan than the brethren we lost to their barbarism.

It seems like you have some exclusive internal information from somewhere that India has ten thousand troops stationed there in Afghanistan!! Even the arch enemy of India Pakistan has never blamed India for such things. You are trying to trick people to believe that Taliban killed Sikhs due to imaginary Indian army? Sad to see that your falsehood is given space on this site. Maybe, that is why you call yourself "Ki Janna Main Kaun??"

I used to think that the site SPN is more spiritual and social and not the podium for disgruntled and over-clever people who wants hate to finish whatever is left. Let Punjab and Sikh live in peace, please. Thanks.

RRS

PS: You can call me a Hindu or BJP or RSS. It will be no price for speaking the truth as it is. True Sikh is one who has courage to speak against the hate and lies.

 

[spnadmin]

RRSINGH ji

Please reconsider any decision to leave SPN. It is true we have given space to someone who has comported himself as you describe. On the other hand, please also realize/consider that on many threads, other members, moderators and admin have consistently made the same arguments that yourself make above.

A blanket of hatred suffocates any hope for reason to thrive.

Your reaction is a logical reaction.

At SPN we do give nearly everyone enough space and significant amounts of time to think through the feedback they get. Perhaps we are too lenient. Perhaps we give too much latitude for personal expression of views. But at the end of the day, this exhibition of bias and animosity is resolved according to SPN forum guidelines. This situation will be also resolved.

 

[RRSINGH]

Quote posted at SPN

Is SPN endorsing this Quote posted by Mr. Balwinder Singh at the end of his comments?



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[spnadmin]

Re: Quote posted at SPN

RRSingh ji

No we are not endorsing the quote which is in the forum member's signature. And when there are violations of terms of service in a signature, then we actually edit the signature. But first we do try to ask that the member remove it.

The signature quote that you quoted above is not a TOS violation, but the member's opinion. He is not breaking any other rule in that signature such as attacking a person, or proselytizing, etc.

 

[kee_jaana_mein_kaun]

Dear "Ki Janna Tu kaun",

Is hatered towards Hindus is the only answer you have when reacting on what happened in NWFP? Will you be more happy if Congress shows sympathy towards what happened than BJP or Akali Dal? The formation of your dream "Khalistan" was not ended by BJP or Hindus but the Congress who initiated it in fact. Please stop living in fools' paradise and try to recognize the reality. You are more sympathetic towards Taliban and Pakistan than the brethren we lost to their barbarism.

It seems like you have some exclusive internal information from somewhere that India has ten thousand troops stationed there in Afghanistan!! Even the arch enemy of India Pakistan has never blamed India for such things. You are trying to trick people to believe that Taliban killed Sikhs due to imaginary Indian army? Sad to see that your falsehood is given space on this site. Maybe, that is why you call yourself "Ki Janna Main Kaun??"

I used to think that the site SPN is more spiritual and social and not the podium for disgruntled and over-clever people who wants hate to finish whatever is left. Let Punjab and Sikh live in peace, please. Thanks.

RRS

PS: You can call me a Hindu or BJP or RSS. It will be no price for speaking the truth as it is. True Sikh is one who has courage to speak against the hate and lies.

Who kiled 40 Sikhs at Chhatisinghpora,Kashmir on the eve of President Clinton's visit to India ?
Read Clinton's Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's book and you'll know.

There are 10,000 Indian troops in Afghanistan to protect the road contruction workers and engineers.They are there for some other purpose.

Just today Pakistan has blamed India for interfering in Balochistan.Although the media may lie there is no evidence but truth remains truth.

The barbarians in Pakistan have killed more than 5000 Pakistanis since 2008 and maimed and injured more than 12000 since 2008.Im quoting this as you are seeing Taliban and Pakistanis as same.They have 26/11 almost daily.Pakistanis in fact blame India for training "Taliban" .You can search on the web

Whereas the barbarians in India have killed 2 lakh Sikhs.
Your own Indian newspapers have claimed that colonel Shrikant Purohit ,the hindu terrorist leader in fact had contact with Israelis in other words the mosaad.The affinity between mosaad and hindutva forces is an open secret.

If you are really a Sikh(even if you support RSS) then you should know that the same mosaad tactics could be used against you or me also some day because the motive of RSS is "Hindi,Hindu,Hindustan"Mosaad is already training Punjab police .For what ?

Whereas the motive of Khalistan which you hate so much is "Sarbat daa bhaalaa" although GOI and the Indian media has tried it's best to malign the movement and the Sikhs as terrorists but truth always remains the truth.It has to come out ultimately and as a Sikh it is every Sikhs duty to have the courage to speak against the hate and lies

No country in this world can bring peace on the graves of other people(a whole generation of Amritdharis was finished in Punjab).

Jews suffered a similar holocaust but that resulted in a country Israel.

Even if India kills more Sikhs in Punjab the demand for sovereignity will not end.It is ridiculous to see people in Indian media claiming breaking up of Pakistan and then living in peace when 40,000 kms of India itself are under the control of naxalites.The naxal problem has resulted because of people of RSS thinking.

Suppose Khalistan movement is suppresed in Punjab naxalism will rise so long as the rightful demands of Sikhs are usurped by the center.

In the end mosaad may use it's tactics on the hindutva forces itself as they dont care about India or Pakistan and will in fact arm both to fight against each other .They along with USA only consider China as a threat.

In fact a right thinking hindu with id gkhkumar has asked all right thinking people of India and the world to save his country(India) from the hindu fanatics and fascists.You can search for this id on youtube

 

[kds1980]

Suppose Khalistan movement is suppresed in Punjab naxalism will rise so long as the rightful demands of Sikhs are usurped by the center.

What a joke Naxalism = communism and it means Punjab's Rural farmers will loose their land
and no Farmer in his right mind of state will give up his worth rupees millions even he has to give his life or take other people's life.Naxalism is spreading in only those area's where people are extremely poor and don't have any resource in their hand

 

[RRSINGH]

ki janna main kaun

Mr. Ki Janna Main Kaun,

There is no doubt in my mind that you are fanatic Muslim and agent provocateur of Pakistan using this site to incite emotions of peace loving and brave Sikhs with your lies. History of Sikhs tells us who our enemies are and who killed our Gurus and children. Guru Gobind Singh created us to fight the atrocities your ancestors had committed on us. Your lies are not only bothersome but sickening. Tomorrow you will say the Prime minister of India is not Sikh but a agent of Hindutva forces! Shame!

RRS

 

[kee_jaana_mein_kaun]

What a joke Naxalism = communism and it means Punjab's Rural farmers will loose their land
and no Farmer in his right mind of state will give up his worth rupees millions even he has to give his life or take other people's life.Naxalism is spreading in only those area's where people are extremely poor and don't have any resource in their hand

Farmers are already losing their land in Punjab.They are already committing suicides due to wrong policies of the govt.
Bihari labour is not only settling in lakhs in and around major cities of Punjab but also the govt is giving them land,making voter cards for them for getting votes.

Where does this labour come from ?Where is the area effected by Naxalism ?

Answer this and now reply.

If the trend continues then in a few years Punjab will become "Hindab" or "Bhaiyaastan" .This is what the RSS and Hindutva forces want.

 

[kee_jaana_mein_kaun]

Re: ki janna main kaun

Mr. Ki Janna Main Kaun,

There is no doubt in my mind that you are fanatic Muslim and agent provocateur of Pakistan using this site to incite emotions of peace loving and brave Sikhs with your lies. History of Sikhs tells us who our enemies are and who killed our Gurus and children. Guru Gobind Singh created us to fight the atrocities your ancestors had committed on us. Your lies are not only bothersome but sickening. Tomorrow you will say the Prime minister of India is not Sikh but a agent of Hindutva forces! Shame!

RRS

I am a Sikh but Im sure you are some agent of RSS and the hindutva forces who is paid to call anyone who does not agree with your views as a Pakistani agent.

We have had many spineless Sikhs Zail Singhs,Darbara Singhs,Beant Singhs and similar people Manmohan Singh is not the first.

Please list Manmohan Singh's contribution towards Punjab ?

It is a shame that even during the so called Sikh PMs tenure not a single perpertrator of the 1984 anti Sikh genocide could be punished.

It is a shame that during a Sikh PMs tenure the parliament could not express regret for the massacres even once.

It is a shame not a single anti Sikh dera wala could be arrested for even 5 minutes,let alone punish them.

It is a shame that Sikh PM could not solve the France turban problem

The so called Sikh PM is being used by some one else to promote their own agenda.Zail Singh was also used in a similar way.The difference is Zail Singh was an illiterate whereas Manmohan Singh is not only an literate but an economist also.So he knows better what he is doing and is doing everything purposely or under some pressure.

Manmohan Singh has been made PM to mislead the world that there is no Sikh problem since a PM is a Sikh.

It is the narayanans,menons with secret control of the hindutva forces who are running this country according to their own agenda.

All of the forces and high positions in India are held by these cunning fascist forces. Insults and negative presumptions directed against another forum member have been deleted. Narayanjot Kaur

 

[kee_jaana_mein_kaun]

Re: ki janna main kaun

Mr. Ki Janna Main Kaun,

There is no doubt in my mind that you are fanatic Muslim and agent provocateur of Pakistan using this site to incite emotions of peace loving and brave Sikhs with your lies. History of Sikhs tells us who our enemies are and who killed our Gurus and children. Guru Gobind Singh created us to fight the atrocities your ancestors had committed on us. Your lies are not only bothersome but sickening. Tomorrow you will say the Prime minister of India is not Sikh but a agent of Hindutva forces! Shame!

RRS

RRS,

Go and read Sikh history again and find who Chandu,Gangu,Baidhaar day raajay,Lakhpat,Jaspat etc were .

As far as moghals are concerned they were no one's friends.They were fanatics and believed in converting every one to Islam by hook or by crook.

But who were their informers who got our Gurus and Sahibzaaday's shaheed ?

You need to read the Sikh history once again after taking off the spectacles which RSS and so called Indian demoncrazy has put on your eyes.You need to read it again in an unbiased and neutral way.

Sikhs are brave and peaceful but have never tolerated any direct or indirect interference in our religion. deleted.
Moghals gave so much "laalach" to our Gurus and Sahibzaadays to renounce Sikhism but they preferred death to interference in their religion whereas people like you are doing that voluntary and deleted.

Truth always brings anger and I can see that in your writings.

Insults and negative presumptions directed against another forum member have been deleted. Narayanjot Kaur

 

[spnadmin]

Re: ki janna main kaun

kee__jaana__mein__kaun ji

As stated many times before: SPN values your deep knowledge of the political dynamics and history of a difficult situation. We do not value your repeated insulting of those SPN members who disagree with you.

You are working your way toward our pre-moderation of everything you post. This is an action that is not taken lightly, as that is not our favorite way of disciplining a member. We prefer personal reflection and self-editing.

 

[RRSINGH]

Re: ki janna main kaun

Thank you for your outburst. I have not expressed any of my thoughts as yet but asked you a few questions regarding who the real enemy is? You are so obsessed with Hindutava that the blindness seems the only clarity to you. The whole of India is suffering with something or the other. Does that means you go out and kill people to establish your own personal fiefdoms under the name of different religions and political thoughts? Violence begets violence remember that. Who are these Darbara Singhs and Zail Singhs? They were the member of Congress and not RSS. What Congress has done to India is irreparable but cursing Hindutva for it is outright lie.

There maybe people who love India as much as you love your Khalistan. If lies, violence and hate is justified means for you to achieve your Khalistan then what is wrong for the other party to stop it with all the means it has? Your violence can not be better than other party's violence, never.. ever. This is my last reply to the hate you are spreading here in collision with SPN. Narayanjot Kaur ji is posting u-tube sites to justify what you are saying with terrorism and its definition. I wish you all the best for living in the darkness and inviting others to join you. Being or labeled a all loving RSS or Hindu is many times better than becoming a hate and violence monger. Sat Sri Akal!

I am a Sikh but Im sure you are some agent of RSS and the hindutva forces who is paid to call anyone who does not agree with your views as a Pakistani agent.

We have had many spineless Sikhs Zail Singhs,Darbara Singhs,Beant Singhs and similar people Manmohan Singh is not the first.

Please list Manmohan Singh's contribution towards Punjab ?

It is a shame that even during the so called Sikh PMs tenure not a single perpertrator of the 1984 anti Sikh genocide could be punished.

It is a shame that during a Sikh PMs tenure the parliament could not express regret for the massacres even once.

It is a shame not a single anti Sikh dera wala could be arrested for even 5 minutes,let alone punish them.

It is a shame that Sikh PM could not solve the France turban problem

The so called Sikh PM is being used by some one else to promote their own agenda.Zail Singh was also used in a similar way.The difference is Zail Singh was an illiterate whereas Manmohan Singh is not only an illitrate but an economist also.So he knows better what he is doing and is doing everything purposely or under some pressure.

Manmohan Singh has been made PM to mislead the world that there is no Sikh problem since a PM is a Sikh.

It is the narayanans,menons with secret control of the hindutva forces who are running this country according to their own agenda.

All of the forces and high positions in India are held these cunning fascist forces.May be people like you will realise this when it is too late or may be you are actually a part and parcel of these forces.

 

[kds1980]

Farmers are already losing their land in Punjab.They are already committing suicides due to wrong policies of the govt.
Bihari labour is not only settling in lakhs in and around major cities of Punjab but also the govt is giving them land,making voter cards for them for getting votes.

Where does this labour come from ?Where is the area effected by Naxalism ?

Answer this and now reply.

If the trend continues then in a few years Punjab will become "Hindab" or "Bhaiyaastan" .This is what the RSS and Hindutva forces want.

Give me a break.Are you saying that Punjab govt is forcibily taking farmers land and giving it to bihari's? This is the first time I ever heard this.Farmer's suicide is different issue, many more Hindu farmers have committed suicide in Andhra and vidharbha than sikh Farmers in Punjab.Your posts are always one thing to say that everything is happening in Punjab is conspiracy of RSS .If I go by your logic then the condition of rural sikhs must be worst than Starving poors of Orissa

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/punjab/25579-up-bihar-labourers-find-jobs-home.html

Please read the above thread that I posted months back and this was from worldsikhnews.com If that site is also controlled by RSS then I can't do anything

 

[kee_jaana_mein_kaun]

Re: ki janna main kaun

Thank you for your outburst. I have not expressed any of my thoughts as yet but asked you a few questions regarding who the real enemy is? You are so obsessed with Hindutava that the blindness seems the only clarity to you. The whole of India is suffering with something or the other. Does that means you go out and kill people to establish your own personal fiefdoms under the name of different religions and political thoughts? Violence begets violence remember that. Who are these Darbara Singhs and Zail Singhs? They were the member of Congress and not RSS. What Congress has done to India is irreparable but cursing Hindutva for it is outright lie.

There maybe people who love India as much as you love your Khalistan. If lies, violence and hate is justified means for you to achieve your Khalistan then what is wrong for the other party to stop it with all the means it has? Your violence can not be better than other party's violence, never.. ever. This is my last reply to the hate you are spreading here in collision with SPN. Narayanjot Kaur ji is posting u-tube sites to justify what you are saying with terrorism and its definition. I wish you all the best for living in the darkness and inviting others to join you. Being or labeled a all loving RSS or Hindu is many times better than becoming a hate and violence monger. Sat Sri Akal!

RRS,

There is nothing that incites hatred and violence in my posts.

It is like Shiv sena Punjab and BJP objected to some posters in Delhi which mentioned a political rally in Punjab saying they incited violence and hatred but after the rally has taken place they are quite now.

I only asked some questions which I think are hard for you to answer,so instead of answering you call me hate mongerer.

If I have posted some youtube videos of recordings from various TV channels and which I have not manufactured at home.You should watch them and let me know which things were wrongly mentioned or which of them are propoganda or which were objectionable ?We can discuss that.

If speaking the truth is propoganda or hate mongering then I cant say anything.

 

[kee_jaana_mein_kaun]

For Admin : I would not think of breaking any rules here but please let me know if there is any way to address a person other than "naming" him/her ?

How to address a person who has asked a question ?

 

[kee_jaana_mein_kaun]

Give me a break.Are you saying that Punjab govt is forcibily taking farmers land and giving it to bihari's? This is the first time I ever heard this.Farmer's suicide is different issue, many more Hindu farmers have committed suicide in Andhra and vidharbha than sikh Farmers in Punjab.Your posts are always one thing to say that everything is happening in Punjab is conspiracy of RSS .If I go by your logic then the condition of rural sikhs must be worst than Starving poors of Orissa

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/punjab/25579-up-bihar-labourers-find-jobs-home.html

Please read the above thread that I posted months back and this was from worldsikhnews.com If that site is also controlled by RSS then I can't do anything

Believe me or not everything is a deep rooted RSS and hindutva conspiracy .In other words what the media is feeding youngsters in Punjab,drugs,porn,lachar songs,farmer's debts,unrestricted bihari migration to Punjab,misinterpreting of Sikh history,Sikh Gurus,Sikh holy scriptures,control over Sikh institutions,control over Punjab politics etc are all part of this .I can give you so examples of RSS interference in Sikhism which will take the form of a booklet .By the way everything is there on the net and youtube.Search for "RSS and Sikhism" and then have patience to watch ALL parts of the videos.

Agenda is clear : Hindi,Hindu,Hindustan with the help of Fascism.They are finding it difficult with muslims as muslims in their own communities and ghettos ,are more united than Sikhs and are not influenced by this RSS propoganda.

Whereas Sikhs are thin skinned and easily venerable as Sikhs believe in "Unity of Mankind" and "Sarbat daa bhalaa" so in the name of "accomodating others","liberal values","fake hindu Sikh unity" etc they are doctrinating the younger generation so that they automatically start hating the Sikhi swaroop and start believing they are part of Hindus.For this they have published books which depict Sikh Gurus along with not only hindu devis/devtays but also INDRA GANDHI !

You can see the pictures and the RSS agenda on the following website :

SikhLionz.com: Who is the RSS?

RSS is doing it silently with the help of the govt hence no one senses their activities whereas if they there is strong reaction to their activities they call the opposing faction "anti national", "Pakistani agents","Anti Hindu","enemies of Hindu Sikh unity","violent","terrorists" etc.These same words were recently used by RSS agent Ashutosh bihari at Ludhiana against Sikhs.

I just read the article you have quoted so what is there to rejoice at the unrestricted migration of the biharis to Punjab ?They can stay here ,work and go back but the successive govts in connivence with hindutva forces and BJP are giving them ration cards and permanent residence status here.This is further creating an imbalance between various communities.In the coming years due to such an influx there will be Bihari CM in Punjab which we can not tolerate.

Will Biharis allow a Punjabi Sikh CM in Bihar ?Im not talking about governor.

As regards the farmers of Punjab their land is forcibly taken and given to big business houses like trident and then they are told they will get compensation.After that they have run after the govt for compensation or given less compensation.

Apart from that most farmers are in debt due to wrong policies of the govt which are favourable only for arhatias(money lenders) who again are from the bahman bania clan .

You seem more worried about vidharba ,orissa and andhra than punjab.It may be due to wrong policies of those states and central govts that they are suffering.By the way in which state are you ?

This fake concern for other states considering them as "ours" is of no use.

If you really not a RSS supporter then you can discuss regarding RSS and it's activities.

Just remember the main agenda of RSS is :

"HINDI,HINDU,HINDUSTAN" .Everything else stems from that slogan only.