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Re: Sikhi - End Game


Ambarsaria ji,

Perhaps the problems we face are misunderstood, meaning what we think is the problem isn't the problem and thus the solutions that are being implemented do not address what the actual problem is.


I am not living in the past as I do understand the situation in 2012. What I am doing is encouraging an understanding of the past, a correct understanding of the past so that solutions to modern problems can be tackled under the guidance of the correct understanding. The past allows us to understand who we are and if we don't understand that then we don't understand much.


 From the Hindu perspective there is now no need to join the Khalsa military order.



Not too sure what that means any more. It seems it's apparent meaning is not its actual meaning.


Hindu can mean one whose ancestors are from the Hind (India).


Hindu can also mean one who follows Hinduism. But Hinduism is not a religion, it is a collection of traditions (with differing philosophies, perspectives, practices, etc). You cannot technically follow Hinduism. So Hindu in the sense of following Hinduism is a meaningless label. Now Hinduism has this guru-sikh propagation mechanism whereby a sikh seeks a guru under whose guidance he can learn about the guru's tradition, his particular philosophy, beliefs and set of practices and work through it to make his life better and to achieve mukti. All the various traditions were spread by gurus this way. E.g. the Bhakti tradition in Northern India: Guru Ramanand ji passed on his beliefs to his sikhs, one of which was Bhagat Kabir (who never became a Guru), and Bhagat Kabir ji along with other Bhakti saints passed on the Bhakti tradition to Guru Nanak Dev ji who passes them down to Guru Angad Dev ji and so on. Remember the tradition is spreading so there are other Gurus and Sants who are propagating these beliefs throughout North India. Guru Nanak and his successors start to gain more popularity however especially when the latter 5 enter into politics and military.


Bhagat Kabir ji (1440–1518) was the Sikh of Guru Ramanand ji (1400-1476), who was the Sikh of Guru Raghavanand ji (or Acharya Raghavanand), who was the Sikh of... (don't know at this point)... they followed the Vishitadvaita philosophy of Guru Ramanuja ji (or Ramanujacharya; 1017-1137) who was the Sikh of Guru Kancipurna ji and so on and so forth.


Sant Ramanand ji as he is referred to, was a significant proponent of the Bhakti movement in Northern India, he influenced a lot of people. His disciples include the following Bhagats whose bani is in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji: Dhanna ji , Pipa ji, Ravidas ji, Sain ji. The beliefs of Guru Nanak Dev ji and his successors can be traced back as such. It is a continuing tradition.


This is the reality of the situation.



I am sorry was it not the Hindus who were saving Sikhs from the mobs aroused by a few Congress party members. I am sorry was it not the 20% Sikh Indian army (with a Sikh General) who were given the task to flush out the militants. I am sorry was it not the Sikh Punjab police who set-up the curfew, and who were going around looking for militants.


Things are not as black and white as you make them to be Ambarsaria ji. Look at ALL of the details.


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