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Ambarsaria ji,

Guru Fateh.

You write:

We are all here to interact and at times our emotions take the better of us. We are all guilty of that but it is part of the learning process. So, nothing to worry about it.

   I do not think if the Adminstrators mind if you suggest something that should be mended in SRM. In my view, the readers are reminded of SRM by the Administrators so we do not make rules out of the blue which may be anti Gurmat.

You write:
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Ambarsaria ji. Now you are doing nothing but playing Dr. Ruth (I have no idea if you have someone like that in Canada or in The UK, Please Google her if you do not know who she is. BTW, she is a famous sexologist in the US with a sexy accent:redturban. To be honest, I have no idea what your point is above. Ofcourse Sikhs make mistakes, hence the name Sikh. However, pre-marital sex is not a mistake but a deliberate action of immorality if one follows the teachings of Gurbani. In my view, the question by Learner 55 has nothing to do with Sikhi values but his own desire to look like a Sikh and behave on the contrary to its core values. You and I know how easy it is to look like one.

From Sikhi viewpoint, I am afraid it is. But outside Sikhi,who cares? Let me ask you a blunt question. Would you encourage your own daughter or sister who are single to do this in the name of Sikhi?
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</td></tr></tbody></table>Ambarsaria ji, no one is talking about mistakes which are part and parcel of life. Of course no one is perfect but that is not the point here. What do you understand by the word "Transgression"? Could you please share with us if you see it differently than what the dictionary states?

[FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]trans·gres·sion[/SIZE][/FONT] (trns-grshn, trnz-) [SIZE=-2]KEY[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]NOUN:[/SIZE]

A violation of a law, command, or duty: "The same transgressions should be visited with equal severity on both man and woman" (Elizabeth Cady Stanton). See Synonyms at breach.
The exceeding of due bounds or limits.
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/transgression

Is breaking of a moral law that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji teaches us dandy with you? Please do not take this as an offence. I am just trying to understand your thought process in this case.

<table width="" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset">    My post:
So, it is not a question of premarital sex but our moral compass also teaches us how to avoid adultery and rapes and do good.   </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
I beg to differ with you. Learner55 did ask a moral question. Read his question again. He said that intoxicants are forbidden but nothing is said about pre-marital sex. He wants to have fun with pre-marital sex in the name of Sikhi. No one is stopping Learner55 to have fun. Learner can have as much fun as much he wants but Sikhi has nothing to do with it. Sikhi has no such slogan based on pre-marital sex and Ambarasaria ji, I am no one nor in any position to tell you all this. Deep down you know all this.

   Of-course it is. "The Anand Karaj" between the two animals in the guise of mating calls is a divine act.

But, in our Human-Animal kingdom we enjoy this beauty in the confines of our Sikhi moral laws, otherwise, neither you nor I would call our parents as such if they were not married before conceiving us.

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 156187" data-attributes="member: 138"><p>Ambarsaria ji,</p><p></p><p>Guru Fateh.</p><p></p><p>You write:</p><p></p><p>We are all here to interact and at times our emotions take the better of us. We are all guilty of that but it is part of the learning process. So, nothing to worry about it.</p><p></p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I do not think if the Adminstrators mind if you suggest something that should be mended in SRM. In my view, the readers are reminded of SRM by the Administrators&nbsp; so we do not make rules out of the blue which may be anti Gurmat.</p><p></p><p>You write:</p><p>&lt;table style=&quot;width: 36px; height: 25px;&quot; class=&quot;MsoNormalTable&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;0&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot;&gt; &lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;border: 1pt inset; padding: 0.75pt;&quot;&gt;</p><p>&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;</p><p></p><p>Ambarsaria ji. Now you are doing nothing but playing Dr. Ruth (I have no idea if you have someone like that in Canada or in The UK, Please Google her if you do not know who she is. BTW, she is a famous sexologist in the US with a sexy accent:redturban<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />. To be honest, I have no idea what your point is above. Ofcourse Sikhs make mistakes, hence the name Sikh. However, pre-marital sex is not a mistake but a deliberate action of immorality if one follows the teachings of Gurbani. In my view, the question by Learner 55 has nothing to do with Sikhi values but his own desire to look like a Sikh and behave on the contrary to its core values. You and I know how easy it is to look like one.</p><p></p><p>From Sikhi viewpoint, I am afraid it is. But outside Sikhi,who cares? Let me ask you a blunt question. Would you encourage your own daughter or sister who are single to do this in the name of Sikhi?</p><p>&nbsp;&lt;table class=&quot;MsoNormalTable&quot; style=&quot;width:0in;mso-cellspacing:0in&quot; width=&quot;0&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;0&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot;&gt; &lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr style=&quot;mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes&quot;&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;border:inset 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:inset windowtext .75pt;&nbsp;&nbsp; padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt&quot;&gt;</p><p>&nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt; &lt;/table&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;table class=&quot;MsoNormalTable&quot; style=&quot;width: 3px; height: 3px;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;0&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot;&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr style=&quot;mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes&quot;&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;border:inset 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:inset windowtext .75pt;&nbsp;&nbsp; padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt&quot;&gt;</p><p></p><p>&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;Ambarsaria ji, no one is talking about mistakes which are part and parcel of life. Of course no one is perfect but that is not the point here. What do you understand by the word &quot;Transgression&quot;? Could you please share with us if you see it differently than what the dictionary states?</p><p></p><p><strong>[FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]trans·gres·sion[/SIZE][/FONT]</strong>&nbsp; <a href="http://education.yahoo.com/ref/dictionary/audio/t/0318200.wav" target="_blank"><img src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/t/pron.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a>&nbsp; (tr<img src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/abreve.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />ns-gr<img src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/ebreve.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />sh<img src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/prime.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/schwa.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />n, tr<img src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/abreve.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />nz-) [SIZE=-2]<a href="http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/pronunciation_key" target="_blank">KEY</a>[/SIZE] </p><p></p><p>&nbsp;<span style="font-family: 'arial'">[SIZE=-1]<strong>NOUN:</strong>[/SIZE]</span></p><p>&nbsp;</p><ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol"> A violation of a law, command, or duty: <em>&quot;The same transgressions should be visited with equal severity on both man and woman&quot;</em> <em>(Elizabeth Cady Stanton).</em> See Synonyms at <a href="http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry?id=B0463500" target="_blank">breach</a>.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol"> The exceeding of due bounds or limits.</li>
</ol><p><a href="http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/transgression" target="_blank">http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/transgression</a></p><p></p><p>Is breaking of a moral law that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji teaches us dandy with you? Please do not take this as an offence. I am just trying to understand your thought process in this case.</p><p></p><p>&nbsp; &lt;table width=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;1&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot;&gt; &lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt; &lt;td class=&quot;alt2&quot; style=&quot;border:1px inset&quot;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; <span style="font-size: 10px">My post:</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">So, it is not a question of premarital sex but our moral compass&nbsp; also teaches us how to avoid adultery and rapes and do good.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </span>&lt;/td&gt; &lt;/tr&gt; &lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt; </p><p>&nbsp;I beg to differ with you. Learner55 did ask a moral question. Read his question again. He said that intoxicants are forbidden but nothing is said about pre-marital sex. He wants to have fun with pre-marital sex in the name of Sikhi. No one is stopping Learner55 to have fun. Learner can have as much fun as much he wants but Sikhi has nothing to do with it. Sikhi has no such slogan based on pre-marital sex and Ambarasaria ji, I am no one nor in any position to tell you all this. Deep down you know all this.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Of-course it is. &quot;The Anand Karaj&quot; between the two animals in the guise of&nbsp; mating calls is a divine act.</p><p></p><p>But, in our Human-Animal kingdom we enjoy this beauty in the confines of our Sikhi moral laws, otherwise, neither you nor I would call our parents as such if they were not married before conceiving us.</p><p></p><p>Thanks &amp; regards</p><p></p><p>Tejwant Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 156187, member: 138"] Ambarsaria ji, Guru Fateh. You write: We are all here to interact and at times our emotions take the better of us. We are all guilty of that but it is part of the learning process. So, nothing to worry about it. I do not think if the Adminstrators mind if you suggest something that should be mended in SRM. In my view, the readers are reminded of SRM by the Administrators so we do not make rules out of the blue which may be anti Gurmat. You write: <table style="width: 36px; height: 25px;" class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style=""><td style="border: 1pt inset; padding: 0.75pt;"> </td></tr></tbody></table> Ambarsaria ji. Now you are doing nothing but playing Dr. Ruth (I have no idea if you have someone like that in Canada or in The UK, Please Google her if you do not know who she is. BTW, she is a famous sexologist in the US with a sexy accent:redturban:). To be honest, I have no idea what your point is above. Ofcourse Sikhs make mistakes, hence the name Sikh. However, pre-marital sex is not a mistake but a deliberate action of immorality if one follows the teachings of Gurbani. In my view, the question by Learner 55 has nothing to do with Sikhi values but his own desire to look like a Sikh and behave on the contrary to its core values. You and I know how easy it is to look like one. From Sikhi viewpoint, I am afraid it is. But outside Sikhi,who cares? Let me ask you a blunt question. Would you encourage your own daughter or sister who are single to do this in the name of Sikhi? <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width:0in;mso-cellspacing:0in" width="0" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes"><td style="border:inset 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:inset windowtext .75pt; padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"> </td></tr></tbody> </table> <table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 3px; height: 3px;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr style="mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes"><td style="border:inset 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:inset windowtext .75pt; padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"> </td></tr></tbody></table>Ambarsaria ji, no one is talking about mistakes which are part and parcel of life. Of course no one is perfect but that is not the point here. What do you understand by the word "Transgression"? Could you please share with us if you see it differently than what the dictionary states? [B][FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]trans·gres·sion[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [URL="http://education.yahoo.com/ref/dictionary/audio/t/0318200.wav"][IMG]http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/t/pron.jpg[/IMG][/URL] (tr[IMG]http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/abreve.gif[/IMG]ns-gr[IMG]http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/ebreve.gif[/IMG]sh[IMG]http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/prime.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/schwa.gif[/IMG]n, tr[IMG]http://l.yimg.com/a/i/edu/ref/ahd/s/abreve.gif[/IMG]nz-) [SIZE=-2][URL="http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/pronunciation_key"]KEY[/URL][/SIZE] [FONT=arial][SIZE=-1][B]NOUN:[/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [LIST=1] [*] A violation of a law, command, or duty: [I]"The same transgressions should be visited with equal severity on both man and woman"[/I] [I](Elizabeth Cady Stanton).[/I] See Synonyms at [URL="http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry?id=B0463500"]breach[/URL]. [*] The exceeding of due bounds or limits. [/LIST] [URL]http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/transgression[/URL] Is breaking of a moral law that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji teaches us dandy with you? Please do not take this as an offence. I am just trying to understand your thought process in this case. <table width="" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> [SIZE=2]My post: So, it is not a question of premarital sex but our moral compass also teaches us how to avoid adultery and rapes and do good. [/SIZE]</td> </tr> </tbody></table> I beg to differ with you. Learner55 did ask a moral question. Read his question again. He said that intoxicants are forbidden but nothing is said about pre-marital sex. He wants to have fun with pre-marital sex in the name of Sikhi. No one is stopping Learner55 to have fun. Learner can have as much fun as much he wants but Sikhi has nothing to do with it. Sikhi has no such slogan based on pre-marital sex and Ambarasaria ji, I am no one nor in any position to tell you all this. Deep down you know all this. Of-course it is. "The Anand Karaj" between the two animals in the guise of mating calls is a divine act. But, in our Human-Animal kingdom we enjoy this beauty in the confines of our Sikhi moral laws, otherwise, neither you nor I would call our parents as such if they were not married before conceiving us. Thanks & regards Tejwant Singh [/QUOTE]

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