Your welcome !
That's ok .. perhaps one day you will !
Life as it were was, once without mind, it was a process of the interaction between matter n energy described by the laws of physica n chemistry. Nevermind, moving on, has this spirit got a homeland, make, model, shape, colour, status,etc...body n mind can be quantitatively n qualitatively communicated, what of spirit ? I mean, does it die, what happens at and after death ?
Why is it in the Gurbani ? [pls don't feel intimidated or indoctrinated, I'm probing for valid qualifications - you're the future of Sikhi].
Is there another Ishna ?
The Gurbani's source is not Nanak - Baba Ji is telling Lalo, "I'm not composing, its coming direct [dhur] from AP". And, how sweet when you study the original scriptures at Kartarpur, there you find the whole gurbani written in a continuous chain system of writing wherein in all the words in a line are joined together, but why ? Because when AP spoke through Nanak [conductor of energy or as an instrument through which energy flowed] it was to be captured live, direct from the source without human [mind] intervention. The subjective element of "form" [grammer, punctuation, etc] was avoided to record it as "objective" as it could be and to space word it, would've meant the engagement of the mind thus making it subjective/objective.
Thank you Guru Ji, never got it as good as this when at uni as an undergraduate philosophy/law student. But hey, this really helps and pretty candidly put.
...you may forget your mother, she won't [separation, the serverance of the one from the other, umbilical chord], from a physical view point. The mool [origin] is what underrpins Sikh thought and how the soul separated from Ikonkar, from a spiritual view point [an ideology, Sikh, you dont have to accept].
- think back to your earliest memory.
- Now project forward to the day of your death. Although, it's impossible to know when this will come, but it certainly will.
What you have just surveyed might be called your "life-span", or the time when this entity you call your "self" exists. Either side of that life-span is there something ? Indeed, it will be very mysterious if there weren't anything because modern humans have existed for more than 100,000 years or so, and more than 100,000 billion have already lived and died, what of their spirit, where did that go or where did it come from in the first place?
What is it that gives rise to a subjective sense of self made of matter and energy ?
There are two paths to unravel this mysterious sense of the self and they are; physical and spiritual.
Physical
Scientists explain that the self must be a collective property of the neurons in your brain, which have mostly stayed with you throughout life, and which will cease to exist after you die. This bundle of neurons have made a permanent home within your bodily frame which has given rise to a subjective sense of selfhood and has labelled it self "IG". This IG bundle is unique [there is only 1 Ishna] and cannot occupy another space [consciousness] at the same time (01-09-2015) and therefore can only recall experiences which the bundle has gone through within that IG frame (body).
Spiritual
Things we can touch have no permanence [this world is not real, read hymns of 9th master]. There is nothing we can hold on to in this physical world of matter, only by letting go can we truly possess what is real. This intuitive sense of self is an effortless and fundamental human experience. But is nothing more than an elaborate illusion [maya]. The real self is formless and is both within and without - it is inconceivable. The mind has created this sense of the subjective self [IG] - let go and you will begin to feel the real [anhad shabd].
Our primary purpose is to move away from the physical perceptions and conceptions, only then can we experience the "absolute" self - the one without form.
Who might they be ? Suerly not the authors of SGGSJ for they shun physical existence as temporary, illusionary [maya] and untrue [koor]..kiv sachara hovi'ay kiv kura tuta pal [Ang 1, pauri 1] ?
Young Lady, what material is the spirit ? Besides, we don't have to believe in electricity, we can see the evidence in the light bulb, nor, do we have to believe in other forces of nature to reinforce their very existence. Take gravity for example, we experience it in our everyday life. Similarly, if you were to believe in the spiritual you, you may bump into Chaz on a spiritual excursion, ha !
Ang 1123 says, ਚਉਥੇ ਪਦ ਕਉ ਜੋ ਨਰੁ ਚੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਹੀ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਇਆ II God's abode - again, it's a question of belief and not interpretation. From what I read so far [your train of thought] - situation n circumstance have over time brought you to a point where you have begun to see through your own shades the Sikhi you believe. Stick to it, why grease a wheel that aren't squeaking.
Oh come on ! You're the brave new world ! Remember the wise words of Admin Singh, "unity in diversity" - Aussie Sikhi [you] American Sikhi [Veer, TSM] and UK Sikhi [Chaz, H n me] - lethal {censored}tail, Nanak n the gang are probably somersaulting on account having found universal trustees.
