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Message: <blockquote data-quote="labhdig" data-source="post: 225786" data-attributes="member: 5209">Thanks for your response! I'll try to answer from my understanding what you have asked about the post. (just a little curious as to why you keep referring to SGGS as AGGS?)First a small addition to my previous note- The freewill does not change the destiny but it changes the experience of it, therefore, makes the desire of changing the destiny unnecessary. It is the most empowering gift given by God making human life precious. (Think of all Shaheed Singh, Singhania, Sahibzaade who left the world without being miserable and in Chardi Kala.)---------------------- Gurbani calls ‘being in self’ as being in Nij Ghar, Thir ghar. Thir ghar baiso har jan piyare. In my limited understanding of small part of Gurbani I have contemplated on, the closest word that probably means freewill is MANNIYA- where it means ‘to apply’.Jinni sun kai mania tina nij ghar vaas – SGGS, Ang  Take the example of life being a bhav-sagar. The person getting thrashed by waves is the human experiencing life. Boat is the Guru. Hearing Guru tell how to get on the boat is Grace. Getting on board is your freewill. Sitting on the boat and seeing waves play its drama is being in Nij ghar and transcending Maya. If from being Spiritual means to be in your own true home/state, then yes, in my understanding, the freewill comes to be useful only after you have become spiritual and have an enlightened Guru to guide you.-------------------------- In my view, God does not give anything partially. So, the destiny and freewill both are absolute but our use of freewill can be binary or partial. Manmukh- the one who uses manmatt- When life is driven by mind, all choices are made with guidance coming from the mind that is polluted over many incarnations, the destiny is fully experienced. The person does not know he has freewill. It is as good as not having any freewill. Jeewan Mukta – sits in Nij Ghar all the time. Though the destiny (prarabdha) is unfolding, it has no effect on him. The destiny goes on like a burnt rope that looks like a rope but has no strength in it. It is as good as not having any destiny. Gurmukh – the one who uses gurmatt– starts walking the way Guru has shown. Practices being in the Nij ghar and therefore, has access to gurmat when he needs it. As he practices, the mind starts to become purer changing the perception/response to conditions and situations in life. The Guru helps him on his way until he becomes strong enough and learns to be in Nij ghar with Sahaj. He is using freewill and changes his experience of destiny. In all scenarios, the destiny goes on as it is prewritten. The freewill is used to be in the state of true Self. Likhia lekh na mete koi Gurmukh mukt karavanya – SGGS, ANG 109 -----------------------  Dukh daroo sukh rog bhayiya- SGGS, Ang 469 A surfer will not look for a boat while surfing. However, only when the waves become bigger and constant, when the surfboard breaks and he gets tired, he will look for rescue.When we are in ignorance and live in our false self, false identity, there is no awareness as to what is real self is. We are comfortable in our dream world. Dukh, not one but relentless, constant Dukh become daaroo that wake us up. It is only in hindsight, we realize those were not dukh but blessings to get us home.</blockquote>

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