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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ExploringSikhi" data-source="post: 192579" data-attributes="member: 19734">Harmanpreet Ji, your questions about explaining/justifying verses could all be answered by Muslims, I have already said that I do not wish to discuss Islam on this forum. One other thing I hope you remember is that I am a non-Muslim, I do not agree with everything in the Qur'an, there are verses in there that, even after reading the explanations, I still disagree with. You should read some of the justifications from Muslims, not from me, I am not an authority. I disagree with a lot of what has been said since my last post in this thread, some of it I know is 100% false, however, as I have already mentioned, people can take up their Islam inquiries with someone else. One thing in your post did stick out to me, and I will talk about it because it ties in with Sikhi. This part here:  I will not argue with you on it being shirk, let us assume (rightfully or wrongfully, because I am not 100% sure) that you are correct, that Farid, and by extension the other "Muslim" contributors in Guru Granth Sahib were committing shirk. You do realize that if this is true, it takes them out of the folds of Islam, right? If they were committing shirk, then they were not Muslims. This is important to point out because every Sikh I have met to date has told me that they were all Muslims. But going by your reponse, they were not and judging by the "appreciations" your post got, it seems like you are not the only one to hold that opinion. If this is the case, then Sikhs need to stop calling these men Muslims. It is intellectual dishonesty to refer to Farid, Kabir and co. as Muslims when it is to your advantage, you know, when telling non-Sikhs about how Sikhism is the "only major religion in the world to have writings from members of OTHER religions (Islam and Hinduism) in it's holy scripture, look how tolerant and inclusive Sikhism is!", and then, when downplaying Islam, insist that they were committing shirk, and by implication, were not "real Muslims." And by the way, if this is true for the "Muslim" contributors of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, I also have my suspicions about whether the "Hindu" contributors were "real" Hindus or not. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't. There are 2 possibilities: a) The Muslims contributors to Guru Granth Sahib were not in fact "real" Muslims, in which case Sikhs need to stop referring to them as such when trying to prove Sikhism's "openness" to non-Sikhs, you then no longer have the right to state that Guru Granth Sahib has any Islamic writings within it's pages, or... b) Farid, Kabir and the rest WERE "real Muslims" (not committing shirk), in which case, I would like to ask the SPN members who seem to think that Muslims are brainwashed, that Islam makes people brain dead, why they are proud to have the writings of these brain dead men in their holy scripture? Why they are proud to have one of these brain dead men lay the founding brick of the Harmandir Sahib? And most importantly, what they think of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, who for some reason decided it would be a good idea to have one of these brain washed men as his best friend and most trusted companion. Reading through this thread, it is obvious who these members are. Either way, you can't have your cake and eat it too.</blockquote>

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