Controversy Surrounding Prof Darshan Singh Ji
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Just read all of your thoughts - negative and positive about Darshan Singh Ji. Felt that we are all beating about the bush where the bush is not even present. Prof. Darshan Singh ji never meant that Guru Gobind Singh Ji was not the author of DG. Instead, he wanted to say that some portions have been inserted by the Hindu scholars just to keep maintaining the Hindu rituals hegemonic control (indirect form of) on Sikhs. I would not ponder whether he is right or wrong, but I would give you examples, which you can read and thus judge youself whether Guru Gobind Singh can write all these verses. The whole article is from an excerp of Devender Singh Sekhon which I happenned to locate on the net:
1. According to Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Waheguru never takes any physical form, he is formless and never born as a living being. The lines to support this faith are:
a) Ekonkar Sat Nam Karta Purkh Nirphau Nirvaer Akal Murat Ajuni Saibhang Gurprasad - by Guru Nanak Dev Ji
b) Roop na rekh na rang kich, trihu gun te prabh phin - Arjun Dev Ji\
c) Tudh roop na rekheya jaat tu verna bahra, eh manas jaane door tu verte zahra - Arjun Dev Ji
d) Chakar chihn er baran jaat er paat nahin jih, roop rang er rekh bhekh kouoo keh na sakat kih - Guru Gobing singh Ji
e) Sehus tuv nain none nain hai tohe, kaho sehus moorat nana ek tohi - Guru Nanak Dev ji
In Bichitra Natak, the God is descibed as having physical form which is very scary, unpleasant, and even ridiculous. In first chapter, 18<sup>th</sup> couplet,
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a) Krang baam chapyang kirpanang kralang. Maha tej tejang birajai bisalang.
Maha dahr dahrang su sohang aparang. Jinai cherbiang jeev jagyang hazarang
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Meaning: God holds a bow in His left hand and a terror-striking sword in His right hand. He is seated with a powerful bright light emanating from Him. With His huge jaws, He looks very impressive among living beings with big jaws. He has chewed down thousands of the living beings of the world.
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Again in 21<sup>st</sup> Couplet,
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b) Ghurang ghunghreyang dhunang navreyang.
Maha naad naadang surang nirbikhadiyang.
Siran maal rajang. Lakhe Ruder lajang
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Meaning: The bells around His ankles are ringing like a necklace of the foot, and are making a very loud noise. God has a garland of scalps around His neck which puts even god Shiva to shame.
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c) Maha gerj gerang. Sunne doot lerjang.
Servang sroan sohang. Maha maan mohang
Meaning: The messengers begin to tremble to hear the loud roar of God. Blood is flowing from His throat which is charming even the very proud
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d) Chatur bahu charang. Creeting su dharang.
Gada sankh chakarang. Dippe kroor bakarang
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Meaning: God has four beautiful arms. He is wearing a crown on His head, and is holding a gada (a spherical metallic fighting instrument), a conch, and a chakar ( a very sharp circular hollow disc)
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e) Dirh darh kral dvai sait udhang. Jih bhaj dushat bilok judhang
Madmat kirpan kral dharang. Jaya sadd sura suryang oochrang
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Meaning: God has two, tall, white, scary jaws which strike terror among the demons who flee the battle field. The intoxicated God holds a dreadful sword in His hand.
Both - the gods, and the demons - chant victory to Him.
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f) Sehsrachh jaako shubh sohe. Sehas pud jaake tan mohe.
Shesh Naag per soibo kare. Jagteh shekhsai oochrey
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It is clear from the few couplets given above that God has a definite physical form. Not only that, the God of the Naatak is shown more like a demon than a kind, affectionate, and fatherly Power. Why is He wearing a garland of human scalps around His neck, and why is blood flowing from His throat? Is He wounded, or does He drink blood? In either case, He is nothing like the God of Guru Nanak. This physical picture of God that has been painted, resembles the Hindu gods and goddesses shown in pictures, particularly Mata Kali, who is shown wearing a garland of human scalps, and who has blood flowing from her mouth. The conch, gada, and the chakra are the symbols of Vishnu and not of the God of Guru Nanak. In His Fifth Spiritual Form as Guru Arjun, Guru Nanak makes it very clear that being formless, God does not wear any of the above items.
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Na Sankhang na chakarang na gada na Siamang. Ascharaj roopang rahant janamang. Nate nate kathant Beda. Ooch Mooch Apaar Gobindeh.
(Sloak Sehaskriti M:5)
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Meaning: God is limitless, He is great and is beyond our reach. The Bedas say there is none like Him. He does not wear a conch, a chakar, nor a gada. And He is Not Siyam
(Krishan or Vishnu). He is amazing and never takes birth.
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Now how can the same Guru in His Tenth Spiritual Form can write that God has a physical form with all those characteristics. The God of Bachittar Naatak also has four arms, two large jaws, but thousands of eyes and feet. It is not clear why He has thousands of feet, but only two eyes. He wears an arrow, and a cannon. He sleeps on Sheshnaag, As we will discuss later, all these attributes are in complete contradiction of the Gurbani. Also, the enemies flee the battle field when they hear His roar. We wonder who His enemies are whom He scares with His roar! The God of this Naatak goes to sleep too. We wonder who runs the Universe at that time! The God in Guru Granth Sahib never goes to sleep. He is the only one who is awake all the time. All the attributes of the God of Bachittar Naatak are those of a living being which the Gurbani refutes strongly. The next two sacred words confirm that God is always awake.
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Ikko Satgur jagta hoar jag soota mohi piyas – Third Guru
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Paati torre malini paati paati jeeo. ----- Kabir Ji[/FONT]
Bhooli malini hai eho. Satgur jagta hai Deo
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Acording to Sekhon, it is clear that Guru Nanak’s God is completely different from the one described in the Naatak, and also from Guru Gobind Singh’s who writes in Jaap Sahib that God is completely without any form. How can anyone believe that the same Guru, who is also the tenth spiritual version of Guru Nanak, can write things like the ones written in the Naatak about God?
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From the description of God in the Naatak, only the following three conclusions are possible.
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1. The Tenth Master is not the author of Bachittar Naatak[/FONT]
2. Guru Gobind Singh had a different philosophy than Guru Nanak[/FONT]
3. The characteristics of God underwent a dramatic change from the time of Guru Nanak to Guru Gobind Singh[/FONT]
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Which of these is the correct conclusion? The judgment is left to you.
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There are number of instances he cites like the use of word KAAL instead of AKAL in Nattak, Creation of the Universe has a different philosophy in Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Nattak, Gods Characteristics different in Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Nattak. Hope this satisfies the curiosity of all.
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Just read all of your thoughts - negative and positive about Darshan Singh Ji. Felt that we are all beating about the bush where the bush is not even present. Prof. Darshan Singh ji never meant that Guru Gobind Singh Ji was not the author of DG. Instead, he wanted to say that some portions have been inserted by the Hindu scholars just to keep maintaining the Hindu rituals hegemonic control (indirect form of) on Sikhs. I would not ponder whether he is right or wrong, but I would give you examples, which you can read and thus judge youself whether Guru Gobind Singh can write all these verses. The whole article is from an excerp of Devender Singh Sekhon which I happenned to locate on the net:
1. According to Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Waheguru never takes any physical form, he is formless and never born as a living being. The lines to support this faith are:
a) Ekonkar Sat Nam Karta Purkh Nirphau Nirvaer Akal Murat Ajuni Saibhang Gurprasad - by Guru Nanak Dev Ji
b) Roop na rekh na rang kich, trihu gun te prabh phin - Arjun Dev Ji\
c) Tudh roop na rekheya jaat tu verna bahra, eh manas jaane door tu verte zahra - Arjun Dev Ji
d) Chakar chihn er baran jaat er paat nahin jih, roop rang er rekh bhekh kouoo keh na sakat kih - Guru Gobing singh Ji
e) Sehus tuv nain none nain hai tohe, kaho sehus moorat nana ek tohi - Guru Nanak Dev ji
In Bichitra Natak, the God is descibed as having physical form which is very scary, unpleasant, and even ridiculous. In first chapter, 18<sup>th</sup> couplet,
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a) Krang baam chapyang kirpanang kralang. Maha tej tejang birajai bisalang.
Maha dahr dahrang su sohang aparang. Jinai cherbiang jeev jagyang hazarang
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Meaning: God holds a bow in His left hand and a terror-striking sword in His right hand. He is seated with a powerful bright light emanating from Him. With His huge jaws, He looks very impressive among living beings with big jaws. He has chewed down thousands of the living beings of the world.
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Again in 21<sup>st</sup> Couplet,
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b) Ghurang ghunghreyang dhunang navreyang.
Maha naad naadang surang nirbikhadiyang.
Siran maal rajang. Lakhe Ruder lajang
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Meaning: The bells around His ankles are ringing like a necklace of the foot, and are making a very loud noise. God has a garland of scalps around His neck which puts even god Shiva to shame.
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c) Maha gerj gerang. Sunne doot lerjang.
Servang sroan sohang. Maha maan mohang
Meaning: The messengers begin to tremble to hear the loud roar of God. Blood is flowing from His throat which is charming even the very proud
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d) Chatur bahu charang. Creeting su dharang.
Gada sankh chakarang. Dippe kroor bakarang
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Meaning: God has four beautiful arms. He is wearing a crown on His head, and is holding a gada (a spherical metallic fighting instrument), a conch, and a chakar ( a very sharp circular hollow disc)
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e) Dirh darh kral dvai sait udhang. Jih bhaj dushat bilok judhang
Madmat kirpan kral dharang. Jaya sadd sura suryang oochrang
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Meaning: God has two, tall, white, scary jaws which strike terror among the demons who flee the battle field. The intoxicated God holds a dreadful sword in His hand.
Both - the gods, and the demons - chant victory to Him.
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f) Sehsrachh jaako shubh sohe. Sehas pud jaake tan mohe.
Shesh Naag per soibo kare. Jagteh shekhsai oochrey
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It is clear from the few couplets given above that God has a definite physical form. Not only that, the God of the Naatak is shown more like a demon than a kind, affectionate, and fatherly Power. Why is He wearing a garland of human scalps around His neck, and why is blood flowing from His throat? Is He wounded, or does He drink blood? In either case, He is nothing like the God of Guru Nanak. This physical picture of God that has been painted, resembles the Hindu gods and goddesses shown in pictures, particularly Mata Kali, who is shown wearing a garland of human scalps, and who has blood flowing from her mouth. The conch, gada, and the chakra are the symbols of Vishnu and not of the God of Guru Nanak. In His Fifth Spiritual Form as Guru Arjun, Guru Nanak makes it very clear that being formless, God does not wear any of the above items.
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Na Sankhang na chakarang na gada na Siamang. Ascharaj roopang rahant janamang. Nate nate kathant Beda. Ooch Mooch Apaar Gobindeh.
(Sloak Sehaskriti M:5)
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Meaning: God is limitless, He is great and is beyond our reach. The Bedas say there is none like Him. He does not wear a conch, a chakar, nor a gada. And He is Not Siyam
(Krishan or Vishnu). He is amazing and never takes birth.
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Now how can the same Guru in His Tenth Spiritual Form can write that God has a physical form with all those characteristics. The God of Bachittar Naatak also has four arms, two large jaws, but thousands of eyes and feet. It is not clear why He has thousands of feet, but only two eyes. He wears an arrow, and a cannon. He sleeps on Sheshnaag, As we will discuss later, all these attributes are in complete contradiction of the Gurbani. Also, the enemies flee the battle field when they hear His roar. We wonder who His enemies are whom He scares with His roar! The God of this Naatak goes to sleep too. We wonder who runs the Universe at that time! The God in Guru Granth Sahib never goes to sleep. He is the only one who is awake all the time. All the attributes of the God of Bachittar Naatak are those of a living being which the Gurbani refutes strongly. The next two sacred words confirm that God is always awake.
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Ikko Satgur jagta hoar jag soota mohi piyas – Third Guru
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Paati torre malini paati paati jeeo. ----- Kabir Ji[/FONT]
Bhooli malini hai eho. Satgur jagta hai Deo
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Acording to Sekhon, it is clear that Guru Nanak’s God is completely different from the one described in the Naatak, and also from Guru Gobind Singh’s who writes in Jaap Sahib that God is completely without any form. How can anyone believe that the same Guru, who is also the tenth spiritual version of Guru Nanak, can write things like the ones written in the Naatak about God?
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From the description of God in the Naatak, only the following three conclusions are possible.
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1. The Tenth Master is not the author of Bachittar Naatak[/FONT]
2. Guru Gobind Singh had a different philosophy than Guru Nanak[/FONT]
3. The characteristics of God underwent a dramatic change from the time of Guru Nanak to Guru Gobind Singh[/FONT]
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Which of these is the correct conclusion? The judgment is left to you.
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There are number of instances he cites like the use of word KAAL instead of AKAL in Nattak, Creation of the Universe has a different philosophy in Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Nattak, Gods Characteristics different in Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Nattak. Hope this satisfies the curiosity of all.
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Deepinder ji
Thanks for this interesting post. I have the full article, and there is another one very similar to it by the late Dr. Baldev Singh. Both may be posted somewhere on the forum. When I have an opportunity I will look for them and attach them to this post - with your permission.
You have given a very clear and succinct assessment of the problem. :thumbsupp:
Thanks for this interesting post. I have the full article, and there is another one very similar to it by the late Dr. Baldev Singh. Both may be posted somewhere on the forum. When I have an opportunity I will look for them and attach them to this post - with your permission.
You have given a very clear and succinct assessment of the problem. :thumbsupp:
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To ranghi 29...i think people like u r burden on sikhism .u look like talibani...u dont have stamina to discuss things ..bt u just want to impose.......u have no logic in saying darshan ji atheist... iif u kindly go through dasam garanth ...u may feel a great contradiction on guru ji own life history and wt has been mentioned in dasam granth.... this a conspiracy by few vested interest people to defame guru ji by mixing objectionale quotes in the dasam grath . bt we weak elements are just becoming victims and started fighting with each other. atleat hats off to darsan singh ji who showed courage to rectify few misleading quotes in dasam granth ...bt our so called selfish and dead brains will nt listen to him...see wt has happened to punjab .everyone is in mad race to cut hair and beard ...be it girl or boy...everyone is doing tht .... punjabis must focus on tht instead of attacking darshan singh ji who had spent life for sikhisim ..and this wt sikhs are repaying....shame on such elements<!--?"urn:
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mr rangi ..u must stop to be critical to respectable darshan singh ji , better go through dasam granth , which i dont think u cud have done ..if u ever read this u will find countless flaws in tht which actually contradicts tenth gurus own teachings and his personal life. just simple question to u ...guru ji himself never payed obesience at dasam granth ... he bowed only in front of guru granth sahib....secondly....sikhs went through tough periods in past ...during which some hindu scholars doctored dasam granth to the extent tht after reading u will conclude tht god has a big tongue out of his mouth and he is wearing garland of human skulls and blood is oozing out of his mouth...and so on....does this match our defination of god....there are so many such misleading quotes mixed by vested people to confuse sikhs and to benefit hindues ...the hindue pandits were loosing grip to fool people at the time of sikhs regime . as sikhs enlightened innocent people ..whom pandits were using to their benefit....and finally they took their revenage to put such things in dasam granth ....any sane person who read it ..will 100 and 1 percent doubt its credibilty...Hats off to darshan singh who showed courage to recity such faults....
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mr rangi ..any sane person will nt be critical of respectable darshan singh ji , better go through dasam granth , which i dont think u cud have done ..if u ever read this u will find countless flaws in tht which actually contradicts tenth gurus own teachings and his personal life. ...sikhs went through tough periods in past ...during which some hindu scholars doctored dasam granth to the extent tht after reading u will conclude tht god has a big tongue out of his mouth and he is wearing garland of human skulls and blood is oozing out of his mouth...and so on....does this match our defination of god....there are so many such misleading quotes mixed by vested people to confuse sikhs and to benefit hindues ...the hindu pandits were loosing grip to fool people at the time of sikhs regime . as sikhs enlightened innocent people ..whom pandits were using to their benefit....and finally they took their revenage to put such things in dasam granth ....any sane person who read it ..will 100 and 1 percent doubt its credibilty...Hats off to darshan singh who showed courage to recity such faults....<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
Re: Prof Darshan Singh Ji Ragi
Very soon you will see the changes of our religion. Hindu's will not stand any other Religion than Hindu how they are working to finish US. Sikh Com openrup your eyes. watch part 1,2,3,4
http://youtu.be/XhGYOHwrlbg
Very soon you will see the changes of our religion. Hindu's will not stand any other Religion than Hindu how they are working to finish US. Sikh Com openrup your eyes. watch part 1,2,3,4
http://youtu.be/XhGYOHwrlbg
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The CD is difficult to get hold of in UK but there is all the information now available. You have presented a worrying view of the problem – no doubt there is a worry but what solution do you offer?
I know Sikhs are 1-2% of Indian population and can’t play a numbers game. The teachings in Sikhi and SGGS are second to none and hurts no one. There are even Hindus who have read and agreed with it rather than Hindu Scriptures. I am not degrading any Scriptures but the Hindu Scriptures are too many, with too many beliefs – some contradictory – no clear direction and I find SGGS is the easier way to sift the necessary from Hindu and Islam religions. (GS Sidhu has written a book on the differences – Sikh Religion and Hinduism)
In my opinion the way it has to be tackled is two fold:
These issues need prioritising and necessary documentation provided and means of distributing and correspondence developed.
The CD is difficult to get hold of in UK but there is all the information now available. You have presented a worrying view of the problem – no doubt there is a worry but what solution do you offer?
I know Sikhs are 1-2% of Indian population and can’t play a numbers game. The teachings in Sikhi and SGGS are second to none and hurts no one. There are even Hindus who have read and agreed with it rather than Hindu Scriptures. I am not degrading any Scriptures but the Hindu Scriptures are too many, with too many beliefs – some contradictory – no clear direction and I find SGGS is the easier way to sift the necessary from Hindu and Islam religions. (GS Sidhu has written a book on the differences – Sikh Religion and Hinduism)
In my opinion the way it has to be tackled is two fold:
- Create at least one Sikh University outside of India (UK, Canada or USA etc.) to produce Khalse protectors of Sikhi and its teaching and Scriptures. They should have departments of comparative religion studies and verification of the documents under dispute. They should also provide means of educating ordinary Sikhs to a level that can allow them to be able to tell when distortions to Sikhi are being fed down their throat. A mass media (TV station?) communication to share with Punjab all Sikh issues (lack of this has led to the problems faced today) should possibly be a part of this institution.
- All Sikhs made aware of the message that only way to protect the Gift of our Gurus and their Sacrifices is to pay back by embracing Gursikhi and approach Khalsahood.
These issues need prioritising and necessary documentation provided and means of distributing and correspondence developed.
Davinder Dhanjal ji,
You are right on some point.
#1)Create at least one Sikh University outside of India (UK, Canada or USA etc.) to produce Khalse protectors of Sikhi and its teaching and Scriptures.
But first we have to work the ROOTS. Roots are our youths.
We are trying our best to show or share our Sikh History through Guru Gobind Singh Study Circle Canada's it's three day evening camp but we called asGurmat Crash courses on our Sikh history on Multimedia.
University's are good out side of India but we have to learned & understand the basic first.
As you mention In Punjab and 101% agreed with you.
Any TV Station or Radio station, how long they will put an effort at the end it is all comercial progran & they have to what is best for there channel's
same thing at the Gurudwara's what effort they are putting towards Sikhi
All they care out how much money is coming, how to fight, whom to banned
who will get the power. No Sikhi is in there mind.
So at the end I will say we have to stand together &work how save our ROOTs if we can
Bhul Chul Maaf
I do not Support your thoughts some one hacked in to my loging to support your thought so I am taking it back.
I Do not support your Thoughts. I do belive in Prof Darshan Singh Khalsa and he is the only one who can stand and doing so.
Bhul Chul Maaf
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Breed Calling others Clown, It shows what value you have in your life.
Sikhs are always open for discussion some you do not like lets talk calling by names doesn’t make you better than anyone else.<?"urn:<img src=" />
Thank you
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Its NOT "words"..its the ACTIONS that makes one a Clown...and actions speak louder than words. Clowns get laughed at.....not "attacked"....has any CLOWN been "attacked" ?? To my knowledge..none...but WARRIORS do get attacked..and they know how to defend themselves..as Prof darshan Singh Khalsa did. The Prof is a warrior equal to the likes of Baba deep Singh Shaheed, Bhai mani Singh Shaheed...and he has stood the TEST very well as the Continuing support from sangats worldwide show...while the clowns have been BOOED out ( one even left his Sri Sahib behind on the Table in South hall london recently )and the other supreme clown from parmeshar dwaar is not even worth the paper his advert is printed on.....
Sorry to be disappointed and nag in to your posts. Do you know meaning of Professor
I guess NO
It shows in your few lines who is the foolish one.
If you have any anger in side you Breed, Do some Path Simran, Sewa,
Basic three things in Sikhism by Guru Nanak dev ji
Naam Japu
Kirat Karo
Vaand shako
If you follows three things in your life, I can promise you , you will forget about The words Clown, Fools & Liar.
ਝਗੜਾਕਰਦਿਆਅਨਦਿਨੁਗੁਦਰੈਸਬਦਿਨਕਰਹਿਵੀਚਾਰੁ॥
Jẖagṛā karḏi▫ā an▫ḏin guḏrai sabaḏ na karahi vīcẖār.
They pass their nights and days in conflict and struggle; they do not contemplate the Word of the Shabad
ਸੁਧਿ[URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮਤਿ"]ਮਤਿਕਰਤੈਸਭਹਿਰਿਲਈਬੋਲਨਿਸਭੁਵਿਕਾਰੁ॥
Suḏẖ maṯ karṯai sabẖ hir la▫ī bolan sabẖ vikār.
The Creator has taken away all their understanding and purity; all their speech is evil and corrupt<?"urn:
Ḏiṯai kiṯai na sanṯokẖī▫ah anṯar ṯisnā baho agi▫ān anḏẖ▫yār.
No matter what they are given, they are not satisfied; within their hearts there is great desire, ignorance and darkness
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Many thanks for your illuminating words Uniqsha. I will try to contemplate them and follow the three things in sikhism by Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Gee I never knew them.
But that does not alter the fact that the man is a clown and an embarrassment. He has rudimentary knowledge of Sikh history and gurbani, how this charlatan had gotten away with it for so long is beyond comrehension. And so many fools follow him... tut tut tut.
This is the same man who has done kirtan and viakhia of gurbani but now when it is pointed out to him that this is the katha he used to do he cries to Youtube to remove videos of him doing katha by saying it is breaching copyright. You cannot hide the truth my friends.
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This is the ex-jathedar of Akaal Takhat (now an ex-sikh and all those who support and keep contact with him are breaking the hukamnama) who knows the protocol of the office he held. Yet when summoned by the jathedar he went ego filled with great pomp and ceremony with supporters and parked himself outside the offices. His ego would not let him in, he wanted the jathedar of the Akaal Takhat to come to HIM, rather than in humility present himself to the jathedar. Not the actions of a pious ragi that he wants all to believe he is.
This is the man who ordered a Singh to be tied to a post as punishment but he himself could not present himself to the same office. Shame on all you who support him, since you do not follow the hukamnama issued from Akaal Takhat you should not consider yourself Sikhs at all.
This is the man who ordered a Singh to be tied to a post as punishment but he himself could not present himself to the same office. Shame on all you who support him, since you do not follow the hukamnama issued from Akaal Takhat you should not consider yourself Sikhs at all.
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We as persons have no right to condem or applaud the credentials of any individual.We should always look the contribution of the person to the community.We would find that his contribution is exemplary in the present state of affairs.
Views do change when anyone is enlightened to higher wisdom than earlier.We should try to appreciate so long as his views are logically correct and helpful in eliminating the ignorance of persons at large.
I have personally read many of his contributions related to various matters.His contribution is just meticulous which is the reflection of the real grace of GURU.
There is no harm in acknowledging this fact concerning Pro Darshan Singh Ji.
We should always keep in mind the following Quote from Grbaani
"NINDAA BHALEE KISE KI NAHIN MANMUKH MUGADH KARANi"
Prakash.s.Bagga
Views do change when anyone is enlightened to higher wisdom than earlier.We should try to appreciate so long as his views are logically correct and helpful in eliminating the ignorance of persons at large.
I have personally read many of his contributions related to various matters.His contribution is just meticulous which is the reflection of the real grace of GURU.
There is no harm in acknowledging this fact concerning Pro Darshan Singh Ji.
We should always keep in mind the following Quote from Grbaani
"NINDAA BHALEE KISE KI NAHIN MANMUKH MUGADH KARANi"
Prakash.s.Bagga
Interesting, all this judgment against Professor Darshan Singh and none against a jathedar who is a known bigamist.
Breeb ji You need to get your facts straight. And you need to observe TOS, debate issues not personalities, no ad hominem attacks, no personal attacks. Some of what you are saying actually exposes SPN to legal action for slander, and that has been deleted now. This is your second warning. I do not intend to close another thread because you have visited and begun a program of undermining decent debate. spnadmin.
In a few minutes you will receive an official infraction, because this is the 4th thread at SPN where you have carried on as you do.
Breeb ji You need to get your facts straight. And you need to observe TOS, debate issues not personalities, no ad hominem attacks, no personal attacks. Some of what you are saying actually exposes SPN to legal action for slander, and that has been deleted now. This is your second warning. I do not intend to close another thread because you have visited and begun a program of undermining decent debate. spnadmin.
In a few minutes you will receive an official infraction, because this is the 4th thread at SPN where you have carried on as you do.
Breeb Ji
A Jathedar of the Akaal Takhat is still to be respected even if he is now ex Jathedar because he resigned, you should not judge him, you should respect him for the position he held was higher than we will ever hold and because that is what Sikhs do they respect each other and are understanding .
Calling him names is only making you look bad.I understand you are trying to follow the new orders but these are temporal laws ,Respect which is a form of love is an Eternal one that you should honour first.
A Jathedar of the Akaal Takhat is still to be respected even if he is now ex Jathedar because he resigned, you should not judge him, you should respect him for the position he held was higher than we will ever hold and because that is what Sikhs do they respect each other and are understanding .
Calling him names is only making you look bad.I understand you are trying to follow the new orders but these are temporal laws ,Respect which is a form of love is an Eternal one that you should honour first.
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