Nirmaljotji
Kindly quote full shabads with relevant identification, you risk having your posts deleted otherwise, and a few lines can often look to mean something contradictory to the entire shabad.
as to your point that the Gurus have clearly asked us to meditate on the naam, could you elaborate as to how we do this?
Here I quote the full shabad[/FONT]
ਭਈ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਮਾਨੁਖ ਦੇਹੁਰੀਆ[/FONT]||
This human body has been given to you
[/FONT]ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਮਿਲਣ ਕੀ ਇਹ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਰੀਆ [/FONT]||
This is your chance to meet the lord.
[/FONT]ਅਵਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਤੇਰੈ ਕਿਤੈ ਨ ਕਾਮ[/FONT]||
Nothing else shall work.
[/FONT]ਮਿਲੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਭਜੁ ਕੇਵਲ ਨਾਮ[/FONT]||[/FONT]੧[/FONT]||
Go to the sangat of a saadh, the company of the holy and meditate on the jewel of the Naam.
[/FONT]ਸਰੰਜਾਮਿ ਲਾਗੁ ਭਵਜਲ ਤਰਨ ਕੈ [/FONT]||
Make every effort to cross over this world-ocean
[/FONT]ਜਨਮੁ ਬ੍ਰਿਥਾ ਜਾਤ ਰੰਗਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਕੈ[/FONT]||[/FONT]੧[/FONT]|| [/FONT]ਰਹਾਉ[/FONT]||
This life is being squandered in the love of maya.
[/FONT]ਜਪੁ ਤਪੁ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਨ ਕਮਾਇਆ[/FONT]||
I have not practised meditation, self restraint, self-discipline or righteous living.
[/FONT]ਸੇਵਾ ਸਾਧ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇਆ[/FONT]||
I have not served the saadh, the holy nor have i acknowledged the Lord
[/FONT]ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਮ ਨੀਚ ਕਰੰਮਾ[/FONT]||
Says Nanak, my actions are contemptible!
[/FONT]ਸਰਣ ਪਰੇ ਕਿ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਸਰਮਾ[/FONT]|| [/FONT]੨[/FONT]||[/FONT]੪[/FONT]||[/FONT]
O Guru, I seek your shelter, please preserve my Honour.[/FONT]
Now pertaining to the thought of how can one meditate on the Naam of the Lord, we dont have to go far away. In this very shabad guru sahib has said [/FONT]
ਮਿਲੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਭਜੁ ਕੇਵਲ ਨਾਮ[/FONT]||[/FONT]੧[/FONT]||
Go to the sangat of a saadh, the company of the holy and meditate on the jewel of the Naam.
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In this shabad also we can see the use of the word saadh or the holy men. If one truly is a seeker and wants to achieve his ultimate aim in life he/she will be compelled to find a saadh, accept his sangat, see if the saadh is as per the guidelines mentioned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and then accept the saadh as his spiritual teacher and walk the path of the saints.[/FONT]
Every man is a potential God. Be it a thief or anyone from any religion. Naam is within all of us but we need an external source of light to light this lamp or jot within our body and that external source is someone who has that lamp already lit within himself.[/FONT]
Now, we egoistic people think that who can teach us, who can show us the path, we will ourselves see the path. This is nothing but our ego which stands between the Lord and us. In another shabad guru sahib say on Ang 293[/FONT]
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The first line of this shabad say that in the company of the saints , Lord can be seen within.[/FONT]
One who has attained oneness with the almighty can guide someone else , how to be one with the almighty. [/FONT]
But to identify a true saint we can refer back to the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji , Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji bears the testimony of a true saint.[/FONT]
In another shabad Fifth Guru sahib says[/FONT]
ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿ ਜਪੇ ਮਨੁ ਧੀਰੇ||੧|| ਰਹਾਓ ||[/FONT]
Chan[/FONT]ting and meditating on the Lord, the mind is held steady.[/FONT]
ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਗੁਰਦੋਉ ਮਿਟਿ ਗਏ ਭੈ ਦੂਰੇ||੧||[/FONT]
Meditating, Meditating in remembrance on the Divine Guru, one's fears are erased and dispelled. [/FONT]
ਸਰਨਿ ਆਵੈ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕੀ ਤਾ ਫਿਰਿ ਕਾਹੇ ਝੂਰੇ||੨||[/FONT]
Entering the sanctuary of the supreme Lord God, how could anyone feel grief any longer?[/FONT]
ਚਰਨ ਸੇਵ ਸੰਤ ਸਾਧ ਕੇ ਸਗਲ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਪੂਰੇ ||੩||[/FONT]
Serving at the feet of the holy saints, all desires are fulfilled.[/FONT]
ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਏਕੁ ਵਰਤਦਾ ਜਲਿ ਥਲਿ ਮਹੀਅਲਿ ਪੂਰੇ||੪||[/FONT]
In each and every heart, the one lord is pervading. he is totally permeating the water, the land and the sky.[/FONT]
ਪਾਪ ਬਿਨਾਸਨ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਸੰਤਨ ਕੀ ਧੂਰੇ||੫||[/FONT]
I serve the destroyer of the sin, and i am sacrificed by the dust of the feet of the saints[/FONT]
ਸਭ ਛਡਾਈ ਖਸਮਿ ਆਪਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿ ਭਈ ਠਰੂਰੇ||੬||[/FONT]
My lord and master himself has saved me completely, I am comforted by meditating on the name of the lord[/FONT]
ਕਰਤੈ ਕੀਆ ਤਪਾਵਸੋ ਦੁਸਟ ਮੁਏ ਹੋਇ ਮੂਰੇ||੭||[/FONT]
The Creator has passed the judgement and the evil-doers have been silenced and killed.[/FONT]
ਨਾਨਕ ਰਤਾ ਸਚਿ ਨਾਇ ਹਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਸਦਾ ਹਜੂਰੇ||੮||੫||੩੯||੧||੩੨||੧||੫||੩੯||[/FONT]
Nanak is attuned to the True Naam and beholds the presence of the ever present Lord.[/FONT]
In this shabad Guru sahib has made a mention of the saints too
ਚਰਨ ਸੇਵ ਸੰਤ ਸਾਧ ਕੇ ਸਗਲ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਪੂਰੇ ||੩||[/FONT]
Serving at the feet of the holy saints, all desires are fulfilled[/FONT]
and
ਚਰਨ ਸੇਵ ਸੰਤ ਸਾਧ ਕੇ ਸਗਲ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਪੂਰੇ ||੩||[/FONT]
Serving at the feet of the holy saints, all desires are fulfilled[/FONT]
just like to learn mathematics or any other science we need to find a teacher of this science who himself knows of the science and can teach us the same. The first teacher(Guru) in our life was or parents who taught us walk/speak/eat. So a man needs a helping hand at every stage of life but the irony is that he thinks that he thinks that the most complex of all subjects (Spirituality/God realization) can be learnt without the help of the teacher.