It turned out she wasn't Christian at all, a very non-religious person.
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It turned out she wasn't Christian at all, a very non-religious person.
Heh my freind, I can of course see what you mean, I think it wrong to think as you do though.
Mankind has violence very close under the skin, it is offten amongst the very first of tools we use for sorting out our problems. Anything then that is divisive can be used as an excuse for very bad behaviuor.
Religoin, can yes of course, it can and it does and I fear that may ever be the case, we only need to examine our histories to see that.
Yet so can football, national patriotism, sexual preferance, the colour of the skin, gender, age, pollitics, in fact any idea that has an opposing idea can and does cause us to act and react in violant ways.
Yet we can fix these things. Here in the 20 or 30 odd years ago, we had a massive footbal violnce problem, now it is much better.
Football has sorted itself out. They have done it but not tollerating bad behavoiur amongst themselves.
Religions can do this, indeed I have seem many moderate Muslims condeming the fanatics who kill in thye name of Islam.
Like most things, ideas are simply not to blame, it is how people act and react to these ideas.
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Man does indeed appear to have a propensity for grouping and as history shows that mass collective can be directed into either good or bad, unfortunately more often bad.
The difference with religion as a group is when it goes bad all natural guilt which could modify their sickening conduct is absolved because they as religiously motivated believe their butchery is an act of righteous service to their god.
Thecoopes,
Guru Fateh.
Sorry to barge in but I felt compelled to comment on your post. It seems you know little or nothing about Sikhi or about Gurbani- The Sikh Scriptures. I would urge you to read. Knowledge is everyone's friend and gets rid of ignorance which breeds hatred and disdain which you seem to have shown in the other thread. That is the reason in your posts under this thread and the other you tend to mix apples and oranges and give a racist tone to your posts which shows how insecure you feel in your own white skin. FYI, English was not the official language of India till the fiendish Brits showed up in Calcutta in the farce of East India Company.
Tejwant Singh
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I am baffled why you are trying to attribute to me such an acusation?
Where have I ever been racist? You on the other hand bring in the issue of colour “White” and Nationality, “Fiendish Brits”!
NB: as the topic was general vis a vis “Religion” not Sikhism, your point in singling out one religion is myopic.
Please don’t every acuse me of racism, “are you insecure in your brown skin?” Now how does that sound? Not very nice.
So lets have a sensible discussion without the personal acusations.
Thecoopes,
Guru Fateh.
Sorry to barge in but I felt compelled to comment on your post. FYI, English was not the official language of India till the fiendish Brits showed up in Calcutta in the farce of East India Company.
Tejwant Singh
thescoopes,
Thanks for the reply. Please respond to my following question before you try to mix Sikhi with other religions.
What do you know about Sikhi and how it is similar or different from the Abrahamic religions?
You can call me a fiend if my acts dictate that.. The fact of the matter is and if you know history, you would know why I said fiendish brits. Nothing to feel upset and uptight about the facts of history. One has to learn how to accept the truth and then admit it. Denial takes us no where.It is our worst enemy
Tejwant Singh
Your question “What do you know about Sikhism and how it is similar or different from the Abrahamic religions?”fficeffice" />
The term “to know” implies too much as there are over 4,000 religions of which 12 are designated as the major religions.
An answer to your question depends on what you mean by “Know” if as Muslims say that no one can “Know” Islam unless they have read the Koran in Arabic, then I do not “Know”, if however you accept that the principles of Christianity founded on the cornerstone of Abraham and bought to us through the prophets with Jesus Christ being the fulfilment of the that Abrahamic covenant being my understanding of Christianity, and Sikhism was founded by Guru Nanak in the 16<sup>th</sup> century thereafter 9 Guru’s followed. Guru Arjan completed the establishment of Amritsar as the capital of the Sikh world, and compiled the first authorised book of Sikh scripture, the Adi Granth.
As to any further dissecting of each religion then the web is a powerful storehouse of knowledge and as this is a web based forum that is a good place for information.
So how does your question relate to the fact that All religions have the propensity to dominate those who are not followers.
We are not discussing here that some religions are very very violent and others less so, but religion as an entity is the poison.
Peace.
John,
Thanks for the reply however superficial it is. Islam is part and parcel of the Abrahamic religions which also inculde Judaism and Christianity. You can not separate these 3 because the umbilical cord is the same.
Sikhi is not a religion. It is a way of life because it is based on pragmatism, unlike other main religions including the Abrahamic ones which are based on religious dogmas.
This wonderful forum is full of great threads for you to understand Sikhi and have a bit deeper knowledge so you do not mix everything in the same pot out of habit and the superficial knowledge of things. You do injustice to your own intelligence with that.
Regards
Tejwant Singh
Pleaseee, you never set the question, what do you “know” about is too vague. If you wanted to know whether I knew Judaism, Christianity, and Islam shared a common foundation stone with Abraham then that was the question you should have asked.
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So your opinion as to Sikhism not being a religion maybe at odds with the founders of this site.
As to claim it is a way of life and not subject to dogma then you need to remove your 5 articles of faith, as I think they are somewhat dogmatic like the Jewish kappel.
Anyhow It never cesses to amaze me how every religion believes their religion is true because it is not like such and such.
peace
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John,
As I said in my post. Knowledge is your best friend. Do not make it your enemy. It is bewildering to me that how parochial minded you are, just like the fanatics in any other religion.
FYI, One does not need to have the 5 articles to be a Sikh. I thought you knew that.
So, have a nice learning journey.
Regards
Tejwant Singh
John,
As I said in my post. Knowledge is your best friend.
So, have a nice learning journey.
Regards
Tejwant Singh
These steps will stop the female infanticide because this will show that women do not have to fight for the rights they were bestowed upon.
Tejwant ji
Do you really think that these steps will prevent Female foeticide?When Indira gandhi the most powerful women of India was prime minister then female foeticide started also at the same time Dowry deaths became a norm in urban India.Women are still climbing ladders at top but at Ground level no change is happening.
Yes they do!!!!!!!! We buy into this mindset. That is a large part of the reason why the problem goes on for centuries. A book could be written about this aspect of oppression of women alone.
Kanwardeep Singh ji,
Guru Fateh.
Yes, I do, provided we use the tools bestowed to us in SGGS, our only Guru.
Pardon my ignorance, but I have no idea what Indira Gandhi has to do with my post. My post is strictly directed to the Sikh men who hold power and do not give the women a fighting chance to break the domed ceiling.
Indira Gandhi was a ruthless,asexual, give a damn kind of person who wanted to be a king. I use the word asexual because she did not care about anyone no matter what gender one was from. She was power hungry, Hitler without the whiskers.
Tejwant Singh
Indira Gandhi is Still the role model for Indian Feminists irrespective of what she did with the sikhs.Congress still promote Priyanka Gandhi as Indira because they know women love Indira.
Anyway My point was women need more support at ground level than at top level.India ,Pakistan,Bangladesh are all countries where women Reached the top most post And USA still is a country where There is no woman President
but condition of women is much better in USA than in India.I don't think in sikhism we need to do show off to make a woman jathedar .If a woman is capable Its O.K. no problem
Exactly what I meant!
I think also each sex male and female have to accept their limitation and accept them too. The workings of testosterone and oestrogen on the body do enable us and limit us.
Does EQUALITY mean doing every thing a male usually does? We should have female prachark but it is not essential to have in equal numbers.
Equality means equal respect and value to whatever role a female plays. Our economic system does not put true value to household work, child rearing and other jobs done by women.may be that is the reason why a female is called Durga and given topmost place so that some sense of equality is reached.
In western world it is partially recognised in a oblique way when a working women needs to pay for child care, husband has to pickup kid from school etc.
But we must accept that roles for male and female are different . Real need is to give due recognition and value to every person's role in society and economy.
If male has brute power,he has it. No one can deny it. Can or should women try to be equal in it?
If women are more compassionate, should males try to be equal?
Why do not men apply heavy make-up?
A couple is ideal when each fills the gap of other and makes it whole. That is why a male needs a female and a female needs a male. Nature/God has made it so.
Why are we trying to change that by seeking eye-for -eye equality?
But the problem is that current value system gives more value to MEN's work and thus becomes the origin of opresssion.
Same goes with children/elders/ poor.