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[nrkalee]

Dear SPN Moderators: what have you done with my article: "Clearing Spiritual Concepts?"

 

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[kds1980]

Yes Ji,
I have an opinion on that subject as well. Much of the sentiments expressed by Guru Nanak are actually esoteric Vaishnava ideologies. Only a exalted Vaishnava Acharya of the caliber of Jaidev or so, is allowed to compose such songs. That’s the etiquette.

So herein lay a discrepancy. How does someone sing such songs and at the same time not know that Krishna is the Supreme Lord and not a Demigod like Mahesh?

Now that fact that Krishna is the Supreme Lord is firmly established in all the Vedic Literatures. They are not my baseless conclusions. In fact, you will not find a single semi-literate Hindu who will club Krishna with the demigods. What then to speak of a Vaishanva who would rather die than make such a blunder. This in indeed very mysterious. Deep on one hand, appallingly shallow on the other.

Now, clearly we cannot have the Guru in a compromising position. Therefore, clearly, the ‘..KETE KAAN MAHES..’ verse is the handiwork of someone else, and possibly even the ever prolific Bhai Mani Singh, the author of the Dassam Granth which is full of similar sentiments, and frankly not the same as Nanak's teachings.

dear nrkalee

Its better if you start this debate that vishnu is the supreme lord and other hindu gods are
demi gods on hindu forum.i watched many hindu serials like om namoh shivay ,devi maa etc and one thing is clear that all worshippers of gods whether it is durga or shiv or vishnu
say that their god or goddess is supreme while others are demi gods.according to shaivaites vishnu is the worshipper of shiva and according to shakt vishnu is the worshipper of durga.so your claim that vedic literature accept vishnu the supreme lord is not fully true

as far as your claim that guru granth sahib is adulterated by bhai mani singh is absolutely baseless.you should know the history of guru granth sahib before making such claims.
The original bir of aad granth known as kartarpuri bir which was written by guru arjan dev ji was in the possession of dhirtmallia.when guru gobind singh ji demanded it from him he refused to give it.then guru gobind singh ji exactly wrote the guru granth sahib adding shabads of guru tegh bahadur ji and one shalok of his.The bir that guru gobind singh ji wrote is known as damdami bir.the gurgaddi was given to this bir.

The kartar puri bir is still in the possession of sodhi family.a court case is going on
that this bir should be returned to sikhs.the people who read kartarpuri bir found that shabads of kartarpuri bir are not different from guru granth sahib of present.so there is no chance of bhai mani singh adultrating kartarpuri bir as well damdami bir.

 

[kds1980]

Please understand that the formless god concept is not a very great realization. Also, the if you believe that you can address him by any name, why is name jap given so much importance? The name of the Lord is same as the Lord. And therefore chanting the name alone purifies. Any amount of heartfelt praying is not going to get you anywhere. Only names such as Krishna will penetrate deep and cleanse your soul. Please try to understand my arguments wholly by its logic.

dear nrkalee

you are a vaishnava and i respect your beleif but please don't try to impose your beleif on others that krishna is supreme god and only it makes you no different from muslims who propagate that allah is true god and onlly mohammed is the last prophet and all those who don't beleive in it will go to hell

let me show you a shabd of kabir ji

ਲਖ ਚਉਰਾਸੀਹ ਜੀਅ ਜੋਨਿ ਮਹਿ ਭ੍ਰਮਤ ਨੰਦੁ ਬਹੁ ਥਾਕੋ ਰੇ ॥
लख चउरासीह जीअ जोनि महि भ्रमत नंदु बहु थाको रे ॥
Lakẖ cẖaorāsīh jīa jon meh bẖarmaṯ nanḏ baho thāko rė.
Wandering through 8.4 million incarnations, Krishna's father Nand was totally exhausted.


ਭਗਤਿ ਹੇਤਿ ਅਵਤਾਰੁ ਲੀਓ ਹੈ ਭਾਗੁ ਬਡੋ ਬਪੁਰਾ ਕੋ ਰੇ ॥੧॥
भगति हेति अवतारु लीओ है भागु बडो बपुरा को रे ॥१॥
Bẖagaṯ hėṯ avṯār līo hai bẖāg bado bapurā ko rė. ||1||
Because of his devotion, Krishna was incarnated in his home; how great was the good fortune of this poor man! ||1||


ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਜੁ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਨੰਦ ਕੋ ਨੰਦਨੁ ਨੰਦ ਸੁ ਨੰਦਨੁ ਕਾ ਕੋ ਰੇ ॥
तुम्ह जु कहत हउ नंद को नंदनु नंद सु नंदनु का को रे ॥
Ŧumĥ jo kahaṯ hao nanḏ ko nanḏan nanḏ so nanḏan kā ko rė.
You say that Krishna was Nand's son, but whose son was Nand himself?


ਧਰਨਿ ਅਕਾਸੁ ਦਸੋ ਦਿਸ ਨਾਹੀ ਤਬ ਇਹੁ ਨੰਦੁ ਕਹਾ ਥੋ ਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
धरनि अकासु दसो दिस नाही तब इहु नंदु कहा थो रे ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Ḏẖaran akās ḏaso ḏis nāhī ṯab ih nanḏ kahā tho rė. ||1|| rahāo.
When there was no earth or ether or the ten directions, where was this Nand then? ||1||Pause||


ਸੰਕਟਿ ਨਹੀ ਪਰੈ ਜੋਨਿ ਨਹੀ ਆਵੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਜਾ ਕੋ ਰੇ ॥
संकटि नही परै जोनि नही आवै नामु निरंजन जा को रे ॥
Sankat nahī parai jon nahī āvai nām niranjan jā ko rė.
He does not fall into misfortune, and He does not take birth; His Name is the Immaculate Lord.

ਕਬੀਰ ਕੋ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਐਸੋ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਮਾਈ ਨ ਬਾਪੋ ਰੇ ॥੨॥੧੯॥੭੦॥
कबीर को सुआमी ऐसो ठाकुरु जा कै माई न बापो रे ॥२॥१९॥७०॥
Kabīr ko suāmī aiso ṯẖākur jā kai māī na bāpo rė. ||2||19||70||
Kabeer's Lord is such a Lord and Master, who has no mother or father. ||2||19||70|


so worshiping of one formless god is the basic philosophy of sikhism.If you agree with it its fine if you don't then it is also fine you can worship krishna as you like but please don't try to impose your beleifs on uthers