Harleen Kaur Nottay: Britain's Next Top Model?

[spnadmin]

sikh philosophy .net.....I see people putting up their views on this site. Only Discussions.

Can the promotors of this site or we all who are actively involved in all these discussions come forward to take some action . We need action or practical work more than these discussions.

I find nobody coming up with practical action :

Can the promoters of this site come forward ?

Can we or somebody amongst us learn more about sikh history to devlop some animated serials for children focussing on People like Baba Deep Singh jee , Bhai Mati das Jee.

When children will know the importance of hair , meaning of preserving their religion . the next generation will have these things in the blood. DO you know about MADRSAS concept ? Children are taught their from the beginning about jehads and then that thing goes in the blood .We can imbibe good things our sikh history culture via the media.

I am trying to teach my child about sikh history. He has more influence of choota bheem on POGO rather than my verbal teachings of sikh history.

WHen I showed him bhai mati das jee on the photo , only then he understood what i meant.

SO , we need to work out rather than discuss amongst a few individuals. the need is to reach masses and classes of sikhism.
khandaa

dilraaj7447 ji

I think I understand now. This site, Sikh Philosophy Network, is considered a public forum because anyone can join and no one pays dues. However, the ownership is individual because someone has to take legal responsibility for forum actions. I put this in a clumsy way; but if that was not clear let me know. SPN is not classified as a membership forum, where members pay dues and because of that they vote on forum policies and decisions. All of us who are admin, moderators/leaders and mentors with red, yellow or purple id's are volunteers. There are no promoters, and except for those who advertise there are no sponsors, in an official capacity. Only the leadership team and the members.

But here is what we can do. We can take your concern very seriously and even begin a collection of resources, stories, materials for young people on the subject of hair. Your suggestion is terrific. Already we do have a lot of threads on the subject; however they are not together in one spot. We should start a single sub-area just for kes/hair. I will pass this recommendation on to Aman Singh ji. Also we can work harder to find more and different material about kes -- things that are educational and inspirational.

Please continue to provide your suggestions. This may not be enough but it is a start. In fact when we get this section organized, you must tell us what we are missing.

 

[Randip Singh]

Well men also work as a piece of meat in bollywood.Is there not a craze among men to make their bodies more and more attractive for Girls?

Yes exactly!

To desctructive ends, as the steroid Shah Rukhs of Bollywood will suffer ultimately.

 

[kds1980]

Kanwardeep Singh ji

Yes... I am asking 1 very specific thing.

Who are the authorities who are speaking against promoting the cutting of hair and seeking professions where one has to cut one's hair. That is not a difficult question.

The SRM forbids dishonoring the hair. A person of average intelligence can figure out that they are in for a backlash if he/she chooses to dishonor their hair. Who are the authorities?

Well Narayanjot ji

All religions are divided in sects and different sects have different authorities.
so you will find many authorties in sikhism

BTW your question automatically gives birth to 1000s question.Now if a sikh is drug dealer and promote drugs he could say Who has the authority to ask me not promote drugs.similarly one can promote living guru and ask who has the authority among sikhs to stop me promoting my living guru?and the questions goes on and on.In the end sikhism will become a religion of what you like

 

[spnadmin]

Well Narayanjot ji

All religions are divided in sects and different sects have different authorities.
so you will find many authorties in sikhism

BTW your question automatically gives birth to 1000s question.Now if a sikh is drug dealer and promote drugs he could say Who has the authority to ask me not promote drugs.similarly one can promote living guru and ask who has the authority among sikhs to stop me promoting my living guru?and the questions goes on and on.In the end sikhism will become a religion of what you like

I agree completely on this point. The entire matter is a ball of tangled yarn. How to get to the bottom of it?

 

[Tejwant Singh]

Wow!

When I saw this thread, I did not even bother reading it but after seeing 64 posts, it aroused my curiosity and I decided to read each and every post.

Before I offer my 2 cent worth, I have a question for people who live in India.

Are there any beauty contests in India where Sikh contestants participate and is there a swim suit category in it?

I agree with Narayanjot ji's last post that,"The entire matter is a ball of tangled yarn."

In order to untangle this yarn, knot by knot, we would have to make Sikhi into a much bigger tent than it is where traditions and the Gurmat Ideals given to us by our only Guru Sri Guru Granth Sahib can intermingle and sometimes can be conflicting which would make us breed acceptance of others, no matter how they look outwardly, with or without baana but how they pitch in the society to make it better with the help of Gurmat Ideals, which is the duty of anyone who calls himself/herself a Sikh.

Let's not forget that there are also Sehajdhari Sikhs and Bhai Nand Lal did not take Khandei di pahul but he is respected in Sikhi.

Guru Gobind Singh ji gave the name Singh and Kaur to only those that took Khandei de pahul but then later on the tradition allowed Sikhs to keep hair or not and have the name Singh and Kaur which has been accepted by us for a long time.

Those who live in India may not understand this, but some parts of the diaspora society is much more conservative and have the taliban mentality than the Amritdhari Sikhs living in India.

A play called Bhetzi was banned in the UK due to the protests by these Sikhs with the taliban mentality. This was discussed here.(Request to the Moderators, please locate the thread and post it here).

So, Harleen's concern as a UK resident is genuine and should been see under the above light.

It is very easy for us to judge others by their appearance or actions. It is like playing Ik Ong Kaar which makes us forget that Sikhi is a jounrney of the individual, hence each of us carries his/her own spiritual torch. Sri Guru Granth Sahib, our only Guru urges us to become better as individuals, not cast stones at others whom we think our unfit according to our own subjective benchmarks.

Let's strive to become better as individuals and give our best wishes to Harleen in her career which is a very short lived one.

Who knows that she becomes an Amritdhari Sikh and turns out to be much better than all of us through her deeds after this short lived gig is over!

Tejwant Singh

 

[spnadmin]

Harlene Nottay lost the competition. Circumstances turned out to be very traumatic for her.

I will post the link to the story.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...ver-3-in-a-bed-lingerie-shoot-86908-22443174/

My lingering questions are these. Whether judging her and pushing her aside is more fitting a reaction? Or whether compassion and taking a lesson learned about missteps in my own life is better?

 

[Mai Harinder Kaur]

Harlene Nottay lost the competition. Circumstances turned out to be very traumatic for her.

I will post the link to the story.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...ver-3-in-a-bed-lingerie-shoot-86908-22443174/

My lingering questions are these. Whether judging her and pushing her aside is more fitting a reaction? Or whether compassion and taking a lesson learned about missteps in my own life is better?

Ouch! Narayanjot ji, please quit tweaking my ego! At least in me, there is an element of "Hmmmph! I'd never do such a thing." And I wouldn't. But who am I to judge her? If I were to list my infractions against accepted Sikh behaviour, they would make quite a long list.

I read as many comments on that story as I could stomach. Are people really that small-minded and cruel? Someone please remind me to be kinder.

"Be kinder than is necessary. Everybody is fighting some battle. Their invisible wounds may be deeper than you can imagine."

 

[spnadmin]

Mai ji

I knew you would say all the above. What happened is painful -- "Harlene's Rude Awakening." She has to make sense of it for herself. She seemed to have anticipated, just judging from the starter articles, it was not going to be easy.

 

[ugsbay]

SSA.
I dont know what all the fuss is about, if she wants to be a model then its her choice. I dont think she is that nice anyway in my opinion, but thats besides the point. She should not have bought all the backlash buisness into it. I mean she is westernised to having a boyfriend and telling the world yet she seems worried about a backlash regarding her profession seems odd.

 

[Mai Harinder Kaur]

Mai ji

I knew you would say all the above. What happened is painful -- "Harlene's Rude Awakening." She has to make sense of it for herself. She seemed to have anticipated, just judging from the starter articles, it was not going to be easy.

Narayanjot ji, you know me entirely too well. It's about time for me to throw some jellybeans into the machinery. http://alexpeak.com/twr/rhstt/

 

[badshah]

Harlene Nottay lost the competition. Circumstances turned out to be very traumatic for her.

I will post the link to the story.
My lingering questions are these. Whether judging her and pushing her aside is more fitting a reaction? Or whether compassion and taking a lesson learned about missteps in my own life is better?

*** - I take back everything I said earlier about wishing her good luck in her modelling career..... stupid b1#^& has got the word Sikh and a picture of a naked girls on a bed in between the legs of a guy that looks like he is going to hump her...... before I saw this pic I was just about to post something positive again and say that she is taking risk and will go places but after seeing a newspaper article with the title including Sikhs and the content including "Sikh girl" and then this pic:

The picture has been deleted because of its content. Forum members who wish to see it can go to the link to the follow up article. Although this may be censorship of a kind, we do reserve the right to delete images that admin or moderators may deem lewd.

Why did she have to go around she is SIkh etc, she could have said she wads Indian or Asia...... I mean you dont hear of girls saying, hey I am a Hindu nude model, or a Muslim glamour model etc etc.

Good luck to her, she has a great career ahead of her in porn, they will be knocking on her door soon.....

 

[badshah]

"lazycalm wrote:
just another gold digga,trying to make a quick buck,nice try love.
29/7/2010 8:09 AM BST on dailyrecord.co.uk "

"langsidemonument wrote: I don't know much about Sikhism but I would think she was already on her way to their version of excommunication by disrobing in public in the first place. Being then asked to pose beside other males and females probably couldn't make the situation any worse!
I don't like when the race card is pulled - discrimination and equal rights should work in reverse too."

Can we get her to come to the Gurudwara so that we can give her a Saroop for her excellent work?

 

[kds1980]

Why did she have to go around she is SIkh etc, she could have said she wads Indian or Asia...... I mean you dont hear of girls saying, hey I am a Hindu nude model, or a Muslim glamour model etc etc.

That is what I am saying in the discussion since it started .Katrina Kaif a muslim girl from UK
is almost the number 1 bollywood heroine of India By clearly outshing Aishhwarya Rai,Priyanka Chopra and kareena kapoor.Has she in her life ever used Muslim card.The answer is no

 

[spnadmin]

Too bad UK is not governed by Sharia, for then she could be sentenced to 100 lashes. That would be the end of her modeling career.

The time may not be too far off.

welcomekaur

 

[lionprinceuk]

Well, look, this girl's hairstyle is not cultural, and she is openly saying she has a boyfriend. Personally, I think if really need to be worried is when someone misrespresents the rest of us, and she culturally wouldn't represent most traditional punjabi sikhs as she clearly doesn't look or behave like one.

For example, if I went outside and saw a punjabi girl with a skirt and whatever, drinking alcohol and/or smoking and or getting physically intimate with some guy, should I really be bothered to do anything about it, is it worth wasting my time in saying something?

I know parents in the UK, and some parents who are pretty traditional, as they were raised punjab, have either been to uneducated or too busy working and making money to instill the desi cultural values that build dharam into their children. Secondly, some of these parents don't have the guts/confidence to say anything to their children, and will say things similar to "They do this, but what can we do, oh well...". They just don;t have it in them...

Anyway, the sikh community in the UK is so crewed up that this modelling thing is pretty minor, seriously!