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Based on Vijaydeep's logic, porn stars are actually God acting in porn movies. What a scene Vijaydeep is making here. What is next? God also makes liqor in breweries so that is also God. Vijaydeep would like us to give liqor in Gurduaras just like krishan of krishan avtar loves liqor. Not to forget Mahakaal's love for liqor. Now don't try to post shabads to prove liqor taken by mahakaal isn't the type people buy from liqor store or make at home. Dasam Granth is clear on which liqor mahakaal drinks. Vijdaydeep can try to act smarter than DG poet to prove otherwise but I will stick with what poet says.
 

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Vijaydeep ji

I have no intention of contradicting any of the Guru Shabads you have quoted. They ring true. Problem for me is that you have not explained how they are a refutation of remarks by Tejwant ji or Khalsa Fauj. Here are your personal reflections on the conversation,


So when we reach the state of salvation of being alive, our mind wth ego is destroyed. Mind of God or universal intellect takes over.

That is a profound observation which Guru Nanak repeats throughout Sri Guru Granth Sahib. No one is arguing about that.

That was the state of mind of Tenth Master. Unlike sending some angels, it was mind of God, who assumed the poet's work.

Again, the Tenth Master was in communication
with what you call "universal intellect" when he composed his poetry, or any other thing that he created, for that matter, and no one is arguing with that.


Is not our God omnipotant? Can do any thing. Yes ...Akaal is ominipotent and can do anything. That is not the question under review. The question is not whether he can do anyting, but rather Did and Would he do something -- for example take a pen to paper and write a poem? The idea that Akaal would or did, or that Akaal even told Guru Gobind Snngh what to write, gives us a vision of Akaal that is consistent with a very primitive view of God. Except for fundamentalists, even Jews and Christians today do not believe that Moses, in a personal conversation with God, actually wrote down what God said were the 10 Commandments in seclusion on Mount Sinai. That particular vision of God leads away from devotion to the Niraankar.

Some quotes more for Singh Tejwant Singh Ji for is question regarding the who said the capability of God to destroy or not. Read last two quote carefully from Sukhmani Sahib and Dakhani Oankar.


Tejwant Singh ji is fully aware of the meaning of Sukhmani Sahib and Dakhani Oankar.

The explanation you have given is more mystifying than ever. What do you mean by emanating and manifesting. There is a danger in suggesting that Ik Oankaar who is also Akaal muratth somehow emanates and projects His thoughts. Why would Akaal do that? I think my question is a fair question. Why would Akaal project His thoughts? And if Akaal has done so then how is it that the authorship of disputed sections of Dasam Granth are in dispute?

The only answer to the last question would be -- "Oh, but only a few enlightened people can get it because they have overcome their ego and duality." Meaning that the meaning of Dasam Granth is open only to an elite and exclusive club of insiders who understand what is going on. The Dasam Granth controversy has to open itself up to common sense so that common people like me can understand if some of the Brahmgianis are making sense. Or no?
 

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CHOR NALLON PAAND KAHLEE.
Whatever the poets wrote in DG..they ADMIT and say..KABIO BAACH..Kabio (POET) Baach (SAYS)...meaning is so clear..the POET SAYS..
BUT the DG "defenders" IGNORE this and say..GURU GOBINDSINGH JI SAYS...Why Guur Ji never used his own Name..Mahalla Dasvaan..Patshai Dasveen..no one cares to explain...
Thus the DG Defenders are the "Paand" that is even faster at running away than the CHOR (thief)...:D:D:D:eek::eek::eek::):):):)
 

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CHOR NALLON PAAND KAHLEE.
Whatever the poets wrote in DG..they ADMIT and say..KABIO BAACH..Kabio (POET) Baach (SAYS)...meaning is so clear..the POET SAYS..
BUT the DG "defenders" IGNORE this and say..GURU GOBINDSINGH JI SAYS...Why Guur Ji never used his own Name..Mahalla Dasvaan..Patshai Dasveen..no one cares to explain...
Thus the DG Defenders are the "Paand" that is even faster at running away than the CHOR (thief)...:D:D:D:eek::eek::eek::):):):)

How much more simply can this be stated? Some still are not getting it. What I suddenly do not myself understand is this. Why would someone who hold Guru Gobind Singh to be the Light and the Seed of Universe not want all inauthentic texts cleared out ASAP so that the light is not dimmed by idolatry and superstition, and the seed is not smothered?

It is OK - I think I know the answer. :)
 
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Based on Vijaydeep's logic, porn stars are actually God acting in porn movies. What a scene Vijaydeep is making here. What is next? God also makes liqor in breweries so that is also God. Vijaydeep would like us to give liqor in Gurduaras just like krishan of krishan avtar loves liqor. Not to forget Mahakaal's love for liqor. Now don't try to post shabads to prove liqor taken by mahakaal isn't the type people buy from liqor store or make at home. Dasam Granth is clear on which liqor mahakaal drinks. Vijdaydeep can try to act smarter than DG poet to prove otherwise but I will stick with what poet says.
Dear Brother ,

Das does not wants this but who else is there in actors of porn movies.

Where is the atom in which God is not there ?

Das is sure that yourself have not read the cheating done by Mr ambala, go and read that in answering issue raised by Mr Ambala, There is nowhere written that God as Mahakal takes liquer.

But all liquer takers are form of God only.

for you from Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
<table cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td>
</td></tr> <tr><td> ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਮਹਿ ਦੇਖੁ
बेद पुरान सिम्रिति महि देखु ॥
Beḏ purān simriṯ mėh ḏekẖ.
See Him in the Vedas, the Puraanas and the Simritees.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਸਸੀਅਰ ਸੂਰ ਨਖ੍ਯ੍ਯਤ੍ਰ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ
ससीअर सूर नख्यत्र महि एकु ॥
Sasī▫ar sūr nakẖ▫yaṯar mėh ek.
In the moon, the sun and the stars, He is the One.

</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#babac7"><td> ਬਾਣੀ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਬੋਲੈ
बाणी प्रभ की सभु को बोलै ॥
Baṇī parabẖ kī sabẖ ko bolai.
The Bani of God's Word is spoken by everyone.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਆਪਿ ਅਡੋਲੁ ਕਬਹੂ ਡੋਲੈ
आपि अडोलु न कबहू डोलै ॥
Āp adol na kabhū dolai.
He Himself is unwavering - He never wavers.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਸਰਬ ਕਲਾ ਕਰਿ ਖੇਲੈ ਖੇਲ
सरब कला करि खेलै खेल ॥
Sarab kalā kar kẖelai kẖel.
With absolute power, He plays His play.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਮੋਲਿ ਪਾਈਐ ਗੁਣਹ ਅਮੋਲ
मोलि न पाईऐ गुणह अमोल ॥
Mol na pā▫ī▫ai guṇah amol.
His value cannot be estimated; His virtues are invaluable.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਸਰਬ ਜੋਤਿ ਮਹਿ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਜੋਤਿ
सरब जोति महि जा की जोति ॥
Sarab joṯ mėh jā kī joṯ.
In all light, is His Light.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਧਾਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਓਤਿ ਪੋਤਿ
धारि रहिओ सुआमी ओति पोति ॥
Ḏẖār rahi▫o su▫āmī oṯ poṯ.
The Lord and Master supports the weave of the fabric of the universe.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦਿ ਭਰਮ ਕਾ ਨਾਸੁ
गुर परसादि भरम का नासु ॥
Gur parsāḏ bẖaram kā nās.
By Guru's Grace, doubt is dispelled.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨ ਮਹਿ ਏਹੁ ਬਿਸਾਸੁ ॥੩॥
नानक तिन महि एहु बिसासु ॥३॥
Nānak ṯin mėh ehu bisās. ||3||
O Nanak, this faith is firmly implanted within. ||3||
</td></tr></tbody></table>(Ang 294)
 
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Gurfateh
Vijaydeep says God is capable of everything. Can God make a mountain which even God can't lift?
Vijaydeep, how do you answer this question with logic?

Dear Brother,

If God create mountain then that is God of Christians. Our God is Mountain Forest and all.

Page 294, Line 1
ਬਨਿ ਤਿਨਿ ਪਰਬਤਿ ਹੈ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ॥
बनि तिनि परबति है पारब्रहमु ॥
Ban ṯin parbaṯ hai pārbarahm.
In the forests, fields and mountains, He is the Supreme Lord God.
Guru Arjan Dev - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]


Coming to logic, that is part of Fifth Hindu Philosophy of Nayay Shastra used by ****** Dayanad.

What relation do yourself have with this Swami or Das should have ?

Another manifestation of Akal may not lift mountain manifestation till Akal does not want.

So far Das belives that you have faith in Bhagat Bani unlike some of your bodies in Faridabad.

So see Tarak or logic being rejected by Gurbani.

<table cellspacing="5"><tbody><tr><td>ਪਹਿਲ ਪੁਰਸਾਬਿਰਾ
पहिल पुरसाबिरा ॥
Pahil pursābirā.
First of all, there was only the Primal Being.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਅਥੋਨ ਪੁਰਸਾਦਮਰਾ
अथोन पुरसादमरा ॥
Athon pursāḏmarā.
From that Primal Being, Maya was produced.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਅਸਗਾ ਅਸ ਉਸਗਾ
असगा अस उसगा ॥
Asgā as usgā.
All that is, is His.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਬਾਗਰਾ ਨਾਚੈ ਪਿੰਧੀ ਮਹਿ ਸਾਗਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ
हरि का बागरा नाचै पिंधी महि सागरा ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Har kā bāgrā nācẖai pinḏẖī mėh sāgrā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
In this Garden of the Lord, we all dance, like water in the pots of the Persian wheel. ||1||Pause||

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਨਾਚੰਤੀ ਗੋਪੀ ਜੰਨਾ
नाचंती गोपी जंना ॥
Nācẖanṯī gopī jannā.
Women and men both dance.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਨਈਆ ਤੇ ਬੈਰੇ ਕੰਨਾ
नईआ ते बैरे कंना ॥
Na▫ī▫ā ṯe baire kanna.
There is no other than the Lord.

</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#babac7"><td> ਤਰਕੁ ਚਾ
तरकु न चा ॥
Ŧarak na cẖā.
Don't dispute this,

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਭ੍ਰਮੀਆ ਚਾ
भ्रमीआ चा ॥
Bẖarmī▫ā cẖā.
and don't doubt this.

</td></tr> <tr><td> ਕੇਸਵਾ ਬਚਉਨੀ ਅਈਏ ਮਈਏ ਏਕ ਆਨ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥
केसवा बचउनी अईए मईए एक आन जीउ ॥२॥
Kesvā bacẖ▫unī a▫ī▫e ma▫ī▫e ek ān jī▫o. ||2||
The Lord says, "This creation and I are one and the same". ||2||
</td></tr></tbody></table>(Ang 693)
 
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CHOR NALLON PAAND KAHLEE.
Whatever the poets wrote in DG..they ADMIT and say..KABIO BAACH..Kabio (POET) Baach (SAYS)...meaning is so clear..the POET SAYS..
BUT the DG "defenders" IGNORE this and say..GURU GOBINDSINGH JI SAYS...Why Guur Ji never used his own Name..Mahalla Dasvaan..Patshai Dasveen..no one cares to explain...
Thus the DG Defenders are the "Paand" that is even faster at running away than the CHOR (thief)...:D:D:D:eek::eek::eek::):):):)
Respected Gyani Sahib Ji,

There are verse in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji which do not have term Mahala, this more to do with Bani related to Fifth Master.

About two year before, Das came to know from a missionary in Bhai Vir Singh Sadan that as Japu Ji Sahib, which is at start of Shri Guru Granth Sahib has no Raga nor Mahala so are not via First Master.

Poet God Says Request to be made to God only.That should be understood while we read Godly or Ihlami text and Chaupayee Sahib are part of same.
 

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Please note that discussions of the Raagmala should go to a different thread or start a new thread. One or two comments about Raagmala - OK. But if the discussion of Raagmala goes on too long, then it is a digression, and a new thread needs to be/will be started by moderators.
 
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Gurfateh

Bro kindly privide your address and we will discuss the "guru(of Nastiks)" Ghugga/Kala Aghana work thence.

We specifically ask that members not provide email addresses on open threads. Please use the SPN private message feature for this kind of thing. Narayanjot Kaur
 
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Please note that discussions of the Raagmala should go to a different thread or start a new thread. One or two comments about Raagmala - OK. But if the discussion of Raagmala goes on too long, then it is a digression, and a new thread needs to be/will be started by moderators.
Dear Sister,

Who is talking about Raagmala ?
 

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vjdeep ji

I thought I saw a reference to that a few posts back. If I am wrong I will correct my error.

You are right - my apologies - I read too quickly and saw Raga and Mahala, but put it together incorrectly. My spelling for ਮਹਲਾ is Mehalaa. That is why I read it wrong. Please forgive me.
 
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You already have my email address, come talk there, live talk. I remember you ran away last time and never came back because you need to use the search function to look up misinterpreted quotes and use them to prove dasam granth right. Even then, those quotes usually aren't related to the topic.
 
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Gurfateh

When did Das ran away ?Bro! From this site ?

i had only chated with you in 2006 and you were to sleep in early morning. Coming to here, das is working some good things so often has not time to spare online as being offline.

Else running thing. God may have mercy on you as you yourself took phone number of das but you are not providing your details, so who runs?
 
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