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Vjkk vjkf Sherab bro!
You ask some fantastic questions and I pray that we have more enlightened youngsters like you joining the dharma.
Sherab wrote:
And why would we take that verse in reverse? (no pun intended). If it is what Guru Nanak Dev meant, he would of oput it in reverse himself, right?
ProjectNaad.com wrote:
All I was trying to highlight by reversing the shabad was its true meaning which can be read in counter reverse i.e. the right way round …but people miss it!
But here is the shabad again:
Scrupulous Jains and hosts of Siddhs, ascetic yogis - I have seen them all.
Warriors and demons, gods who drink amrit, devout believers in a multitude of doctrines. All these have I witnessed as I traveled the world, yet never a true follower of the Lord. Without the love and grace of God their devotion is trivial, worthless, lost. (1)
All GuruJi is saying here is that without the love and grace of God everything is worthless. GuruJi is not saying don’t be an ascetic or Siddh but simply that whatever you are you need to remember God with your heart if you want your spirituality to bear fruit.
Sherab wrote:
But Kundalini yoga is there for a spiritual purpose - to rise up the male and female energies through the central channel.
ProjectNaad.com wrote:
There is no doubt that it is for Kundalini rising and this in itself is supported by Sikhism. In fact it is because of the spiritual nature of KY that many people who practice KY become Sikhs. So there is no issue here with regards to practicing or not practicing KY
“The Master of the Universe, the very Life of the World pervades the sea and the land, manifesting Himself in myriads of ways. So serve the Guru, the True Guru; His ways and means are inscrutable. The Great Guru Raam Daas is the Boat to carry us across. ||4|| Those who realize the Eternal, Unchanging Word of God, like Dhroo, are immune to death. They cross over the terrifying world-ocean in an instant; the Lord created the world like a bubble of water. The Kundalini rises in the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation; through the Word of the Guru, they enjoy the Lord of Supreme Bliss.The Supreme Guru is the Lord and Master over all; so serve the True Guru, in thought, word and deed. ||5|| Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Jee-o” SGGSJ p. 1402
“When I came to understand this mind, from the tips of my toes to the crown of my head, then I took my cleansing bath, deep within my self. ||1|| The mind, the master of the breath, abides in the state of supreme bliss. There is no death, no re-birth, and no aging for me now. ||1||Pause|| Turning away from materialism, I have found intuitive support. I have entered into the sky of the mind, and opened the Tenth Gate. The chakras of the coiled Kundalini energy have been opened, and I have met my Sovereign Lord King without fear. ||2||My attachment to Maya has been eradicated; the moon energy has devoured the sun energy. “ SGGSJ p.972
Sherab wrote:
Yoga means "a training" in the snese of training yourself to change, tto become like _______. Also the idea of Karma, Bhakti, etc. yogas is found in Hinduism, not Sikhi. As for approaches to "yoga" why mention the term yoga at all?
it sounds to hindu-fied for me.
ProjectNaad.com wrote:
Yoga in the sense of union or as a path to enlightenment is mention in the SGGSJ.
“Let the five passions be disciples under your control, O begging Yogi, and make this mind your walking stick. ||1|| Thus you shall find the Way of Yoga.” SGGSJ p.155
When I mention Seva as Karma Yoga or Simran as Raaj Yoga or Bhakti Yoga as Keertan I am just highlighting the fact that it is a different name for the same thing. Its like the way American say potatoes differently to the English but it doesn’t change the item which they are referring to.
Sikhism is similar to Hinduism and Buddhism but only as far as the following concepts such as karma theory, God realisation and 3rd eye meditation, control of 5 thieves, Maya.
However neither Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam or Christianity have any of the following concepts: Unity of all world Religion, Oneness of Humanity, Gender Equality, Rejection of Caste, Rejection of Fasting, Unity and oneness of God i.e. God is known by many names but it is the same being.
Finally if you know a Hindu who is interested in Sikhism then it is good for you to know the words that a Hindu person will use for something that is basically the same and you can help them to understand how Sikhism is unique too!
Sherab wrote:
Yoga is not sitting in trances. Yoga
is not wandering through foreign lands; Yoga is not bathing at sacred shrines
of pilgrimage. Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world -
this is the way to attain Yoga. ||2||Meeting with the True Guru, doubt is
dispelled, and the wandering mind is restrained. Nectar rains down, celestial
music resounds, and deep within, wisdom is obtained. Remaining unblemished
in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||3||O
Nanak, remain dead while yet alive - practice such a Yoga.”
(Guru Granth Sahib, page 730)
Please read the bold i have highlighted. How does doing physical asana like in kundalini yoga help with any of that? Fine, you may call chanting the Naam as a form of yoga, fine, but you do NOT need Kubndalini Yoga.
ProjectNaad.com wrote:
I agree Sherab Ji, we do not need KY and none of the Gurus suggested that we needed KY for spiritual enlightenment. All we need is love for God and the blessings of the masters.
But if a Sikh does wish to pursue the study of KY they are free to do so. That is all I was suggesting.
Sherab wrote:
Please define Gurmantras. the only one am i aware of is the Mul mantra, and waheguru for simran.
ProjectNaad.com wrote:
“Waheguru” is called the Gurmantar
Blessings
Param
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You ask some fantastic questions and I pray that we have more enlightened youngsters like you joining the dharma.
Sherab wrote:
And why would we take that verse in reverse? (no pun intended). If it is what Guru Nanak Dev meant, he would of oput it in reverse himself, right?
ProjectNaad.com wrote:
All I was trying to highlight by reversing the shabad was its true meaning which can be read in counter reverse i.e. the right way round …but people miss it!
But here is the shabad again:
Scrupulous Jains and hosts of Siddhs, ascetic yogis - I have seen them all.
Warriors and demons, gods who drink amrit, devout believers in a multitude of doctrines. All these have I witnessed as I traveled the world, yet never a true follower of the Lord. Without the love and grace of God their devotion is trivial, worthless, lost. (1)
All GuruJi is saying here is that without the love and grace of God everything is worthless. GuruJi is not saying don’t be an ascetic or Siddh but simply that whatever you are you need to remember God with your heart if you want your spirituality to bear fruit.
Sherab wrote:
But Kundalini yoga is there for a spiritual purpose - to rise up the male and female energies through the central channel.
ProjectNaad.com wrote:
There is no doubt that it is for Kundalini rising and this in itself is supported by Sikhism. In fact it is because of the spiritual nature of KY that many people who practice KY become Sikhs. So there is no issue here with regards to practicing or not practicing KY
“The Master of the Universe, the very Life of the World pervades the sea and the land, manifesting Himself in myriads of ways. So serve the Guru, the True Guru; His ways and means are inscrutable. The Great Guru Raam Daas is the Boat to carry us across. ||4|| Those who realize the Eternal, Unchanging Word of God, like Dhroo, are immune to death. They cross over the terrifying world-ocean in an instant; the Lord created the world like a bubble of water. The Kundalini rises in the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation; through the Word of the Guru, they enjoy the Lord of Supreme Bliss.The Supreme Guru is the Lord and Master over all; so serve the True Guru, in thought, word and deed. ||5|| Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Guru, Waahay Jee-o” SGGSJ p. 1402
“When I came to understand this mind, from the tips of my toes to the crown of my head, then I took my cleansing bath, deep within my self. ||1|| The mind, the master of the breath, abides in the state of supreme bliss. There is no death, no re-birth, and no aging for me now. ||1||Pause|| Turning away from materialism, I have found intuitive support. I have entered into the sky of the mind, and opened the Tenth Gate. The chakras of the coiled Kundalini energy have been opened, and I have met my Sovereign Lord King without fear. ||2||My attachment to Maya has been eradicated; the moon energy has devoured the sun energy. “ SGGSJ p.972
Sherab wrote:
Yoga means "a training" in the snese of training yourself to change, tto become like _______. Also the idea of Karma, Bhakti, etc. yogas is found in Hinduism, not Sikhi. As for approaches to "yoga" why mention the term yoga at all?
it sounds to hindu-fied for me.
ProjectNaad.com wrote:
Yoga in the sense of union or as a path to enlightenment is mention in the SGGSJ.
“Let the five passions be disciples under your control, O begging Yogi, and make this mind your walking stick. ||1|| Thus you shall find the Way of Yoga.” SGGSJ p.155
When I mention Seva as Karma Yoga or Simran as Raaj Yoga or Bhakti Yoga as Keertan I am just highlighting the fact that it is a different name for the same thing. Its like the way American say potatoes differently to the English but it doesn’t change the item which they are referring to.
Sikhism is similar to Hinduism and Buddhism but only as far as the following concepts such as karma theory, God realisation and 3rd eye meditation, control of 5 thieves, Maya.
However neither Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam or Christianity have any of the following concepts: Unity of all world Religion, Oneness of Humanity, Gender Equality, Rejection of Caste, Rejection of Fasting, Unity and oneness of God i.e. God is known by many names but it is the same being.
Finally if you know a Hindu who is interested in Sikhism then it is good for you to know the words that a Hindu person will use for something that is basically the same and you can help them to understand how Sikhism is unique too!
Sherab wrote:
Yoga is not sitting in trances. Yoga
is not wandering through foreign lands; Yoga is not bathing at sacred shrines
of pilgrimage. Remaining unblemished in the midst of the filth of the world -
this is the way to attain Yoga. ||2||Meeting with the True Guru, doubt is
dispelled, and the wandering mind is restrained. Nectar rains down, celestial
music resounds, and deep within, wisdom is obtained. Remaining unblemished
in the midst of the filth of the world - this is the way to attain Yoga. ||3||O
Nanak, remain dead while yet alive - practice such a Yoga.”
(Guru Granth Sahib, page 730)
Please read the bold i have highlighted. How does doing physical asana like in kundalini yoga help with any of that? Fine, you may call chanting the Naam as a form of yoga, fine, but you do NOT need Kubndalini Yoga.
ProjectNaad.com wrote:
I agree Sherab Ji, we do not need KY and none of the Gurus suggested that we needed KY for spiritual enlightenment. All we need is love for God and the blessings of the masters.
But if a Sikh does wish to pursue the study of KY they are free to do so. That is all I was suggesting.
Sherab wrote:
Please define Gurmantras. the only one am i aware of is the Mul mantra, and waheguru for simran.
ProjectNaad.com wrote:
“Waheguru” is called the Gurmantar
Blessings
Param
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