Pacific Miraculous Sign At Sikh Temple, Or . Is It Another Sign Of Sikh Gullibility With Miracles?

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

Gullibility!!!

I have a tea stain on my T shirt that looks a bit like an Ek Onkar, maybe they want to worship that too?

Randip Ji..

Is that a " T" stain or a "tea" stain ?....and did it occur while drinking "tea" ? or while you were dotting your "i"s and crossing your t's ?
In a miraculous situation EVERY DETAIL has to be carefully studied and then only can a genuine miracle" be confirmed.

Jarnail Singhjapposatnamwaheguru:japposatnamwaheguru:japposatnamwaheguru:japposatnamwaheguru:japposatnamwaheguru:

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

Ambarsaria JI, Your you- tubes reminded me of another such bird, a parrot that is a pet in my nephews house on the island of Penang in Malaysia.This parrot is amazing.it is named Ash!

Whenever we are on holidays there, the number of times, when we would pick up the phone..only to find it was the parrot that was simulating the ringing tone of their phone!Then on ocassions when the phone would really ring, it would simulate the voice of their maid a wonderful philipino lady, the parrot would shout out the name of one of my grand nephews ...Naveeeen or .. Depaaak ./..another brother of his!


At other times, it would squawk as a horn- as if the car, and we would call out tothe maid that someone is at the gate, only to be told...Noo, sir, it is only assh making a nuisance of itself!!

Along the line it has picked up a vocabulary of about 100 words; among which one is satnam waheguru!At times when it feels like it will chaant satnaam waheguru non stop for minutes...then call out "...what ?be quiet!!

I have often wondered if I could teach it the panj paurian of jaap ji sahib; as it was rattling on one day, after me as I sat out early morning doing my paath in the verandah!


Is that miracle or Gurbani?What do we define that as ?

Gurcharan singh Kulim, Kamuning Hills,Kuala Lumpur.

Gurcharan Singh Jio,

I think THATS how parrots were "saved" and achieved MUKTI. A Parrot is a parrot..........BUT when HUMANS ( who should know better) begin to "parrot" and hope to achieve MUKTI...thats when the problem begins. You may also be aware that parrots also foretell the FUTURE !! and HUMANS use that amazing ability of parrots to "parrot" other humans out of their hard earned cash !!! ( again those who should know better but dont).

Amazing how Guru Ji spent over 250 YEARS to put us on the HIGHWAY to MUKTI...but we just love to go 'off road" and wander about in the DESERTS and amaze ourselves at "MIRAGES"....seeing water in the SANDS !!! and shouting..MIRACLE...MIRACLE...

Its like our GURU JI made us the OWNERS of the World's Best and Largest JEWELLERY STORE with all sorts of Diamonds and pearls and precious stones...Kohinoor Heeras......BUT we just love to go out to the street and pick up a..."shining stone...silicone shard...broken glass...marble....and be AMAZED at its .."sheer beauty"....wah wah..a MIRACLE. Guru Ji said..PIO DADDEH DA KHOL DITTAH KHAZANAH.....but soon after 1708..we PROMPTLY CLOSED SHUT the treasure Chest, covered it all up in beautiful Rumallahs............and began to see "miracles" on the CLOTH COVERINGS....as randip Ji said we see "T" s.....on T-shirts..BUT NOT the Person...the Divine Message....

I DONT BLAME anyone...GURMUKHI is so very very DIFFICULT to learn..especially in a busy world where we all got to learn and earn...whos got time for Gurmukhi....and THEN..learn GURBANI..and spend a DECADE learning its MEANINGS...and then FOLLOWING the TEACHINGS...oh its all so difficult....so much EASIER to get some "Naam Japp" professional to Naam japp FOR US....the Granthi to do the ardass for us..the Paath for us...
and Since its their LIVELIHOOD..these "Naam japp" Professionals have to actively PROMOTE their activites...as its natural that the More gullible people they convince that their Snake Oil is real....the more Snake Oil they can sell....................and so the World continues to GO ROUND. The catholic Church realised its mistake 400 YEARS after Galilieo gallielee..BUT we did the REVERSE..we FORGOT GURU NANAK GURU GOBIND SINGH JI fater 400 years !!!

 

[Ambarsaria]

Napjap ji i agree this is a state of mind for everything is a state or mind, Falsehood is something that is purposly done. We dont or cannot assume anything to the point that it was purposly done or not.

This "MIRCALE" by the "Guru ji" That has brought the community together to ponder upon this inciddent. May it be a blessing or not.

Lets just be thankfull for it being a reason for people coming closer to shri guru granth saib ji and leave it at that.

EVEN though we should not need a reason in the first PLACE it should be desire to learn.

Harwinder ji this is how Deras start, this is how mandirs rotate, this is how you send the water to the sun, and so on.

• Example: Soon there will be a reason to call this place as,
  • "Gurdwara Rumala Sahib ji"
• This is so demeaning to consider and postulate in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji that to me it is disgusting
  • Forget about the miracle part
  • Forget about the positive part
• If we do not see clearly through such as "garbage in -garbage out" we have issues
  • This is almost 400 years after our Gurus cleared this mess and we seem to have forgotten the fundamentals
• Tolerance of thought is one thing, saying it in the name and association with our heritage, in opposition of our gurus and their teachings, in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is nothing less than plain stupid
  • If my father was alive he would have taken such a so called Sikh outside and given him a good spanking (philosophical or otherwise)
  • Shame if it is true how the thread first post mentioned it

Sat Sri Akal

 

[Ambarsaria]

Mai Harinder Kaur ji way back I remember flocks of parrots doing the following on our Pomegranate tree while the fruit was on the tree,

YouTube - Sammi the Yellow Naped Amazon DEVOURS a Pomegranate

It was a flock of ten to twenty that will descend.

We used to pick the pomegranates that they have nicked. Those were always the sweetest ones! Who taught them these skills to see under the shell, etc. Creator has ways for all and impossible to understand all as Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji says.

Sat Sri Akal.

PS: I like your new Bhangra smileys

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

There are Gurdwaras in Malaysia that preserve wells ( dug long ago beofre piped water became common) just so.......the Sangats can be provided..."AMRIT"....in exchange for..Goluck" becasue of not for the Amrit...practically nil snagat would visit such Gurdwaras..so its a sort of "tourist" attraction...that "well and amrit". Signboards dutifully inform the snagat to be Barefoot and Head Covered when in the vicinity of the HOLY WELL..not to USE commercial Shampoos/soaps etc to Bathe with the HOLY WATER * Apparently shampoos/sopas COUNTERACT the power of the Amrit ?? etc etc...

People all over simply LOVE the Instant gratification such "holy waters" holy oils..holy ash..holy this and holy that provide....no need to do any paath..study gurbani..adopt CHANGES to the LIFE in tune with GURBANI TEACHINGS...just a quick drive-Thru the Gurdwara with the Holy well...tie handkerchief patka on the head..remove shoes,,take a dip and a sip of Holy water..and Viola..MUKTEE !!..............???

 

[Kanwaljit.Singh]

From the Khanda that was held in hand, to the one which hung from car's mirror, to the one on Tshirts and books, to the one which 'formed' on the Rumala of Guru Sahib.. we have come a long long way..

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

From the Khanda that was held in hand, to the one which hung from car's mirror, to the one on Tshirts and books, to the one which 'formed' on the Rumala of Guru Sahib.. we have come a long long way..

Kanwaljit Singh Ji..

You have traced the history of the Khanda well. thats exactly how it is.Next is Khanda that exists only in the imagination...

I will be adding a new thread on the Misconception that is popularly known as Vasakhi--the Birthday of the Khalsa..the New Year of the Khalsa..the Pargat Diwas..Saajna Diwas..etc etc....ALL off the mark and mirror images while REALITY is distant...

 

[Randip Singh]

Randip Ji..

Is that a " T" stain or a "tea" stain ?....and did it occur while drinking "tea" ? or while you were dotting your "i"s and crossing your t's ?
In a miraculous situation EVERY DETAIL has to be carefully studied and then only can a genuine miracle" be confirmed.

Jarnail Singhjapposatnamwaheguru:japposatnamwaheguru:japposatnamwaheguru:japposatnamwaheguru:japposatnamwaheguru:

I am truly blessed :whatzpointkudi:

Maybe I will start a tea stain craze? :sippingcoffee:

 

[Astroboy]

Quote:
If we do not see clearly through such as "garbage in -garbage out" we have issues

Thanks for all your wonderful comments. It only strengthens my sense of positivity in all of this incident. We can choose to see garbage or we can choose to pick up the pearls from the sand. The latter is harder but worthwhile. Life's lessons pretty come in a mixed bag of positive and negative elements.

It is how we choose to see life that makes us express it in that fashion. The choice is always yours. I choose to see the good in this rumalla incident. Imagine all the good stories which are going to come forth from this.

I thank the starter of the thread to allow me to express the positivity here. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Thank you.

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

Ambarsariah Ji.
My dad did take out one such and give him a whack - bothphilosophical and physical.
This man was a stingy poker who lived just across the Gurdawra and had a large garden full of flowers..BUT he made it a habit to walk around the Gurdwara garden (planted by my dad who was granthi) and pluck flowers...wash them..and then place them NOT on the ground in front of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..BUT ON the Rumallah covering the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. dad told him a few times nicely and politley...that water drips on to the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...and spoils the paper etc. But he persisted saying as a HINDU, he has to follow the Practise whereby the IDOL has flowers showered on it. dad told him..look here..first of all Gurbani condemns such actions whereby LIVING CREATIONS are plucked and rendered DEAD and then showered on the "embodiment of the creator"..pati torreh malnii.patee patee jeeo....the gardner breaking flowers when hes supposed to care for them...and secondly Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is NOT a IDOL..so just matha tek the flowers near the goluck....when dad saw him doing the same thing the enxt morning...he lost his cool..and rest is history..my dad was not named DALER for nothing...and the best part..the man stopped placing wet flowers on the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji rumallahs and beagn to matha tek in front of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji like all of us do...

2. I didnt pay any ATTENTION then..or I may have DISCOVERED many such "Khandas and Guru nanaks jis face, EK oangkaar etc etc on those WET Rumallahs long ago...Back then in the 1960's Sikhs were NOT so sophisticated i guess...so we just replaced the wet rumallahs with new dry ones...OR...Sikh sangats DIDNT "NEED" such "miracles" to have a reason to come visit the Gurdwara....back then we came each Sunday punctually because the Karrah parshaad tasted heavenly...and Sikhs didnt suffer from diabetes/heart disese like now which forces most of us to take a TINY speck of parshaad !!!...so YES..the "miracle" may be necesary to bring the sangat back to the Gurdwara !!! So can I expect more such miracles ??? Each new miracle will have to be "better..more bizarre..becasue the same old thing gets BORING..and sangats may stop if its the same miracle...

 

[Mai Harinder Kaur]

Before we get too far into the T-Stain Miracle of the Sikhs, I feel the need to point out that in the USA right now, The Tea Party is a bunch of right-wing wackos trying to catapult the United States of America back to the 18th century. Thus, among many in the West, T has kind of gotten a bad connotation.

So might I suggest that we embrace some other stain? Coffee perhaps or haldi milk, which is vile-tasting stuff unless you add a bit of honey or maple syrup for vegans. The coffee, of course, must be decaffeinated, as Khalsa are instructed to avoid intoxicants.

Both tea and coffee stains have a rather messy look to them. I personally favour haldi. It makes a truly lovely yellow-gold stain, a colour worthy of a miracle. I have made pictures of what these miracle stains might look like

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

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[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

Mai Ji..even the "visually impaired" can SEE the Khanda images in your posting..BUT I bet my last cent that 99.99% of all those who flocked to the Gurdwara to"see" the STAIN on the rumallah...DONT KNOW beyond OORRa AAeirra EERREE ( ABC of Gurmukhi)and wouldnt wnat to spend any EFFORT to learn Gurmukhi/Gurbani either !! Its so much FUN and so easy to SEE STAINS...than spend hours daily for a decade to learn gurmukhi then gurbani etc...icecreamkauricecreamkauricecreamkaur

 

[Mai Harinder Kaur]

Mai Ji..even the "visually impaired" can SEE the Khanda images in your posting..BUT I bet my last cent that 99.99% of all those who flocked to the Gurdwara to"see" the STAIN on the rumallah...DONT KNOW beyond OORRa AAeirra EERREE ( ABC of Gurmukhi)and wouldnt wnat to spend any EFFORT to learn Gurmukhi/Gurbani either !! Its so much FUN and so easy to SEE STAINS...than spend hours daily for a decade to learn gurmukhi then gurbani etc...icecreamkauricecreamkauricecreamkaur

I thought of that and toyed with the idea of purely random splotches. I think that making khanda stains was a lot more fun, though. I'm not sure about strawberry ice cream stains.

Our Gurus have given us an incredibly pure, beautiful religion/belief system/way of life. Yet, it seems in one way or another, we are insistent on mucking it up. I rarely make fun of others' beliefs, but once in a while something comes along that is irresistible. Perhaps I should try selling my "stains" on eBay. Jesus in a potato chip, Virgin Mary in a mirror, OM on the side of a cow, why not khandas in photoshop? peacesignkaur (Is it true the the "Peace sign/V for victory" in the northern hemisphere is quite obscene in the southern?)
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[Randip Singh]

Before we get too far into the T-Stain Miracle of the Sikhs, I feel the need to point out that in the USA right now, The Tea Party is a bunch of right-wing wackos trying to catapult the United States of America back to the 18th century. Thus, among many in the West, T has kind of gotten a bad connotation.

So might I suggest that we embrace some other stain? Coffee perhaps or haldi milk, which is vile-tasting stuff unless you add a bit of honey or maple syrup for vegans. The coffee, of course, must be decaffeinated, as Khalsa are instructed to avoid intoxicants.

Both tea and coffee stains have a rather messy look to them. I personally favour haldi. It makes a truly lovely yellow-gold stain, a colour worthy of a miracle. I have made pictures of what these miracle stains might look like

Indeed......but alas, I was born in England, and you you what happens to a cool calm Englishman if he doesn't get his tea on time with cucumber sandwiches. Tes stans on everyone

 

[Ambarsaria]

Indeed......but alas, I was born in England, and you you what happens to a cool calm Englishman if he doesn't get his tea on time with cucumber sandwiches. Tes stans on everyone

Randip Singh ji the importance of tea parties in British culture never to be underestimated as you say,

My father on the left Mahna Singh, M.A., B. T., who was mostly Headmaster of Khalsa High/Higher Secondary Schools in Punjab. Namely,

• Moga
• Guru Ramdas School, Amritsar
• Khalsa College Higher Secondary School, Amritsar
• Sarhali School, Distt Amritsar

He was Head Granthi at Shepherd's Bush Gurdwara first at Sinclair Rd, London and later at the new location. He passed away in 1989 in Punjab.

Sat Sri Akal

 

[spnadmin]

The photo is priceless. And the message is so true. Thanks.

 

[Chaan Pardesi]

As a direct result of the explanation I gave over this issue ,I suspect I have been made victim of cyber harrasment by a COWARDLY badly infected mouth.It is from too low a life to qoute all that was written to me, but it would certainly be passed to the police, who specialise in cyber harrasment.

How ever I would be sending a copy of this to Giani Jarnail Singh Ji and leave him to explain just how low it is of the cowardly animal to send me such pathethic words.

I have been on the nets since about 1995, and involved often in many debates some of them have been far serious than THIS view.But to date have never been a victim of such low life vomit prone individual language from anyone.

It shows that there are many talibanised so called "sikhs" out there, who are not matured enough to take an opposing view based upon Gurbani.

I have also had a series of calls on my mobile where the caller hangs up as soon as I answer.It has been confirmed these calls are from Malaysia

I work in Forensics myself, therefore it does not need to take two and two to add up to four to make sense for me.

I believe the kertar singh ji is not genuine and has communicated to a-- bt.net user [perhaps a relative] in UK to send me such stupid and cowardly mail.But such stupid {censored}s do not realise that such emails are taken seriously by police in UK and investigated.I have also sent a copy of the message to SPadmin.

Copy of address enclosed:-

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I have the email content, sender, recipient on file if there is a further need to follow up. However this is not a good idea, and have removed it from public view. One does not know what the next step will be or who of all the millions of Internet users will see the information and use it for his/her own purposes. spnadmin

 

[Ambarsaria]

Chaan Pardesi ji your post just corroborates the fallacy that was suspected by most level minded.

Only the good like you attract such zealots. As the saying goes, " Truth Hurts".

Shame on such people.

Take care.

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[Caspian]

Gullability ofcourse

It refreshing to finally agree with most of you guys

@ Mai Harinder Kaur

I want to believe that your bit about "caffeine must be avoided because its an intoxicant" was just a funny little remark that shows how not to take your religion too seriously. But i seriously doubt that caffeine was on the guru's mind when they suggested intoxicants shouldnt be allowed. Having said that, caffeine is more dangerous and kills more people annually then maryjauna, psylocibin (mushrooms), and lsd combined! (combined, lsd, weed and mushrooms account for 0 deaths annually though ). So perhaps your right, it would have been more beneficial to avoid caffeine