Yes, I would agree with you on that. And it sounds more like something that Banda Singh would have said. Actually I like the quote no matter who said it. This however is always the problem with "what Guru Gobind said." I am not quarreling with you, just noting the difficulty of pinning down authenticity for anything related to Dasam Patshah. It is troublesome.
Raj Bina Nahin Dharam Chale Hain, Dharam Bina Sab Dalle Malle Hain
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Yes, I would agree with you on that. And it sounds more like something that Banda Singh would have said. Actually I like the quote no matter who said it. This however is always the problem with "what Guru Gobind said." I am not quarreling with you, just noting the difficulty of pinning down authenticity for anything related to Dasam Patshah. It is troublesome.
There is so much "kachi bani" floating around...ever since the time of GURU AMARDASS JI....that we have to be careful and use the litmus test of SGGS for each tuk...
IF it passes..it can be used..if it fails..discard it..
This is why Guru Amardass ji warned us in Anand Sahib.."Satgur Bina hor kachee bani..kehndeh kacche sundeh kaccheh kachhee aakh vikhanne.." the SATGUR ingredient is a MUST.
Now with the IT..Internet etc..single tuks ( even form SGGS) taken OUT OF CONTEXT..spreading like wild fire to spread MISINFORMATION is getting so common..
Various jingles..like Sarson ki Mala..Naam khumaree Nnaka etc etc all are NOT Gurbani or Guru's words..but man made assertions seeking to be gurbani/guru sayings..
2. Problem with SIKHS..our historicla literature esp the post Guru Gobind Singh Ji one is in ARCHAIC BRIJ BHASHA..sant bhasha thats very difficult to understand or PINPOINT. Which SIKH has Sarb Loh granth Panth parksah etc etc at his finger tips ?? The Language etc is typical BIPPAR trick to MONOPOLISE the same way he did before the SGGS was written in COMMON Mans langauge to CIRCUMVENT this strangelhold on knowledge..same thing now happening to these so called Sikh granths...all huge..out of print..in difficult langauge etc make them inaccessible to the common SIKH..
3. SIKHS TRADITIONALLY BELIEVE anything..thats why for last hundred years they have been swalloing hook line and sinker whatever RUBBISH the sants brahmgyanis said...fake sakhis fairy tales with no basis day in and day out..even respected Sikh institutions simply make claims..its written in so and so granth etc..knowing very well NO BODY WILL CHECK...!!!
IF it passes..it can be used..if it fails..discard it..
This is why Guru Amardass ji warned us in Anand Sahib.."Satgur Bina hor kachee bani..kehndeh kacche sundeh kaccheh kachhee aakh vikhanne.." the SATGUR ingredient is a MUST.
Now with the IT..Internet etc..single tuks ( even form SGGS) taken OUT OF CONTEXT..spreading like wild fire to spread MISINFORMATION is getting so common..
Various jingles..like Sarson ki Mala..Naam khumaree Nnaka etc etc all are NOT Gurbani or Guru's words..but man made assertions seeking to be gurbani/guru sayings..
2. Problem with SIKHS..our historicla literature esp the post Guru Gobind Singh Ji one is in ARCHAIC BRIJ BHASHA..sant bhasha thats very difficult to understand or PINPOINT. Which SIKH has Sarb Loh granth Panth parksah etc etc at his finger tips ?? The Language etc is typical BIPPAR trick to MONOPOLISE the same way he did before the SGGS was written in COMMON Mans langauge to CIRCUMVENT this strangelhold on knowledge..same thing now happening to these so called Sikh granths...all huge..out of print..in difficult langauge etc make them inaccessible to the common SIKH..
3. SIKHS TRADITIONALLY BELIEVE anything..thats why for last hundred years they have been swalloing hook line and sinker whatever RUBBISH the sants brahmgyanis said...fake sakhis fairy tales with no basis day in and day out..even respected Sikh institutions simply make claims..its written in so and so granth etc..knowing very well NO BODY WILL CHECK...!!!
Hehe for me this line is an inaccurate representation of Sikhi.
We need morality to run the politics. We don't need political control to run morals.
In the long run, a Sikh doesn't care for state, land, politics etc. Sikh survives anywhere he goes on Simran. That is the greatest strength. They can take away everything from us. Hang us upside down and even cut our hair. But they can never take Simran away from us while we breathe.
We need morality to run the politics. We don't need political control to run morals.
In the long run, a Sikh doesn't care for state, land, politics etc. Sikh survives anywhere he goes on Simran. That is the greatest strength. They can take away everything from us. Hang us upside down and even cut our hair. But they can never take Simran away from us while we breathe.
It also sounds more "GRAND" if MUKHWAAK Patshai dasveen..than plain old Banda singh said it...!!! There is NOT a Single Mukhwaak pat 10 in the Original DG..just think about it..
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh
I think we should only look into Gurbani for True guidance as "Satguru bina hor kachi he bani"
ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਰਾਜਿ ਮਾਲਿ ਮਨਿ ਸੋਰੁ ॥
जोरु न राजि मालि मनि सोरु ॥
Jor na rāj māl man sor.
No power to rule, with wealth and occult mental powers.
ਰਾਜਿ ਮਾਲਿ = ਰਾਜ ਮਾਲ ਵਿਚ, ਰਾਜ ਮਾਲ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕਰਨ ਵਿਚ। ਸੋਰੁ = ਰੌਲਾ, ਫੂੰ-ਫਾਂ।
ਇਸ ਰਾਜ ਤੇ ਮਾਲ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕਰਨ ਵਿਚ ਭੀ ਸਾਡਾ ਕੋਈ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਚੱਲਦਾ (ਜਿਸ ਰਾਜ ਤੇ ਮਾਲ ਦੇ ਕਾਰਨ ਸਾਡੇ) ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਫੂੰ-ਫਾਂ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ।
For better understanding kindly read the Pauri at
Source - http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=7&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&fb=0&k=1
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh
Waheguru ji ki fateh
I think we should only look into Gurbani for True guidance as "Satguru bina hor kachi he bani"
ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਰਾਜਿ ਮਾਲਿ ਮਨਿ ਸੋਰੁ ॥
जोरु न राजि मालि मनि सोरु ॥
Jor na rāj māl man sor.
No power to rule, with wealth and occult mental powers.
ਰਾਜਿ ਮਾਲਿ = ਰਾਜ ਮਾਲ ਵਿਚ, ਰਾਜ ਮਾਲ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕਰਨ ਵਿਚ। ਸੋਰੁ = ਰੌਲਾ, ਫੂੰ-ਫਾਂ।
ਇਸ ਰਾਜ ਤੇ ਮਾਲ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕਰਨ ਵਿਚ ਭੀ ਸਾਡਾ ਕੋਈ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਚੱਲਦਾ (ਜਿਸ ਰਾਜ ਤੇ ਮਾਲ ਦੇ ਕਾਰਨ ਸਾਡੇ) ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਫੂੰ-ਫਾਂ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ।
For better understanding kindly read the Pauri at
Source - http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=7&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&fb=0&k=1
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh
jatinderpal singh
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Dharam bina na raaj chale hai, Dharam Bina Sab Dalle Malle Hain" this is correct......line.
The issue is this: When the Sikh Raaj is established - Raaj Karega Khalsa - will there be any proselytizing? Personally I think not - that is not our way - also there may be many willing to adopt Sikhi vs formally becoming Khalsa - so where is the line drawn? Both Islam and Christianity were partially spread at the point of the sword - Sikhs will not do that - while the quote makes sense - it would appear to be less applicable in the context of a Sikh Raaj
Personally I think the Guru ji created the image of the Khalsa precisely for that reason - it simply cannot be forced on anyone - it needs to come from the heart
Personally I think the Guru ji created the image of the Khalsa precisely for that reason - it simply cannot be forced on anyone - it needs to come from the heart
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Sat Sri Akaal,
Dharam is an individual spiritual process, and politics is a collective spiritual way.
If the individual spiritual process, doesnot make the way of collective spiritual way that is politics, the level of individuals is not attained, and there will be no dharma ie individual sustenance also.
And there will be CHAOS or confusion prevailing.
ONE can easily reflect upon physical situations and mental states.
And the correlation can be realised of meta physical reality.
Collective spirituality or ONENESS of spiritual persons shall come with understanding.
Only that will make it sustainable as dharma and for protection there is politics and policy making.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
Dharam is an individual spiritual process, and politics is a collective spiritual way.
If the individual spiritual process, doesnot make the way of collective spiritual way that is politics, the level of individuals is not attained, and there will be no dharma ie individual sustenance also.
And there will be CHAOS or confusion prevailing.
ONE can easily reflect upon physical situations and mental states.
And the correlation can be realised of meta physical reality.
Collective spirituality or ONENESS of spiritual persons shall come with understanding.
Only that will make it sustainable as dharma and for protection there is politics and policy making.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
Quote from: https://www.facebook.com
"Raj Bina Nahin Dharam Chale Hain Dharam Bina Sab Dalle Malle Hain"
Ek Sampardaa Dey Veer Kehindey Ki Eh Guru Gobind Singh Ji Ney Keha Hoya Dasam Granth Vich. Par Asal Vich Eh Pangtiaa Ehna Cho Kisi Vi Granth Ch Nahi Han 1) Sri Dasam Granth; 2) Sarbloh Granth; 3) Bhai Gurdas Vaaran; 4)Bhai Nand Lal Gazala. Oh Veer Isnu Eh Keh Kay Parcharday Han Ki Guru Sahib Khalistan Banaun Day Chaahvaan han.
Par Asal Ch Eh Panktiaa Bhai Sukha Singh Nay Gurvilas Patshahi 10vi Vich Likhea Han. Eh Kitaab Ek History Book Hai Atay Eh Pankti Baba Banda Bahadur Dey Sirhand Fateh Dey Baad Di Halaat Bian Karday Hoye Kavi Nay Kavita Dey Style Ch Likhi Hai.
So Jo Veer Iss Poem/Kavita Nu Gurbani Kehinday Han; Oh Rabb Kolo Daran.
Jhooth Na Bolo, Gumrah Na Karo Ji........
"Raj Bina Nahin Dharam Chale Hain Dharam Bina Sab Dalle Malle Hain"
Ek Sampardaa Dey Veer Kehindey Ki Eh Guru Gobind Singh Ji Ney Keha Hoya Dasam Granth Vich. Par Asal Vich Eh Pangtiaa Ehna Cho Kisi Vi Granth Ch Nahi Han 1) Sri Dasam Granth; 2) Sarbloh Granth; 3) Bhai Gurdas Vaaran; 4)Bhai Nand Lal Gazala. Oh Veer Isnu Eh Keh Kay Parcharday Han Ki Guru Sahib Khalistan Banaun Day Chaahvaan han.
Par Asal Ch Eh Panktiaa Bhai Sukha Singh Nay Gurvilas Patshahi 10vi Vich Likhea Han. Eh Kitaab Ek History Book Hai Atay Eh Pankti Baba Banda Bahadur Dey Sirhand Fateh Dey Baad Di Halaat Bian Karday Hoye Kavi Nay Kavita Dey Style Ch Likhi Hai.
So Jo Veer Iss Poem/Kavita Nu Gurbani Kehinday Han; Oh Rabb Kolo Daran.
Jhooth Na Bolo, Gumrah Na Karo Ji........
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Sat Sri Akaal,
TRULY written and well said. we need MORALITY TO RUN THE POLITICS,
Are we running, are citizens having frame work for running politics,.
Are citizens who are seeking morality, are coming forward to decide on MORALITY of
POLITICIANS and POLICE and policy makers.
or POLITICIANS are rules over TAX PAYERS, they can alter any rule for convenience.
For Eg
The new rule to reduce the public offence and teach them morality, challan is made 50 times.
This was a very effective step, challans were reduced, people were carefull and morality was introduced by this WAY. But what about IMMORAL police implementing and exploiting common people. THERE SHALL BE PROOF OF OFFENCE MANDATORY FOR CHALLANING. Do government has facility before imposing such NORM are they not aware of there practices.
And when Political Person do Corruption, than challan shall be seizing there wealth, which they have hoarded while ruling, and that will improve POLITICS.
Can citizen frame laws for LEADERSHIP to be ethical, than only political people will understand its not ruling but HIGHER MORAL SERVICE of humanity.
WORDS and PRACTICE of ESSENCE of WORD brings transformation in WORLD.
We are far way from practice, thought is GOOD, but better if implemented in REALITY and bring in PRACTICE.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
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Sikhs can win but not retain. Why have we not claimed Maharaja Ranjit Singh's Khalsa kingdom from the British? Both Baba Banda Singh Bahadur and Maharaja Ranjit Singh established Khalsa Raj and not their own kingdoms; hence the right inheritor is the Khalsa for which it should fight.
Babbar__khalsa
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These lines were written by Bhai Sukha Singh after Sirhind Victory by Baba Banda Singh Bahadur ji
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa! Wahguru Ji Ki Fateh!!
Can anyone please explain that statement to me?
"There is not a single mukhvak patshahi dasveen in the original Dasam Granth"
I always thought that the Jaap Sahib was composed by Sahib-e-Kamaal
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The "shastran k adheen........" Isn't Sri Mukhvaak by guru Gobind singh,
But it was from writing of later Singhs that later became famous amongst Sikhs... Which in modern times was Immortalised by Balbir singh bharpur in his fiery speech
The quote, irrespective of who wrote it, is important part of Sikh memory and brings up alot of emotions in Sikhs when it is repeated....
But it was from writing of later Singhs that later became famous amongst Sikhs... Which in modern times was Immortalised by Balbir singh bharpur in his fiery speech
The quote, irrespective of who wrote it, is important part of Sikh memory and brings up alot of emotions in Sikhs when it is repeated....
I think, the actual wording is:
Dharam Bina Nahin Raj Chale Hain,
Dharam Bina Sab Dalle Malle Hain...
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Source?
Dharam Bina Na Raaj Chale Hain. Dharam Bina Sab Dhalle Malle Hain. This Is The Right Lines
DHARAM BINA NA RAAJ CHALE HAIN DHARAM BINA SAB DHALLE MALLE HAIN THIS IS CORRECT LINES..
www.sikhphilosophy.net
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Lol did you just refered to something even you asked the source of and you never got ?
Dharam Bina Na Raaj Chale Hain. Dharam Bina Sab Dhalle Malle Hain. This Is The Right Lines
DHARAM BINA NA RAAJ CHALE HAIN DHARAM BINA SAB DHALLE MALLE HAIN THIS IS CORRECT LINES..
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