Same Sex Marriage Ceremonies In Gurdwara

[Ishna]

Are you saying that if the British never went to India, there would be no materialism in India?

And yes, the British did a lot of things in history which were underhanded and cruel. Like most other human civilisations on the planet. Go humans.

 

[Ambarsaria]

And what about need of money in 100 of other places of life ?At that time you start crying we are poor we don't have money

kds1980 ji take a deep breath please don't get angry. Not everyone thinks like you, me, spnadmin, ishna, harry haller, the person buying the phone, etc. That is life. You don't set rules for others and they don't set rules for you.

Let us have a cool discourse versus "lower case" shouting in posts. Some of the posts might as well be in capitals.

Have a great morning and a great day and same to everyone at spn.

Sat Sri Akal.

PS: Ishna ji British are as normal as anyone else if not very civil and I prove it with the following,

My father at a Tea Party hosted by the Queen in London, UK. See how intently she is listening besides being a Monarch. She is much Younger than my deceased father when the picture was taken and is showing sense of great understanding and manners that will put many to shame. British recognized Sikhs and understood them better than anyone else. Yes there were issues but those are run of the mill when countries try to take over other countries.

 

[kds1980]

kds1980 ji take a deep breath please don't get angry. Not everyone thinks like you, me, spnadmin, ishna, harry haller, the person buying the phone, etc. That is life. You don't set rules for others and they don't set rules for you.

I am not angry ,i don't understand why my post give impression that I am in rage,is it because I don't use smilies :singhsippingcoffee::

 

[Ambarsaria]

I am not angry ,i don't understand why my post give impression that I am in rage,is it because I don't use smilies :singhsippingcoffee::

Oh God, that smilie thingy is magic. Do use these and I many times do. What a service by Mai Harinder Kaur ji.

Your post changes to a mellow delivery by at least 50% with that smilie. No kidding, it helps.

Have a great day. Put that cup away I want to mundahug. I hope you are not Homophobic as I only mean a basic Jaffi (hug) of friendship and nothing more.

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[Harry Haller]

Harry ji

I think you misinterpretted my post I am not saying that Sikhs are converting,but they are slowly assimilating in hinduism ,there is difference between conversion and assimilation.Large number of Sikhs inter marrying with Hindu's ,Sikh women keeping karva chauth even for their Sikh husbands,Going to Pandits and over all bollywood and Tv serials who regularly show Sikhs as Hindu's



You are wrong my friend ,20 years ago India was socialist country where even having Color TV was Luxury.People used to lead simple religious family based lifestyle,Sikhs use to love kirtan ,katha gurbani .Don't use word like that Sikhs were dragged or something

I apologise for using the word dragged,maybe it only applied to me at the time, however you do have a point, whenever I have been in India, yes, the atmosphere has been different, the lack of merc S classes, people dressed for Gurdwara, not a night club, the langar a nice simple affair, the distinct lack of chatter from the aunties, I concede dear friend that the Gurdwaras, and the concept of worship outside of India is possibly different, so I will limit my comments to my own experiences in the UK. peacesign

However, I think the constant blame of the rise in materialism on the west is unfair. I agree with your comment about nurses buying top end mobile phones they possibly cannot afford, but we are now going down another path here. This subject is extremely close to my heart, are you easily influenced? no. That is one thing I do respect about you, you are educated and intelligent, if somewhat closed minded, but you will stand for what you believe in, as indeed will I. If people are that malleable that they will copy and imitate what they see in the decadent west, well then if it isn't mobile phones it would be something else. Sometimes you speak of India as this perfect, socialistic, spiritual country that was led astray by the West. Dear friend what is the point of all the spiritualness and socialism in the world if the majority cannot resist the temptations that are put before them. Are we who we are because we have been kept away from temptation, or can we define ourselves given the presence of this temptation. Example, a gursikh married, non drinking, gets into bad company, starts drinking, sleeping around, ends up divorced living in a bedsit, whose fault? You may blame the company, I would say that if our gursikh was complete in himself , it would not be that easy for him to be led astray. You are like a father wanting to protect his young from modernisation and all the pitfalls that it comes with. At some stage you have to expose people to life, and that includes wanting to have the latest phone, and the biggest car, making mistakes, realising that next time the phone will have to wait, that big cars are costly to run, the people will educate themselves, ultimately, hopefully we will see a society that has seen it all, done it all, and has moved on to something better

 

[Harry Haller]

Ambersariaji

Beautiful photo, there is nothing as heartwarming as seeing a smiling sardar

 

[kds1980]

However, I think the constant blame of the rise in materialism on the west is unfair. I agree with your comment about nurses buying top end mobile phones they possibly cannot afford, but we are now going down another path here. This subject is extremely close to my heart, are you easily influenced? no. That is one thing I do respect about you, you are educated and intelligent, if somewhat closed minded, but you will stand for what you believe in, as indeed will I. If people are that malleable that they will copy and imitate what they see in the decadent west, well then if it isn't mobile phones it would be something else.

Harry ji

The materialism has to be blamed ,the population of India and China is too large ,if people here cannot control their material desire's then they are inviting destruction .We have limited resources ,we are not Canada or Australia which have 2-3 times land and many other resources but only 2% of India's population.In past few years whatever middle class youth I have spoken to ,none of them talk about morality or honesty.They all talk about how they can make more and more money.Recently I was hearing a discussion on recent campaings of India of Ramdev and Anna hazare on TV ,On that show One lady said its good that so many youths are supporting anti corruption movements ,but the generation that is surviving on EMI's and electronic consumer goods are they ready to sacrifice their lifestyle as most of money is coming from corruption?She also mention that to reduce corruption we have to go back to some of our simple lifestyle roots

Sometimes you speak of India as this perfect, socialistic, spiritual country that was led astray by the West. Dear friend what is the point of all the spiritualness and socialism in the world if the majority cannot resist the temptations that are put before them. Are we who we are because we have been kept away from temptation, or can we define ourselves given the presence of this temptation. Example, a gursikh married, non drinking, gets into bad company, starts drinking, sleeping around, ends up divorced living in a bedsit, whose fault? You may blame the company, I would say that if our gursikh was complete in himself , it would not be that easy for him to be led astray. You are like a father wanting to protect his young from modernisation and all the pitfalls that it comes with. At some stage you have to expose people to life, and that includes wanting to have the latest phone, and the biggest car, making mistakes, realising that next time the phone will have to wait, that big cars are costly to run, the people will educate themselves, ultimately, hopefully we will see a society that has seen it all, done it all, and has moved on to something better

I never say that India is perfect but still the way India survived ,the way it escaped communism is nothing short of miracle .sometime it surprises you how many people which are living in extreme poverty never revolted