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Sexual Intercourse, Need Or A Want?

Need or Want?

  • Need

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justosh

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harry haller ji,
with all due respect, people learn at different paces and as you said its a concept, maybe it does not make sense to her. please explain it to her, just as Guru ji would..... because we are meant to be the roop of guru ji

please do not think i am disrespecting you

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Lol, I already made my point. Basically it is OK for your partner, not for anyone else though. Kaam is used by everyone to have children, even great avatars/gurus have children lol, that doesn't mean that they sinned in that area xD

In the case of Avtars, how would one explain Krishna's behaviour?

How about Indira's affair and subsequent curse?

I don't think this is a good example winkingmunda
 

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how would one explain Krishna's behaviour

Veer Ji It is said Arjuna saw the Universe in Lord Krishna's mouth, I guess we will have to explain that first and his behaviour second ,it is hard to explain because he's not the norm ,he is considered an Avtar so we can't make a proper comparison with the common man.
 
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Kamala

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In the case of Avtars, how would one explain Krishna's behaviour?

How about Indira's affair and subsequent curse?

I don't think this is a good example winkingmunda
What do you mean by Indira? Who is Indira? Indira Ghandi, Lord Inder??

Krishna was a prankster, and anyways Dwapar Yug was soo far back, and in that time nudity was not considered bad for normal citizens lol, it was only when the Gorays came they gave Indians gandi naazar lol. Even if you see the old murti of the Goddesses they are mostly all nude, now they wear clothes in mandirs because of gandi naazar, and when seen nude, people would see motherly love, not partner love :)
 

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Lol, I already made my point. Basically it is OK for your partner, not for anyone else though. Kaam is used by everyone to have children, even great avatars/gurus have children lol, that doesn't mean that they sinned in that area xD

NO...NOT "Kaam"....just plain every day SEX. Kaam is NOT "sex"...Kaam is LUST....and I dont think the Gurus bhagats were LUSTY....and in Gurmat there is no concept of Sin/Paap/Punn etc.
 

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What do you mean by Indira? Who is Indira? Indira Ghandi, Lord Inder??

Krishna was a prankster, and anyways Dwapar Yug was soo far back, and in that time nudity was not considered bad for normal citizens lol, it was only when the Gorays came they gave Indians gandi naazar lol. Even if you see the old murti of the Goddesses they are mostly all nude, now they wear clothes in mandirs because of gandi naazar, and when seen nude, people would see motherly love, not partner love :)

not fair to blame the Gorays for all that...are the Goray stilla round..and is that the reason ONLY INDIA has this problem called EVE TEASING..and a LAW to combat that ??...

NO Jios..GURU NANAK Ji explained it all so nicely...DONT BLAME..KALYUG...( and by extension Gorays, Frenchies, chinks ruskies afghaans pakistanis...etc etc etc..)...in Satyug...Dwapur..Treta..kalyug..its the EXACT SAME SUN, MOON, STARS..EARTH..WATERS..rivers oceans, deserts, cities..ITS THE PEOPLE who are to BLAME...If a father rapes his 8 year old grandchild...is it due to "KALYUG" ?? NO.period. Its due to the depraved Grand daddy !! whats Kalyug got to do with it ??
So dont blame anyone any time..any yug etc etc..that is looking for loopholes excuses..bahanebaazee...Blame the PERSON.....
The GORAY have NUDE BEACHES..with the most beautiful girls prancing around..and the ONLY people GAWKING at these till their eyeballs hurt are INDIANS..Pakistanis..Iranians..etc etc..the Goray dont even LOOK second time...while the Indians SALIVATE like ******* in heat...why ??? Goray never TEASE Girls..Indians tease even female children in Kindergarten......cant get enough !!

In my opinion the Inder is Lord Inder..the Demi god. Those demi gods were LUSTY FELLOWS.....lusting after even their own DAUGHTERS...i am not saying it..the religious texts say:grinningkaur: that...
 

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IS this the "prankster" ?? kamala ji talks about ? IF he is a "prankster" and its OK to be one..then why is India having an Anti EVE TEASING LAW ?? After all just blowing a whistle at a girl passing by is much much less than taking away all her clothes and having her beg for them ???...BUT Indian Police will ARREST such "modern pranksters" as BHOOND ASHIKS...and give them a beating in public...BUT how is it that an AVTAAR gets scott free ?? is it GORAY influence on the Police ?? I just cannot understand...ZINDA SHAHEED for one READY to Give up his LIFE for a Cause seems easier to understand than this prankster logic...
 

Kamala

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not fair to blame the Gorays for all that...are the Goray stilla round..and is that the reason ONLY INDIA has this problem called EVE TEASING..and a LAW to combat that ??...

NO Jios..GURU NANAK Ji explained it all so nicely...DONT BLAME..KALYUG...( and by extension Gorays, Frenchies, chinks ruskies afghaans pakistanis...etc etc etc..)...in Satyug...Dwapur..Treta..kalyug..its the EXACT SAME SUN, MOON, STARS..EARTH..WATERS..rivers oceans, deserts, cities..ITS THE PEOPLE who are to BLAME...If a father rapes his 8 year old grandchild...is it due to "KALYUG" ?? NO.period. Its due to the depraved Grand daddy !! whats Kalyug got to do with it ??
So dont blame anyone any time..any yug etc etc..that is looking for loopholes excuses..bahanebaazee...Blame the PERSON.....
The GORAY have NUDE BEACHES..with the most beautiful girls prancing around..and the ONLY people GAWKING at these till their eyeballs hurt are INDIANS..Pakistanis..Iranians..etc etc..the Goray dont even LOOK second time...while the Indians SALIVATE like ******* in heat...why ??? Goray never TEASE Girls..Indians tease even female children in Kindergarten......cant get enough !!

In my opinion the Inder is Lord Inder..the Demi god. Those demi gods were LUSTY FELLOWS.....lusting after even their own DAUGHTERS...i am not saying it..the religious texts say:grinningkaur: that...
The gorays don't salivate since they see or watch pornography 24/7 (sarcasm) on the internet LOL! The sanskari Indians don't even go to nude beaches. Also, most Devis do NOT wear clothing, if you see my avatar on my profile you can see Sri Sarrvatomukhi not wearing any clothing, it is because of GANDI NAZAAR these days (that is why those nude girls are not a big deal, that so with the lord pranking them with the clothes on the tree, which I do not deny) with people and they jump to conclusions. I will give examples:

MODERN:
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ANCIENT:
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HOW MODERN SHOULD LOOK LIKE:
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Kamala

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NO...NOT "Kaam"....just plain every day SEX. Kaam is NOT "sex"...Kaam is LUST....and I dont think the Gurus bhagats were LUSTY....and in Gurmat there is no concept of Sin/Paap/Punn etc.
Veer ji I am 100% sure you do not know their personal life. Also law has nothing to do with religion. Anti eve teasing is mostly made up of scared people of different religions. The demi gods did not have sex with their daughters, if you have sufficient proof for a knowledgeable written source, I will believe you (I am sure if there was any you would proudly display it in your post ji). Also I can blame kalyug's citizens since this is the time where mostly everything goes wrong, the guru ji even said so as followed:

ਸ੝ਤਾ ਪਿਤਾ ਤਨ ਰਮਤ ਨਿਸ਼ੰਕਾ ॥ ਭਗਨੀ ਭਰਤ ਭ੝ਰਾਤ ਕਹ ਅੰਕਾ ॥ ਭ੝ਰਾਤ ਬਹਿਨ ਤਨ ਕਰਤ ਬਿਹਾਰਾ ॥ ਇਸਤ੝ਰੀ ਤਜੀ ਸਕਲ ਸੰਸਾਰਾ ॥੩॥
सढ़ता पिता तन रमत निशंका ॥ भगनी भरत भढ़रात कह अंका ॥ भढ़रात बहिन तन करत बिहारा ॥ इसतढ़री तजी सकल संसारा ॥३॥>
The daughter unhesitatingly enjoys with her father and the sister embraces her brother; the brother enjoys the body of the sister and the whole world relinquishes the wife.3.
ਸ਼ੰਕਰ ਬਰਨ ਪ੝ਰਜਾ ਸਭ ਹੋਈ ॥ ਝਕ ਗਯਾਤ ਕੋ ਰਹਾ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥ ਅਤਿ ਬਿਭਚਾਰ ਫਸੀ ਬਰ ਨਾਰੀ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਰੀਤ ਕੀ ਪ੝ਰੀਤ ਬਿਸਾਰੀ ॥੪॥
शंकर बरन पढ़रजा सभ होई ॥ झक गयात को रहा न कोई ॥ अति बिभचार फसी बर नारी ॥ धरम रीत की पढ़रीत बिसारी ॥४॥
All the subjects become hybrids and no one knows the other; beautiful women are engrossed in adultery and forget real love and the traditions of religion.4.

You guys also judge the book as it's cover, the gopis desired to have Krsna as their husband, and since it is only before her husband that a woman can be naked, to fulfill their desire Lord Krsna accepted their prayers by this pastime of stealing their garments.
 
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Randip Singh

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What do you mean by Indira? Who is Indira? Indira Ghandi, Lord Inder??

Krishna was a prankster, and anyways Dwapar Yug was soo far back, and in that time nudity was not considered bad for normal citizens lol, it was only when the Gorays came they gave Indians gandi naazar lol. Even if you see the old murti of the Goddesses they are mostly all nude, now they wear clothes in mandirs because of gandi naazar, and when seen nude, people would see motherly love, not partner love :)

Come on you know exactly what I mean.

Lord Krishna waged countless wars to possess women.

..as for Lord Indira, he was cursed for having carnal knowledge with another mans woman.

Nudity has nothing to do with Kaam it. ...and what with all the laughing icons? Is something funny? Have I missed a joke somewhere. Kaam is about self sexual gratification.

I believe Krishna and Indira were men like our Guru's and over time have been elevated to the status of Gods.
 

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I know I'm like gori and Western and, like, responsible for all the problems in India, but while I was surfing the internet for porn (sarcasm) I found a picture of one of those fake Western goddesses (attached).

OMG she's like, naked or whatever.

Also better tell those pesky Wiccans to stop worshipping naked, they obviously didn't get the memo.

*rolling eyes*
 

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Harry Haller

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The gorays don't salivate since they see or watch pornography 24/7 (sarcasm) on the internet

I think the credibility of your posts is questionable given statements like this, this is a world wide forum for Sikhs of all colour, not just brown ones.............

Veer ji I am 100% sure you do not know their personal life.

Also, most Devis do NOT wear clothing

Why is it Gyaniji could not know their personal life, but you have been gifted with the ability to know what they wore many thousands of years ago?
 

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Justoshji,

I have been actually thinking about this topic quite a lot recently, I have come to the conclusion that lust itself, regardless that some may find it acceptable in a marriage, is an extremely dangerous thing to play with. It is like a burning fire, and once it is alight, consumes all in its hunger for more. Marriages should be founded on love, not lust. The act of making love is possibly the closest to union that human beings can experience, the act of lustful sex is more about wanting than needing, one can need the closeness of another human being, in order to feel whole, or part of a union, but one can only ever want lust.

I am at present intending to eradicate lust from my relationship with my wife for a month, just to see what differences it makes, it is already changing me as a person, I am more interested in her as a person, rather than her as a sex object, when I think about her during the day, my thoughts are innocent and constructive, rather than lustful and destructive, what can I do to make her happy, would she prefer to come home after a hard days nursing to a cooked meal and a tidy house, and a walked dog, or would she prefer me in a curry stained vest with a leer on my face.

I think if more men attempted to eradicate lust in their marriage, there would be better communication, more closeness, more compatibility, more honesty.

Of course I am a man, and human, and I am designed to respond to lust, so, on occasion, We can be lustful, provided it is a place where we both are, not just me, but it does not have to be a daily battle, the problem with lust is it is consuming, all consuming, in my view it must be understood and made peace with and even in a marriage, moderated.
 

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LUST is the disease...meant to be destroyed/curtailed as much as possible....Kaam is a biological necessity for reproduction. Just like too much food can lead to obesity..too much kaam can also be harmful..eat to Live..kaam to make babies...Live to eat obese..live to kaam makes one a lusty old man/woman very fast..leading to rapes, molestations, eve teasing etc which actually degrades the beautiful "kaam". Guru Ji didnt quite make the distinctions becasue thats common sense...krodh is anger..out of jealousy, enmity etc..but good "krodh" is necessary in war/battle/self defense...ditto for the other so called thieves..they all have a good side and a bad side..we are to avoid the bad side.
 

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Kamala Ji..
What you quoted as GURU's words are NOT GURBANI. Such Trash is in the Bachitar natak also misnamed DG. Most Sikhs dont call it Gurbani for the obvious reason - your quote proves this point.

2. The proof of what i write is in the Hindu Religious texts...and I am "NOT PROUD" to quote such.

However I ma very very SURPRISED that you didnt bother to just GOOGLE....I ALWAYS GOOGLE...and one need not even have to be very "intelligent"...Just ask the simple way..like..:Google- Brahma and his Daughter...."..and LOL..out pops series of Pages with the correct INFORMATION...

Just this once I am giving it for your benefit ONLY ( i feel sick actually giving out such and NOT PROUD as you think..)

Google : Brahma and his daughter..
Links appear:
1. http://isearch.avg.com/pages/abt/bcnc/bcnc.aspx?q=brahma+goes+after+his+daughter&sap=nt&lang=en&mid=ae5d920a8a0e47d0bec6b1915f07c304-94abb4885c536c716c0c05f4d8d41be3851d0de4&cid={39f45454-24b3-46d8-ae24-bfc84a22335e}&v=11.1.0.7&ds=AVG&d=6%2F1%2F2012+6%3A44%3A14+AM&pr=fr&snd=hp&tc=test7

2. http://truereligiondebate.wordpress...od-and-runs-lusting-for-his-own-daughter-and/

3. http://www.messagefrommasters.com/S...hma_fell_in_love_with_his_daughter_Rohini.htm

4. http://www.sanatansociety.org/hindu_gods_and_goddesses/brahma.htm

5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakudmi
6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaveri
7. http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/594-582.aspx#startofcomments

READ and open your eyes...Most of the Hindu religious texts can be found Originally at various sites....and after that you will see WHY Many SIKHS are AGAINST the DG...because the DG is a COPYCAT version of those Hindu Texts..and says the exact same things... bringing the AUGUST GURU SAHIBS to that gutter level.

You may bring each of these articles in new THREADS in the religious discussion section of SPN for us to discuss as THIS THREAD is NOT the place for this. I ma sure many of US really want to hear your side...and your arguments with proofs from these texts... Thank you Ji.
 

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Btw i DONT agree with everything being said and written on these Forums..my only brief is with the QUOTES FROM OFFICIAL HINDU TEXTS. Those are Real and exactly as found.
The Shiva story of the vagina marks on his body are referenced in Gurbani in SGGS...and MOST Nirmalas, Udais Sants and Brahmgyanis who do katha of SGGS will ALWAYS relate THESE STORIES..simply because they come form THAT "ORANGE" background and thus they DESTROY the real and original gurmatt of Guru nanak ji shaib as does the texts in DG.
 
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