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Kanwardeep ji , What I was referring to was the overall respect of a Sikhi Saroop
among general public of Delhi . As for PS Sarna he has done a lot of good work like creating good impression of Sikhs overall, building schools,collegesetc. Regarding Sikh identity then if you are living in Punjab then I do not say anymore.Not more than 5% of Sikhs have heard about Sikh Rehat Maryada . The Sikhi Saroop is certainly reserved for people above 50 only . As someone who visits Delhi only for a day in one year this was my observation as a layman . I agree Punjabi is notr
Punjabi is not equal to Sikhi because it is this Punjabiat only which has dealt the most fatal blow to Sikhi in Punjab

I live in NCR region of Delhi.The majority sikhs of Delhi simply keep sikhi roop out of pressure from family.many sikh boys trim their beard so neatly that no one could know it.sikh girls in Delhi are marrying Hindu's like epidemic.Every other day I hear from my relatives that so and so girl have married hindu and many times the marriage is arranged.With This type of situation from how much time sikhi could exist?

Coming to college's The sikh college's mainly funded by DSGMC are among some of the worse in Delhi.I am talking it because 3 years back My brother wanted to take admission in Master of computer application and we all searched for a good sikh instituition and there was only 1 where sikh quota was available and it was not at all good reputation wise.

About school's The sikh school's are nowhere in list among top schools of Delhi
They were set up in 60s and 70 s with vision of being top schools but whenever list is published in newspaper about good schools they are not even mentioned.The result of this that good sikh students are running out of them and joining schools like Delhi public school ( DPS) where they get greater exposer to western culture

Let me add more.After breaking of our joint family I talked with some of elders of my family and I was so surprised that they have no sikhi in their heart had they been given chance they could had shed their sikhi roop much earlier.They clearly say that if their children will cut their hair or marry outside religion they will not oppose.May be many people will not like it but what people of Punjab doing is right.If they don't want to practice sikhi then its better to shed the sikhi roop at least it is much better than dikhawa what many people are doing
 
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Kanwardeep ji,

I think you cannot generalise. It is a mixed lot. On the whole I tend to agree with dalbirk ji. In comparative terms Sikhs in Delhi and outside Punjab tend to take Sikhi more seriously then those in Punjab. In Delhi too the Sikhs residing in West delhi areas like Punjabi Bagh, Vkas puri, Peetampura, Tilak Nagar etc understand & conform to Sikhi more than in our South Delhi areas.
I agree with you about the quality of educational institutes run by DSGMC. At one time when my children where studying and Dr. Singha was the Principal, Guru Harkrishan Public School, Vasant Vihar was ranked among the top ten schools of Delhi but now it has fallen on bad days.
PS Sarna is doing some good work but we live in a complex world and there are bound to be grey areas in his style of functioning too.
 
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I live in NCR region of Delhi.The majority sikhs of Delhi simply keep sikhi roop out of pressure from family.many sikh boys trim their beard so neatly that no one could know it.sikh girls in Delhi are marrying Hindu's like epidemic.Every other day I hear from my relatives that so and so girl have married hindu and many times the marriage is arranged.With This type of situation from how much time sikhi could exist?

Coming to college's The sikh college's mainly funded by DSGMC are among some of the worse in Delhi.I am talking it because 3 years back My brother wanted to take admission in Master of computer application and we all searched for a good sikh instituition and there was only 1 where sikh quota was available and it was not at all good reputation wise.

About school's The sikh school's are nowhere in list among top schools of Delhi
They were set up in 60s and 70 s with vision of being top schools but whenever list is published in newspaper about good schools they are not even mentioned.The result of this that good sikh students are running out of them and joining schools like Delhi public school ( DPS) where they get greater exposer to western culture

Let me add more.After breaking of our joint family I talked with some of elders of my family and I was so surprised that they have no sikhi in their heart had they been given chance they could had shed their sikhi roop much earlier.They clearly say that if their children will cut their hair or marry outside religion they will not oppose.May be many people will not like it but what people of Punjab doing is right.If they don't want to practice sikhi then its better to shed the sikhi roop at least it is much better than dikhawa what many people are doing

Whoever is in power will do everything to keep their religion in majority or even destroy other religions by misusing power.

That is why in India a legislation has been made that no Hindu can convert to Sikh or Muslim or Christian without the orders of the DC of that area.

On the other hand Sikh youth including girls are being made to hate the Sikhi swaroop threw various methods including porn,lachar geet,drugs,tv,media,bollywood,deras etc.This is the hidden agenda of the hindutva forces which most people dont realise and take it as a routine affair.

Just 2 days back a pakhandi baba having links with senior leaders including BJP was caught in Delhi running the biggest sex racket in India.Out of the 600 or so girls name figuring in his diaries most of them are Punjabis because Punjabies and Sikhs can be easily lured in the name of liberalism,modernism and open minded ness.
Whereas the hindu girls are undergoing "arms training" under "Durga Vahini"at various camps throughout India.

That is why it has been declared "Raaj bina naa dharam chalay hai.." Although some people even Sikhs may think it as a Khalistani agenda but it is just "common sense".

Without Raaj(power,sovreignity) Sikh dharm nahi chal sakdaa (will diminish).

The other commuinity has Raaj so they can say anything against any one in their rallies and gatherings and are called "Desh Bhagats" when another community like Sikh says even 1/4th of that for his community he is "Desh daa gadaar".

That is derawalas like Ashutosh(again RSS supported) call themselves the real Khalsas and Sikhs as Pakistani agents.

Although Hindu fascists may be thinking of destroying Sikhism but Sikh Raaj will let all flourish under the leadership of Guru Granth Sahib and according to it's principle of "Sarbaat daa bhalaa".That is why a number of Hindus even in Punjab have started supporting Khalsa Raaj which can be seen in various Khalistani rallies.

Sikh Raaj is a must for Sikhism to survive..it's common sense.
 
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You have not answered even a single of my "silly" questions. Its no use asking me to see the videos because I do not have the wherewithal to hear them.

If you dont have the wherewithal or whatever to see or hear them then that is your problem.

Please read the para carefully and patiently. WHERE HAS THE COMPARISON BEEN MADE BETWEEN OUR GURUS AND NEHRU & INDRA GANDHI? They are not even fit to be compared with a Gursikh let alone our great Gurus.

Our Gurus have taught that a Gursikh should stand like a lotus in a pool of muck and slush. He should try to first reform himself and then try to bring in changes in the society that he is a part of and not run away from it. Our Gurus brought in amazing changes in the decadent society by living in it.

Now if we wish to create a nation of Gursikhs only then what will be left for them to do?

But first try to be calm, collected and patient by doing Simran as taught by our Gurus. Please try to avoid instantly blasting anybody who engages you in a discussion.

Gurufateh and Chardiankalan to you.

Babaji,

Read my post ahead.

You are talking of a state of Gursikhs ?At the moment it is the question of survival of Sikhism.All Sikhs will never become Gursikhs till power is in our hand.

That is why Khalistan will be formed first and then we make legislations for the promotion of Sikhi.Any one standing in favour of human rights and freedom will support Khalistan.That is why a number of low and middle class hindus in Punjab have started supporting Khalistan.

The following videos which you call Khalistani propoganda and for which you dont have the wherewithal or courage to hear mentions the reasons why Khalistan is needed :

YouTube- Khalistan Speech-12 February 2010---Part 1

YouTube- Khalistan Speech-12 February 2010---Part 2

At the moment Sikhs dont have sovereignity(power to rule) that is why dogs of the center and hindutva forces like Badal,Amrinder,Bhattal,fake communists,derawalas etc are left open in Punjab to do everything so that Sikhism does not flourish or is in fact destroyed and Sikhs are made to turn away from Sikhi and indulge in brahmanical customs with the help of drugs,lachar songs,porn,bollywood etc.

The reason why we are seeing RSS and hindutva interfernce in all our Sikh institutions is because power rests with the majority they can do anything by hook or crook to thwart any legislation or rule which does not confirm with their principles.

Now dont start saying that there is no such interference.

Some Sikhs dont even realise that the festival which some of them(we dont) are going to celebrate tommorow ie Holi has nothing to do with Sikhism.

Brahmvaadi customs have been introduced into our lives ever since 1947 that Sikhs dont even know whatever they do daily in their lives confirms with Sikhism taught by our Gurus or not.

Sorry if I have hurt your feelings but truth will remain truth and has to come out one day.
 

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That is why in India a legislation has been made that no Hindu can convert to Sikh or Muslim or Christian without the orders of the DC of that area.

Could you please show me where it is written that no Hindu can convert to sikhism in Indian law?
 

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You are already a Hindu under Indian constitution.

Please reply to my question.

And forget about constituition what important what sikhs believe in their heart
As I said there are truck load of turbaned sikhs who believe that they are no different then hindu's,What you are going to do about them?

Also you mentioned about girls trained as durga vahini's.Let me tell you Hindu girls equally or if not more westernised than sikh girls it is only very few small town hindu girls that are in RSS O/W majority of girls in India dream about shahrukh, salman aamir Khan and they are muslims not Hindu's.
 
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Please reply to my question.

And forget about constituition what important what sikhs believe in their heart
As I said there are truck load of turbaned sikhs who believe that they are no different then hindu's,What you are going to do about them?

Also you mentioned about girls trained as durga vahini's.Let me tell you Hindu girls equally or if not more westernised than sikh girls it is only very few small town hindu girls that are in RSS O/W majority of girls in India dream about shahrukh, salman aamir Khan and they are muslims not Hindu's.

Why should I forget about constitution ?You are already a pagridhari Hindu according to the constitution.

I have not seen such Sikh turbaned drivers saying we are proud to be hindus.If a hindu is wearing a parna and calling himself a Sikh then that is different.

Where are Sikh versions of Durga Vahini running?Why are Durga Vahini and arms training camps for Hindutva forces running when India has police,CRPF,army?What is the purpose of Durga Vahini and the armed hindutva gangs ?

What sort of muslims these actors are we know.

We are not concerned about non Sikh girls.Hinduism is no religion and is based on made up stories

RSS is more dangerous than you can ever imagine in your dreams.The only thing is they dont do anything openly and do mostly covertly.You are already under the influence of RSS the way you keep arguing with someone speaking for Sikhi.

The reason why RSS camps are still not running"openly" in Punjab is due to our Kharkoo brothers not because of pagridhari bahmans residing mostly outside Punjab.We know what these RSS goons were doing in Punjab before they were hit in some camps in Punjab including Moga.

These are our heroes and not the pagridhari bahmans who keep licking the feet of the bahmanvaadi forces and keep comprising the unique Sikhi principles in the name of fake unity,national integration(a myth),liberalism etc or for saving their own skins :

YouTube- GuGGu DON

YouTube- ajit poohle di aakhri video


Fake pagridhari bahman,police cat and bootlicker of RSS,killer of thousands of innocent Sikhs nang Ajit Poohla burnt on 29 August same day he burnt a family with woman and a handicapped girl.Our heros who were not pagridhari Bhai Navtej Singh Guggu and Bhai Harchand Singh sent this butcher to hell.

Ajit Singh Poohla - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia.

Sikhs of Punjab will not rest till all the war criminals of the war between Center and the Sikh nation are bought to book and punished.
 
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This is what the govt mouthpiece "The Tribune" newspaper is writing about the Khalistani Conference which was held on occassion of Hola Mohalla at Anandpur Sahib ,Punjab on 28 February,2010 :

Anandpur Sahib, February 28
The issue of SGPC elections reverberated at the political conferences held on occasion of Hola Mohalla today. While the SAD-BJP leadership came down heavily on the Congress for trying to cerate a rift in Sikhs, absence of the Congress top brass at its conference venue was writ large over the occasion. SAD (Amritsar) managed to pull a big crowd with little space to stand in the huge pandal put up on the occasion.


We know every other newspaper of India will ignore this news but truth remains truth.The more the bahmanvaadi media,Punjab govt and GOI tries to censor and suppress such news and the reality the more determined Punjabis will become for self determination.

Pictures and videos of the occassion are awaited...
 

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1. ALL SIKHS get married under the HINDU Marriage Act. The Anand Marriage Act passed in 1925 was never activated...and NOT a single sikh ever got married under that.

2. ALL SIKH properties get divided under the Hindu Property diviision act.

3. Under Article 25 all sikhs etc are Hindus.

If i am wrong..please correct.
 

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Kanwardeep ji,

I think you cannot generalise. It is a mixed lot. On the whole I tend to agree with dalbirk ji. In comparative terms Sikhs in Delhi and outside Punjab tend to take Sikhi more seriously then those in Punjab. In Delhi too the Sikhs residing in West delhi areas like Punjabi Bagh, Vkas puri, Peetampura, Tilak Nagar etc understand & conform to Sikhi more than in our South Delhi areas.
I agree with you about the quality of educational institutes run by DSGMC. At one time when my children where studying and Dr. Singha was the Principal, Guru Harkrishan Public School, Vasant Vihar was ranked among the top ten schools of Delhi but now it has fallen on bad days.
PS Sarna is doing some good work but we live in a complex world and there are bound to be grey areas in his style of functioning too.


Harbans ji

I agree with you I should not generalise.The west Delhi sikhs are more in sikhi because they are middle class while we all know south Delhi is a place of now very rich people.

And yes I too studied in same Ghps for few years and my late sister studied in it for many years and at that time school was really great and we all hoped that the school will become much better in future but opposite happened.My younger cousin is still in the same school and at the time of his admission his mother was not much happy because all his cousins from mother's side were saying that get him admitted to DPS Don't go For GHPS .


Also we should not forget that No.1 blame for not rehabilitating and not getting justice for 1984 should be put on DSGMC and Sarna's role in that is highly questionable.

The comparision of Delhi and Punjab sikhs is not O.K because Delhi is city where people get many facilities while Punjab is still an agrarian state with large rural population.It is easy for Badal to befool and loot sikhs of rural Punjab than looting educated sikhs of Delhi.Anyway my only point was that may be condition of sikhi is better in Delhi than Punjab but in no way sikhs of Delhi could be considered as role models or we can say that sikhi is flourishing in Delhi.
The biggest threat for Delhi sikhs is inter religious marriage's which is more dangerous than anything because it will ultimately lead them to assimilation in Hinduism
 
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Harbans ji

I agree with you I should not generalise.The west Delhi sikhs are more in sikhi because they are middle class while we all know south Delhi is a place of now very rich people.

And yes I too studied in same Ghps for few years and my late sisters studied in it for many years and at that time school was really great and we all hoped that the school will become much better in future but opposite happened.My younger cousin is still in the same school and at the time of his admission his mother was not much happy because all his cousins from mother's side were saying that get him admitted to DPS Don't go For GHPS .


Also we should not forget that No.1 blame for not rehabilitating and not getting justice for 1984 should be put on DSGMC and Sarna's role in that is highly questionable.

The comparision of Delhi and Punjab sikhs is not O.K because Delhi is city where people get many facilities while Punjab is still an agrarian state with large rural population.It is easy for Badal to befool and loot sikhs of rural Punjab than looting educated sikhs of Delhi.Anyway my only point was that may be condition of sikhi is better in Delhi than Punjab but in no way sikhs of Delhi could be considered as role models or we can say that sikhi is flourishing in Delhi.
The biggest threat for Delhi sikhs is inter religious marriage's which is more dangerous than anything because it will ultimately lead them to assimilation in Hinduism
Kanwardeep Ji ,
This inter-religious marriages are happening due to lack of knowledge regarding Sikh principles , beliefs & Sikh Rehat Maryada amongst a large no of Sikhs in all over India not only Delhi . Even the elderly persons do not know anything about Sikhi . It is IMHO due lack of religious education in Sikh schools , lack of emphasis on Sikh education from parents to children especially post 1984 due to some mistaken beliefs that keeping them way from Sikhi's education will bring them closer to parents as well as to the mainstream Indian secular lifestyle . Actually the opposite is happening , the children in absence of religious education are very less spiritually inclined hence more into eating , drinking, making merry routine where they have no regards for parents . Girls are more prone to brainwash due to media effect which is clean shaven means glamorous & more satisfying sexually . Even when things do not work out they are at a loss to know what is the right way . Where did they go wrong . Parents are virtually begging to children for attention for the fear of social stigma .
In 2007 when Dera Sacha Sauda crisis hit Punjab , I wrote to SGPC & visited Makkar personally in his home ( he is our neighbour ) wherein I suggested them that GURMAT PRAKASH the monthly magazine of SGPC be posted free for whole life ( lifetime cost Rs.200) to all of 3.6 million ( 36 lac ) Sikh families of Punjab . The total cost will come to about 72 crore rupees ( 15 Million US dollars ) which can be furthur divided into five years ie 14.5 crores ( 3 Million USD) . this way each & every Sikh household will be free of all maladies like Dera Waad , Babawaad / Santwaad , Alcohal , Drugs , Apostateness for ever & Sikhi will start growing by leaps & bounds . It is my belief that whole of the Indian Dalits as well as lower middle classes can be brought to Sikhi fold in a matter of few decades , Sikh population will swell by over 250 million from 25 million presently if we utilize the available resources with us . But sadly nothing came out of that . It was much late that I realised that Badal is the exact cause of all the problems Sikhs are facing today . However it is my belief that if SIS-GANJ the monthly magazine of DSGMC ( lifetime cost Rs.500 ) is distributed to approximated 4 lac ( 400,000 ) Sikh households in Delhi & NCR then each & every problem will vanish instead Sikhi will start growing like a PLAGUE , CANCER ( forgive my choice of words ) . The cost will come to about 20 crores ( 4 Million USD ) which can to spread to five years ie 4 crores annually ( 800,000 USD) . Try going personally to PS Sarna 's office in DSGMC headquarter in Gurudwara Rakabganj , I'm sure you'll be surprised at the ease which you can approach all of them . Take a letter outlining this as well all other suggestions you can think of , I'm sure something positive will surely come out of it .
 
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Kanwardeep Ji ,
This inter-religious marriages are happening due to lack of knowledge regarding Sikh principles , beliefs & Sikh Rehat Maryada amongst a large no of Sikhs in all over India not only Delhi . Even the elderly persons do not know anything about Sikhi . It is IMHO due lack of religious education in Sikh schools , lack of emphasis on Sikh education from parents to children especially post 1984 due to some mistaken beliefs that keeping them way from Sikhi's education will bring them closer to parents as well as to the mainstream Indian secular lifestyle . Actually the opposite is happening , the children in absence of religious education are very less spiritually inclined hence more into eating , drinking, making merry routine where they have no regards for parents . Girls are more prone to brainwash due to media effect which is clean shaven means glamorous & more satisfying sexually . Even when things do not work out they are at a loss to know what is the right way . Where did they go wrong . Parents are virtually begging to children for attention for the fear of social stigma .
In 2007 when Dera Sacha Sauda crisis hit Punjab , I wrote to SGPC & visited Makkar personally in his home ( he is our neighbour ) wherein I suggested them that GURMAT PRAKASH the monthly magazine of SGPC be posted free for whole life ( lifetime cost Rs.200) to all of 3.6 million ( 36 lac ) Sikh families of Punjab . The total cost will come to about 72 crore rupees ( 15 Million US dollars ) which can be furthur divided into five years ie 14.5 crores ( 3 Million USD) . this way each & every Sikh household will be free of all maladies like Dera Waad , Babawaad / Santwaad , Alcohal , Drugs , Apostateness for ever & Sikhi will start growing by leaps & bounds . It is my belief that whole of the Indian Dalits as well as lower middle classes can be brought to Sikhi fold in a matter of few decades , Sikh population will swell by over 250 million from 25 million presently if we utilize the available resources with us . But sadly nothing came out of that . It was much late that I realised that Badal is the exact cause of all the problems Sikhs are facing today . However it is my belief that if SIS-GANJ the monthly magazine of DSGMC ( lifetime cost Rs.500 ) is distributed to approximated 4 lac ( 400,000 ) Sikh households in Delhi & NCR then each & every problem will vanish instead Sikhi will start growing like a PLAGUE , CANCER ( forgive my choice of words ) . The cost will come to about 20 crores ( 4 Million USD ) which can to spread to five years ie 4 crores annually ( 800,000 USD) . Try going personally to PS Sarna 's office in DSGMC headquarter in Gurudwara Rakabganj , I'm sure you'll be surprised at the ease which you can approach all of them . Take a letter outlining this as well all other suggestions you can think of , I'm sure something positive will surely come out of it .

Who is responsible for SGPC not promoting Sikhi ?

RSS as SGPC is under Badal who is under RSS/BJP.RSS/BJP would never like true Sikhi to be taught or promoted.They would like their own version of "Hinduised Sikhi" to be promoted.That is why this sort of Sikhi which besides making Sikhs as Hindus also promotes anti Muslim and anti Christianity thought via their own RSS sansthaans particularly "Vidya Bharti" etc which is now opening branches in Punjab villages.
Successive Punjab govts have been giving aid and fund to these organisations in the name of fake hindu Sikh unity and fake national integration(which infact means integration into the hindutva mainstram)

Sikhs are "neither Hindu nor Muslim" but RSS wants Sikhs to call themselves Hindu and become anti Muslims and help them in their dirty work of suppressing and killing minorities Muslims,Christians and even true Sikhs(whom they have named Khalistanis/Pakistani agents).

Without Sovereignity(which is a must to preserve our unique Sikh identity) the remaining Sikhs will also go the Hindu way either through coercion,persuasion,legislation made in favour of hindutva forces,making Sikh children hate Sikhi by misusing the media etc.

After Sikh Raaj a full stop will be placed on such activities and other low caste hindus,dalits etc will "voluntarily" adopt Sikhism which is "IMPOSSIBLE" under the present system no matter how much good you keep thinking about this.
 
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koi kisi ko raaj naa deh hai
jo leh hai nijj bal say leh hai

Gurfateh,

First you are being racist with the sikhs of Hazur Sahib and now you are writing incorrect scripts from Dasham Granth Sahib...you should atleast realize reciting incorrect words from gurubani is like hurting the Guru itself...

The correct script is as follows:

Shastran Ke Adheen Hai Raaj,
Raaj Bina Nahi Dharam Chale Hai |
Dharam Bina Sabh Dale Male Hai ,
Jo Lavey Nij Bal Se Lavey||

It means:
Rule (Raaj) is always dependent on arms (Shastar),
And Without Rule (Raaj) No Dharam (Religion) Can Prevail|
Without Dharam (Religion) Everyone Becomes Dale Male (Filthy),
So Whatever One Wishes To Achieve,Can Achieve Only On The Basis Of His/Her Bal (Power)


It is also for people who are against Guru Gobindsingh's Own Baanii.e. Dasham Granth Sahib.
 

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jagmeet ji

Please explain, for me and the others who might not grasp you meaning, how the verse you quoted from Dasam Granth is connected to the thread topic.

Nowhere in this thread did he say, koi kisi ko raaj naa deh hai
jo leh hai nijj bal say leh hai
. Nowhere in this thread did he indict Hazoor Sahib

This is a synopsis of his remarks prior to yours - in a nutshell.



  • RSS as SGPC is under Badal
  • They would like their own version of "Hinduised Sikhi" to be promoted.
  • Successive Punjab govts have been giving aid and fund to these organisations in the name of fake hindu Sikh unity and fake national integration(which infact means integration into the hindutva mainstram)
  • Sikhs are "neither Hindu nor Muslim" but RSS wants Sikhs to call themselves Hindu and become anti Muslims and help them in their dirty work of suppressing and killing minorities Muslims,Christians and even true Sikhs(whom they have named Khalistanis/Pakistani agents).
  • Without Sovereignity the remaining Sikhs will also go the Hindu way
  • After Sikh Raaj low caste hindus,dalits etc will "voluntarily" adopt Sikhism

I also am not sure -- maybe reading a few more times will help -- how Kee_mein_jaana_kaun ji is a racist "against Hazoor Sahib." Or how the verse is related to his comments. Would you be so kind as to elaborate?
 
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jagmeet ji

Please explain, for me and the others who might not grasp you meaning, how the verse you quoted from Dasam Granth is connected to the thread topic.

Nowhere in this thread did he say, koi kisi ko raaj naa deh hai
jo leh hai nijj bal say leh hai
. Nowhere in this thread did he indict Hazoor Sahib

This is a synopsis of his remarks prior to yours - in a nutshell.



  • RSS as SGPC is under Badal
  • They would like their own version of "Hinduised Sikhi" to be promoted.
  • Successive Punjab govts have been giving aid and fund to these organisations in the name of fake hindu Sikh unity and fake national integration(which infact means integration into the hindutva mainstram)
  • Sikhs are "neither Hindu nor Muslim" but RSS wants Sikhs to call themselves Hindu and become anti Muslims and help them in their dirty work of suppressing and killing minorities Muslims,Christians and even true Sikhs(whom they have named Khalistanis/Pakistani agents).
  • Without Sovereignity the remaining Sikhs will also go the Hindu way
  • After Sikh Raaj low caste hindus,dalits etc will "voluntarily" adopt Sikhism

I also am not sure -- maybe reading a few more times will help -- how Kee_mein_jaana_kaun ji is a racist "against Hazoor Sahib." Or how the verse is related to his comments. Would you be so kind as to elaborate?

Gurfateh,
i was browsing the pages when i found the verse and i thought of correct the script from gurubani.....i dont think i did any thing wrong by correcting the script..

and as far as the racism issue is concerned,you can browse this topics pages no.5,6 and 7 where ki_jaana_main_kaun calls me :
1. Mahakal da Granthi,
2.Accuses me of killing of bakras(Jhatkas) as if i m myself performing it.
3.Granthi from Hazur_Sahib as if the people of Hazur_sahib are a burden on Sikhism...
all above things makes me feel his comments as racist.....
i agree the reply was not related to the topic or his latest post but all i wanted to do is correct the verses from Dasham Granth because the verse he posted is from Dasham Granth but was incomplete and incorrect.....
i only replied a corrected the verse from gurubani.
 

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jagmeet ji

I have to say that after re-reading those pages, it looks as if kee-jaana-mein-kaun was for the most part taking my head off not yours, and at times he was also going after forum member harbhans ji. My memory of those conversations was that I, not you, was considered falling far short of the mark wheneverI asked him not to paint everyone with the same brush of stupidity, treachery and sympathy for RSS. It was a very belligerent discussion. I am still perplexed, but can see why you had the strong reaction that you did have. Not an easy conversation to read. Thanks for taking the time to respond in detail.
 

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Any statement in support of armed insurrection is contravened by the laws of most countries where SPN is accessible. In addition, our TOS contravene it. It is hardly different from supporting the idea of burning down places of worship if you don't agree with their religion. You don't have to actually do it to step over the line.

Don't try this again or play a day in court with me.
 
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