Pyara Veer Ambarsaria Ji
Friday nights for me is a "boys night out" - anything from an all night session at the snooker club to a night out in London with the good, great n the beautiful. It was whilst I was on the wheel in cruise control mode when, bosh !!! ambushed by this beautiful tune...."ambarsaria mund'ah kaachian kaalian na tord...." I thought of you ...pyar bhari sat sri akal to all...
I don't see any issues with us trying to learn more about creator, creation and our place in it.
...bang on sir ! Creator n Creation are not separate, they are the one and the same. Like the dance comes out of the dancer, creation comes out of the creator.
However our great teachers in SGGS warned us that it is futile if we set the objective in this pursuit to know all.
...any specific reference ?
To know all is beyond all,
..agree, but I'd go a step further, that is, to know all is inconceivable, but to become ALL isn't.....
<cut single tuk per TOS-Ishna> {ਪੰਨਾ 1142} meaning, sargun n nirgun when merged, one experience "oneness".
Sikh spirituality is as much trying to understand oneness of all as much to know that this oneness is un-defineable in terms of its complete dissection in parts.
...absolutely ! That is why Gur Ghar calls it "akhand", meaning not in parts [khand] but as whole.
So knowing all this as human beings, we need to come out of micro (say Quantum) to macro (say Newtonian) and beyond. How we do that with consonance, grace and recognition of all that is around us defines us as one who understands what guru ji taught us or a Sikh who is still learning.
...again, well said ! Gur Nanak hit home with the same when he said, '....wait, different tongues are preaching different versions of the same. The Hindus are denouncing life coz its all illusion, Moslems are preaching paradise can be had but only after death, Buddhist are calling everything is suffering and Jains...liberation through reincarnation ?' Phew ! that's a tall order, '..sorry people, but that can't be' Nanak concluded. However, thought Baba Ji [1412 SGGSJ], surely humankind conceives a character [Gurmukh] much more stable than their own [manmukh], and sees that there is no reason why they should not themselves acquire such a character, which will bring them to this pitch of perfection. This pitch of perfection is that humankind should arrive at the possession of the aforesaid character, which is, the
knowledge of the union existing between the creator n creation and "experiencing" that unison in this here life. In other words, macro n micro becoming "unified" field of existence, meaning pure consciousness [khalsa].
So this continuum is what combined miri and piri
Yes....to give us the
saint soldier genome. And, since the subject matter is "spirituality", one must understand what spirituality is. The human body is made up of matter, therfore, human beings have a
physical dimension. They also have a
mental,
emotional and
spiritual dimension. These four dimensions need to be fully developed in order to realise what they are and how best they can be experienced and utilised in fulfilling human potential. That is to say, like the four wheels of a car which are fit for the purpose to provide both an enjoyable ride and reach destination, so too are human dimensions to navigate the soul to its final destination - sachkhand. Just as a flat tyre will cause disruption so too will the lack of one dimension from functioning properly will cause grief and anxiety to human potentiality.
Overall in journey of life one who has realized is neither superior nor inferior in this respect
..but is liberated !
They simply are at a different juncture.
....shall we say, different stages of both intellectual and spiritual evolution ?
All these superfluous arguments about parroting
..are healthy. For if such understanding of parroting lay readily available and could be discovered by any tom, {censored} n mary without effort n sacrifice, how is it possible for it to be neglected by the ordinary and selected only by the extra-ordinary ? It is because all noble things such as "nam jap" are as difficult as they are rare and are bestowed by "waheguru's grace" and are not within human control.
....you'll add a feather to the commontator's cap for re-diversifying fundamental Sikh practices on to 21st Century Western socio-cultural institutional homogenisation.
I would discourage such hijacking.
...so would I, in an unbiased and liberal social networking where rights are not only protected and promoted but "respected". What Sikhi is founded upon and is ALL about !
If you parrot and it helps you along in your understanding, great; if you don't parrot it helps you along with your understanding, great. Not every student has a same way of learning from the teacher.
...you sure you aren't Nanak in disguise coz look what pauri 24 of japji sahib is saying
<cut single tuk-Ishna>, meaning, whosoever is at a level within oneself to understand "the god within" alone he/she can know the "god without" and when one is at that stage of oneness then the oneself goes into auto-mode repeating waheguru waheguru 24/7 subconsciously. So really, parroting isn't for everyone, but limited edition only. Ask Heer what it's like japping Ranjha Ranjha - only She can tell you.
Of the 25 million Sikh population many try few succeed and that too, by the grace of God.
Love you n leave you - take care !
PS - as intelligent creatures we should adopt a more loftier approach of IKONKAR- CENTRIC rather than an anthropocentric and learn to treat one another with equality, dignity and respect. There is so much at SPN to go around !
