""If a non-Sikh came to Guru Nanak Ji and wanted to become a Sikh, what would Guru Nanak Ji tell him to do FIRST? And WHY?
Would the answer be DIFFERENT if the same non-Sikh came to Guru Gobind Singh Ji?"""
Just my WORTHLESS points and views
Guru Angad Dev Ji was Bhai Lehna When he came before Guru Nanak
did he became Guru Angad Overnight? Did he became the Disciple ,student Of Guru Nanak Overnight
i think its no.There was lot toil ,sacrifices willingness to leave ego behind it.
if we look deep into various sakhis and try, to get the real meaning , we see Bhai Lehna doing all the work which he was told and loving Guru nanak Dev Mahraj unconditionally.
Love can be done only by removing ego and trusting the other person whatever he says.He served Guru Nanak Mahraj unconditionally that much which even his sons couldn't do.In return he got the jewels of life and was made the Guru by none other than Guru Nanak Dev Mahraj and Bhai Lehna Became Guru Angad.
yes there could have been times where Bhai lehna could have said this man(Guru Nanak Ji )whatever he says is not making sense but still he held on and unwillingly trusted him and see in return he got that much knowledge himself that he was the GURU 2.
The same love can be seen in the case of Guru Angad Dev And Guru Amardas ji
The same trend has been right till the last Guru.
When Guru Gobind Singh asked for 5 sikhs willing to sacrifice their heads for him ,he was actually looking for people who were willing to leave out their ego behind no matter what and trust the Guru to show the path.
Leaving of ego ,unconditional love and faith plays a big role.
There is a deep connection between guru and the disciple.
forgive me if i said something wrong just talked off from my wisdom.
Arshdeep ji,
Guru Fateh.
Just my WORTHLESS points and views
Before I start to express my thought, I would like to say that no views are worthless in Sikhi, hence we proudly call ourselves Sikhs. This is the only was we live and learn.
Very well explained and I want to thank you for that. Sikhi is an idea based not dogma based which makes the people who want to follow the path at ease and away from 'sins'- as in the dogmatic religions because it rejects all kinds of rituals to please god.
In fact Ik Ong Kaar does not need any pleasing nor praising but our love from the within for these awe and wow factors we are surrounded by are very well written in a musical forms in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru by our visionary Gurus in order to create the desire within to sing Ik Ong Kaar's praises.
The importance of music was very vital to our Gurus and can not be lost. Music is the universal connection among all peoples and one feels it within first and foremost irrespective of the language barriers. Music makes us dance from the within whose feelings are upon an individual and can not be put into words. It needs no scholarly education nor any other kind of education either. What we feel within with the music is our personal journey. In other words, Music that plays within us is Conducted by our own souls. Our Souls hold the baton as Conductors.
Our Gurus were very forward thinking. That is why they did not create any hierarchy-Mr. Go Betweens like The Pope/s, Mullahs, Priests, Rabbis etc etc.
The absence of any clergy hierarchy is of utmost value because it puts all of us on the same pedestal as of our Gurus.
This shows the direct contact between the follower and his/her Guru and all are equal irrespective of their gender, sexual orientations and or other differences they may have.
Lastly, Guru Gobind Singh put the icing on the cake in the same manner by commanding us that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is our only ultimate Guru/Teacher.
None of the Gurus pretended nor intended to be anything else but Sikhs in the real sense of the word and so are we.
I would like to point out one more unique thing in Sikhi way of life and I commend Guru Gobind Singh's vision in this which is so far beyond the times he was living in.
He did not force any one to become Khalsa by taking Khandei di Pahul. He asked for 5 people, the reason of which was unknown to them, among the thousands who were there on the day of Vaisakhi in 1699.
What an unforgettable day it may have been one wonders!
Guru Sahib did not ask all to take Khandei di Pahul on the day of Vaisakhi in 1699, nor did he make this the only condition for one to becoming a Sikh.
He understood that Sikhi is idea based not dogma based which means it is based on wills and willnots rather than do’s and don’ts nor on must and must nots.
Even people who did not keep hair were called Sehajdhari Sikhi. To put it in today’s terms, it means “take your sweet time”, create the thirst/hunger within first which will hopefully make you run towards becoming a Khalsa.
That is why Khandei di Pahul is a very unique thing in Sikhi. It is not a baptism as loosely translated by many. Baptism in Christianity, Mundan in Hinduism and Buddhism, Bar-mitzvah in Judaism and many other rituals performed in different religions are done at a very early age, some when the baby is only a few days old and others a bit older.
The uniqueness of Khandei di Pahul is that one can take it when one feels ready for it, even at the very late years of one’s life. Without this, one still remains a Sikh.
Why I said this decision was futuristic is for the following reasons.
Mr. Ripudaman Singh Malik of Vancouver was a hippie in the 70’s who was known for having the best bar in the town where all used to flock to hail cheers while emptying their booze glasses.
Then, one day he met Bhai Jeewan Singh and his whole life changed. He took khandei de pahul and with Bhai Sahib’s guidance he opened the first Khalsa School which is ranked 10th in BC. After sometime he opened Khalsa Credit Union, the first bank that would have Punjabi/English speaking employees.
Both these ventures were not for his personal gain as a businessman he is but to a nonprofit trust.
The bank grew amazingly fast and other banks followed the same by adding Punjabi speaking employees.
Here comes the hic-up. As the bank was expanding faster than other well-known banks, it was ripe for the takeover.
The unfortunate mistake the founders of the bank made was to have 100 only Amritdhari people to invest in the trust not thinking about the legality and it effects under the Canadian law. They are all devotional kind hence sans any ill will.
This was the loop hole a big bank found out to take over under the discrimination law which was never the intent when the bank was founded. It was just a bank to serve Canadian citizens. In fact many non-Sikh companies have their accounts there.
If they had had other people during the fast expansion from all walks of life including non Amritdhari Sikhs, then the bank would have no way of been taken over except if the Trust wanted to sell it because it made business sense.
Eventually it was forced to be taken over by a bigger Canadian bank because of this loop hole.
This was the original vision of our 10th Guru and I must state that this is my personal opinion based on my Sikh studies. Sikhi is all inclusive. If the founders had thought in this pragmatic manner as our Gurus had envisioned, then the things may have been different today.
Arshdeep ji, in closing I would say that what you said is exactly the relationship between a Sikh and the Guru, our Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji now, that was bestowed upon us by our visionary 10th Guru.
Thanks once again for explaining it in such a simple way.
Regards
Tejwant Singh
