="Harry Haller, post: 209122, member: 14641"]I understand where you are coming from, I would call it idealism, idealism does not work, realism works, how does the above help when you are confronted with hate? As you are being beaten about the head, the fact that hate is just truth does not really help. As you survey the blood coming out of your nose, it does not seem much of an illusion.
Hi, we all get served our karams no matter what. Its up to us how we react to them. Our Gurus taught us self defence. I wouldn't sit back while a guy tries to rape my sister, and as a female, I wouldnt sit back and let anyone rape me. I would fight back. But I would understand the negative wave which came to attack me in the first place as my karam. Just because a negative comes it doesnt mean we have to sit back and let it take over.
The Gurus who sat calmly on hotplates and tortured did so in Acceptance of Karam. They could have screamed and shouted in anger but they were known to have sat with peace in their hearts. This is what I mean, acceptance means being at peace with karam.
Ok, now we are getting somewhere, so to you, karam means carrying forward sins from one life to another, does it only work from one life to another, or can it work in a single life, ie if I do something to you today, the laws of karam will ensure something happens to me in this life, or the next life?
Yes you can get served karam straight away but its up to Him. When u start on the path of bhagti, you start getting your karams paid back quickly. Hence alot of bhagats have been known to have gone through some exceptionally hard times and pain.
Ok, so God intervenes in life, and also adopts forms?
He doesn't intervene in life, life runs in accordance to the law of karma- Hukam. Hukam is truth. He remains detached but as He is recognised Truth, He also serves karam.
How does this help you, can you share some stories about how this view changes your life? Do you follow this statement yourself? How would you view a man about to rape your sister? What would you do? thank you for answers, and please excuse my questions
A while ago i had the living shit beaten out of me. At the time i reacted in pain and then anger. I was in a situation where I had basically lost everything, family, job, home etc.
I realised eventually that it was God who beat me, he took me away from toxic and negative people and environment and gave me the opportunity to become independant. I realised that it was either sink or fly. I paid off my karams but also realised that it was actually for my own betterment, to make me stronger. I believe that He was trying to beat weakeness out of me. I got a Better paid job than I'd ever had and actually made it on my own from nothing.
So not only can you pay off karams, you can learn valuable life altering lessons from them.
