What Is Gurdwaaraa?

[simpy]

If mind will become bairaagi only then Darshan honge, Guru is everywhere, Guru 's Darshan De kaabal koi koi hunda hai, rare get to dedicate themselves completely to become worthy of it(Darshan). Guru is not gone anywhere. we rarely see Him due to our ego and other janjaal, He is always taking care of us, always.............

Waheguru Rakha

 

[simpy]

<> siqgur pRswid ]​

mY min qyrI tyk myry ipAwry mY min qyrI tyk ]​

Avr isAwxpw ibrQIAw ipAwry rwKn kau qum eyk ]1] rhwau ]​

siqguru pUrw jy imlY ipAwry so jnu hoq inhwlw ]​

gur kI syvw so kry ipAwry ijs no hoie dieAwlw ]​

sPl mUriq gurdyau suAwmI srb klw BrpUry ]​

nwnk guru pwrbRhmu prmysru sdw sdw hjUry ]1]​

suix suix jIvw soie iqnw kI ijn@ Apunw pRBu jwqw ]​

hir nwmu ArwDih nwmu vKwxih hir nwmy hI mnu rwqw ]​

syvku jn kI syvw mwgY pUrY krim kmwvw ]​

nwnk kI bynµqI suAwmI qyry jn dyKxu pwvw ]2]​

vfBwgI sy kwFIAih ipAwry sMqsMgiq ijnw vwso ]​

AMimRq nwmu ArwDIAY inrmlu mnY hovY prgwso ]​

jnm mrx duKu kwtIAY ipAwry cUkY jm kI kwxy ]​

iqnw prwpiq drsnu nwnk jo pRB Apxy Bwxy ]3]​

aUc Apwr byAMq suAwmI kauxu jwxY gux qyry ]​

gwvqy auDrih suxqy auDrih ibnsih pwp Gnyry ]​

psU pryq mugD kau qwry pwhn pwir auqwrY ]​

nwnk dws qyrI srxweI sdw sdw bilhwrY ]4]1]4]​

 

[Archived_Member_19]

Gurudwara is the start of the journey, with the Guru

 

[Sikh80]

Quite interesting.

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Quote "Who want to sacrifice their Guru, can they!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is it possible????????"
These are my words from the post #17 of this thread.
"God is present everywhere. He appears as the true Guru rarely. Ignorant feel they can print Him and distribute Him or build Him with bricks.
I have come across some who are holding fast anger, hate and ego claiming that their Guru is everywhere. They do not want to sacrifice Him by any chance."

I try to explain it again. Some people claim that they see their Guru everywhere and in everything. They are but filled with anger and hate. They seem sticking with those like they have found their Guru whom they do not want to sacrifice.

This is right that Gur of the true Guru destroys ego and He sings.
myry siqgurw hau quDu ivthu kurbwxu ]

I want to know what happens with those whose ego is brave but they are singing these borrowed word from the true Guru.

This is wonderful. Gurdev is singing.
hau kurbwxI qyirAw syvkw ijn@ hir nwmu ipAwrw ] SGGS 746-18
Ego is sacrificed of your servants whom Hari Naam dearly loved.

My curiosity is to know what happens with those who are in love with the income through a building called Gurdwaaraa.
One receives the true Gur (Sat Gur) through Gurdev not through a building.
Hari Naam is also found and realized within.

Thanks for the wonderful Vaak from Gurdev.
qUM jugu jugu eyko sdw sdw qUM eyko jI qUM inhclu krqw soeI ]

Gurdev is singing this Vaak in praise of the stable Attribute where nothing is moving. Gurdev is not praising here a building and its stability.

Quote "If mind will become bairaagi only then Darshan honge, Guru is everywhere, Guru 's Darshan De kaabal koi koi hunda hai, rare get to dedicate themselves completely to become worthy of it(Darshan). Guru is not gone anywhere. we rarely see Him due to our ego and other janjaal, He is always taking care of us, always............."
They recognize the mind of a preacher when it shows deficiencies in seekers and tries to convince them why they do not get Darshan.
A preacher's mind is but not capable to transfer anyone true wisdom of Naam.

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Thanks for the wonderful references from the true Gurus. An exchange of views may be possible when your understanding of those Vaaks is also expressed.
My understanding is not for those who are helping Baabaas writing new translations for their earnings.

Those who are running business in a building called Gurdwaaraa may have to live many cycles of Joonies to find the Door opened by the true Guroo within.


Balbir Singh

 

[Sikh80]

Very informative post ji

 

[Sikh80]

Rehat Maryada :Section Three​

Pl. refer [Chapter IV] Article V for the detailed description of the sangat and Gurudwara.

 

[Sikh80]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!



Those who are running business in a building called Gurdwaaraa may have to live many cycles of Joonies to find the Door opened by the true Guroo within.


Balbir Singh

I do not think that we have Private Gurudwaras owned by individuals or group of individuals. Atleast, in Idia this is not the case.

 

[Astroboy]

Page 875​

ਿਹੰਦੂ ਪੂਜੈ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ ਮਸੀਿਤ ॥​

hindoo poojai dayhuraa musalmaan maseet.​

The Hindu worships at the temple, the Muslim at the mosque.

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ਨਾਮੇ ਸੋਈ ਸੇਿਵਆ ਜਹ ਦੇਹੁਰਾ ਨ ਮਸੀਿਤ ॥੪॥੩॥੭॥​

naamay so-ee sayvi-aa jah dayhuraa na maseet. ||4||3||7||​

Naam Dayv serves that Lord, who is not limited to either the temple or the mosque.​

||4||3||7||

 

[Astroboy]

|| SIREE RAAG, THIRD MEHL:
The Lord of the Universe is the Treasure of Excellence;
His limits cannot be found.

He is not obtained by mouthing mere words,
but by rooting out ego from within.
Meeting the True Guru, one is permeated
forever with the Fear of God,
who Himself comes to dwell within the mind. || 1 ||
O Siblings of Destiny, one who becomes
Gurmukh and understands this is very rare.
To act without understanding is to lose the treasure of this human life. || 1 ||Pause ||
Those who have tasted it, enjoy its flavor;
without tasting it, they wander in doubt, lost and deceived.
The True Name is the Ambrosial Nectar; no one can describe it.
Drinking it in, one becomes honorable, absorbed in the Perfect Word of the Shabad. || 2 ||
He Himself gives, and then we receive.
Nothing else can be done. The Gift is in the Hands of the Great Giver.
At the Guru.s Door, in the Gurdwara, it is received.
Whatever He does, comes to pass. All act according to His Will. || 3||
The Naam, the Name of the Lord, is abstinence, truthfulness,
and self-restraint. Without the Name, no one becomes pure.
Through perfect good fortune, the Naam comes to abide within the mind.
Through the Shabad, we merge into Him.
O Nanak, one who lives in intuitive peace and poise,
imbued with the Lord.s Love, obtains the Glorious Praises of the Lord. || 4 || 17 ||​

SGGS Page :32

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Sikh80 Jee!

Referring the quote from Balbir Singh "Those who are running business in a building called Gurdwaaraa may have to live many cycles of Joonies to find the Door opened by the true Guroo within."
Sikh80 Jee wrote "I do not think that we have Private Gurudwaras owned by individuals or group of individuals. Atleast, in Idia this is not the case."
Do some believe that no transaction of money takes place in Gurdwaaraas? Are there two types of Gurdwaaraas, run by public and run by private persons?

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Namjap Jee, thanks for the wonderful Vaaks from Bhagat Naamdev Jee.

ihMdU AMn@w qurkU kwxw ]
"hindoo anHaa turkoo kaanaa."
Hindoo is blind. Turkoo is one eyed.

duhW qy igAwnI isAwxw ]
"duhaaN tay gi-aanee si-aanaa." SGGS Ang 875-2
From both of those Giaanee is wiser.

Strange, one receives the degree of Giaanee from the educational institutions.

ihMdU pUjY dyhurw muslmwxu msIiq ]
"hindoo poojai dayhuraa musalmaan maseet."
Hindoo worships a temple, A Muslim mosque.

nwmy soeI syivAw jh dyhurw n msIiq ]
"naamay so-ee sayvi-aa jah dayhuraa na maseet." SGGS Ang 875-3.
Naam serves there where neither temple nor mosque is.

It is interesting, observing lost preachers. They are saying that Naam serves in a building called Gurdwaaraa.

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Awpy dyie q pweIAY horu krxw ikCU n jwie ]
"aape dayi ta paaeeai horu karnaa kichhoo na jaai."

dyvx vwly kY hiQ dwiq hY gurU duAwrY pwie ]
"dayvan vaalay kai hath daat hai guroo du-aarai paa-ay." SGGS Ang 33-4.
The bounty is in the hands of the Giver. It is received at the Door of the Guroo.

Since then they are building houses calling Door of the Guroo (Gurdwaaraa). The number of the Doors is increasing, also the quantity of the Guroo. The business of the religion is flourishing.


Balbir Singh

 

[Astroboy]

You are the living temples of God in which the Light of God is effulgent to enable you to contact Him. This Light and Sound principle is reverberating in the temple of your body.

In the Shabad there is light giving rise to music:
Sit steadily in the cave of the mind and then shalt thou witness
the sounding fire within. (Asa Mehla 5)
GURU ARJAN DEV


The self-existing Music is eternal and continuous,
Be ye saturated in the ineffable sweetness of the Sound Current.
(Ramkali Mehla 1)
GURU NANAK DEV

 

[Sikh80]

To me it appears that balbir ji is an apostle of knowledge and humility. His knowledge has to be channelised to better use for the benefit Of sangat.
what do you think aad ji.

 

[Sherab]

ihMdU AMn@w qurkU kwxw ]
"hindoo anHaa turkoo kaanaa."
Hindoo is blind. Turkoo is one eyed.

duhW qy igAwnI isAwxw ]
"duhaaN tay gi-aanee si-aanaa." SGGS Ang 875-2
From both of those Giaanee is wiser.

Strange, one receives the degree of Giaanee from the educational institutions.

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Who says we only get those degrees in educational institutions? Surely any of God's knowers can have never gotten a formal education and still match the knowledge of a Giaanee.

 

[Astroboy]

Giani dhyani bahu updesee ih jag sagle dhandaa: The Gianis, meditators and the great preachers are engrossed in all these worldly affairs (sggs 338).

 

[spnadmin]

Sikh80 ji

I don't have an answer. Most respected Balbir ji may not want to be channelised. Balbir ji is a free spirit.

That seems to be your point, Balbir veer ji, in nearly all that you say. You are an independent thinker. You challenge established ideas. Sometimes it has a good effect; other times it causes an uproar. But we can handle that.

 

[Sikh80]

It is fairly unreasonable.