What Is Raaga Maala?
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Are we eager enough to fetch a glass of water to quench our thirst or we just stay where ever we are and expect the glass of water come to us. Practically, the result is obvious, we will be disappointed... dis-illusioned... it would make more sense to first read and understand the Shabad and then listen to it... it will surely make much more sense...
merely listening without understanding is kann rass..just entertainment...like sound of falling water...
Harryji,
the S.G.G.S is in verse to be sung. It's easier to remember that way. Do you ever wake up in the morning with a song in your head? You remember the word without even trying.This happens to me all the time.
I'll make this even harder on you than your family. Not only should you listen to Gurbani Kirtan you should sing it as well.( sorry I just could pass up the use of should).Guruji has too many references to song to list but these are a couple.
<TABLE cellSpacing=25 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD>Page 270, Line 19
ਆਪਿ ਗਾਵਾਏ ਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਉ ॥
आपि गावाए सु हरि गुन गाउ ॥
Āp gāvā▫ai so har gun gā▫o.
Those, whom He inspires to sing, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord.
Guru Arjan Dev - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</TD></TR><TR><TD>Page 305, Line 18
ਫਿਰਿ ਚੜੈ ਦਿਵਸੁ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਵੈ ਬਹਦਿਆ ਉਠਦਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥
फिरि चड़ै दिवसु गुरबाणी गावै बहदिआ उठदिआ हरि नामु धिआवै ॥
Fir cẖaṛai ḏivas gurbāṇī gāvai bahḏi▫ā uṯẖ▫ḏi▫ā har nām ḏẖi▫āvai.
Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name.
Guru Ram Das </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Here in central Mexico we don't have a lot of Raagis wandering around loose, so we sing our own kirtan. A good portion of the members of our Gurdwara sing . I'm learning tabla and Dilruba. My wife is learning harmonium and rebab and we both sing a little. Between us we have about a timble full of talent but the important thing is to try.
Before the phonograph was invented most people had to make there own music.
I think people have gotten lazy.
the S.G.G.S is in verse to be sung. It's easier to remember that way. Do you ever wake up in the morning with a song in your head? You remember the word without even trying.This happens to me all the time.
I'll make this even harder on you than your family. Not only should you listen to Gurbani Kirtan you should sing it as well.( sorry I just could pass up the use of should).Guruji has too many references to song to list but these are a couple.
<TABLE cellSpacing=25 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD>Page 270, Line 19
ਆਪਿ ਗਾਵਾਏ ਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਉ ॥
आपि गावाए सु हरि गुन गाउ ॥
Āp gāvā▫ai so har gun gā▫o.
Those, whom He inspires to sing, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord.
Guru Arjan Dev - [SIZE=-1]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/SIZE]</TD></TR><TR><TD>Page 305, Line 18
ਫਿਰਿ ਚੜੈ ਦਿਵਸੁ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਵੈ ਬਹਦਿਆ ਉਠਦਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥
फिरि चड़ै दिवसु गुरबाणी गावै बहदिआ उठदिआ हरि नामु धिआवै ॥
Fir cẖaṛai ḏivas gurbāṇī gāvai bahḏi▫ā uṯẖ▫ḏi▫ā har nām ḏẖi▫āvai.
Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name.
Guru Ram Das </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Here in central Mexico we don't have a lot of Raagis wandering around loose, so we sing our own kirtan. A good portion of the members of our Gurdwara sing . I'm learning tabla and Dilruba. My wife is learning harmonium and rebab and we both sing a little. Between us we have about a timble full of talent but the important thing is to try.
Before the phonograph was invented most people had to make there own music.
I think people have gotten lazy.
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Very little truth is known abt Rag mala!Guru Nanak's Mission is based upon logical search of the TRUTH.There is no place for rituals and farcial beliefs in Sikhism.
Guru Ji, logically challenged the age old beliefs of the hindus such as casteism, yag, bathing in rivers etc.THose who came to the sanctuary of the Guru became his followers, to search the TRUTH logically.They were called disciples-Sikhs.However, there were some who liked the Gurus' teachings but were unable to distinguish them from the prevalent religion of the masses.Some hindus also felt the new religion to be a challenge to their age old practice.Persons of these two categories either out of ignorance or intentionally distorted historical facts and even tempered with Gurus writings.
It is common sight to see couplets such as 'Nanak Nivan Jo challe, laage Na tati vao' on the backs of the lorries in India.This is the testimoney of the Kachi bai, wwhich still prevails despite warnings of Guru Amar Das ji during his life time.
An uninitiated Sikh gets confused whether such couplets are GURBANI.Many ignorant Sikhs have been heard to ask the reference of this couplet from Sri Guru Granth sahib.
So much so SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB was tempered with either by an unidentified ignorant Sikh or an jealous hindu who appended RAAG MALA without care to how much damage it will cause to the Sikh masses in general in time to come.
This appendix has created a long term controversy that still remains unresolved, despite it being reasoned out that RAAGMALA is NOT GURBANI.RAAG MALA IS NOT GURBANI.
A majority of the Sikh scholars opine that Ragmala has no themetic coherance with Gurbani BUT sadly...those with illogical blind faith consider it to be integral to Sri Guru Granth sahib merely because it is printed at the end of it!
However, the Panth at large, has decided that RAAGMALA is ...NOT... the word of the GURUS!It is NOT the word of the Gurus.It has been instructed that a bhog be performed after Mundhavni Mehla 5 and Shalok 5.
Sikhism is under constant threat of immersion into the Hindu faith by hindu fanatics as they do not seem able to tolerate a separate entity of the Sikhs.Many , many historians have already warned the Sikhs about this hostility and underlying hindunization attempts towards Sikhism.For instance as far back as 1899, even a non Sikh writer Max Arthur MacCaulfe declared in the preface of His book-The History of the Sikhs that "a movement to declare the Sikhs as Hinuds in direct opposition to the teachings of the Gurus is widespread for a long duration, even among the ignorant self declared Sikhs with no knowledge and those fools who believe that Sikhs are off shoots of Hinduism".
Sikhs must counter this anti Sikh propoganda with clear understanding , a proper understanding of the historical perspectives in Sikhism.We NEED to study VAST literature to come to appropriate conclusions and liberate ourselves from those who are misrepresenting Sikhism, and out to malign Sikhs, and confuse the Sikhs and Guru writings and teachings!
Guru Ji, logically challenged the age old beliefs of the hindus such as casteism, yag, bathing in rivers etc.THose who came to the sanctuary of the Guru became his followers, to search the TRUTH logically.They were called disciples-Sikhs.However, there were some who liked the Gurus' teachings but were unable to distinguish them from the prevalent religion of the masses.Some hindus also felt the new religion to be a challenge to their age old practice.Persons of these two categories either out of ignorance or intentionally distorted historical facts and even tempered with Gurus writings.
It is common sight to see couplets such as 'Nanak Nivan Jo challe, laage Na tati vao' on the backs of the lorries in India.This is the testimoney of the Kachi bai, wwhich still prevails despite warnings of Guru Amar Das ji during his life time.
An uninitiated Sikh gets confused whether such couplets are GURBANI.Many ignorant Sikhs have been heard to ask the reference of this couplet from Sri Guru Granth sahib.
So much so SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB was tempered with either by an unidentified ignorant Sikh or an jealous hindu who appended RAAG MALA without care to how much damage it will cause to the Sikh masses in general in time to come.
This appendix has created a long term controversy that still remains unresolved, despite it being reasoned out that RAAGMALA is NOT GURBANI.RAAG MALA IS NOT GURBANI.
A majority of the Sikh scholars opine that Ragmala has no themetic coherance with Gurbani BUT sadly...those with illogical blind faith consider it to be integral to Sri Guru Granth sahib merely because it is printed at the end of it!
However, the Panth at large, has decided that RAAGMALA is ...NOT... the word of the GURUS!It is NOT the word of the Gurus.It has been instructed that a bhog be performed after Mundhavni Mehla 5 and Shalok 5.
Sikhism is under constant threat of immersion into the Hindu faith by hindu fanatics as they do not seem able to tolerate a separate entity of the Sikhs.Many , many historians have already warned the Sikhs about this hostility and underlying hindunization attempts towards Sikhism.For instance as far back as 1899, even a non Sikh writer Max Arthur MacCaulfe declared in the preface of His book-The History of the Sikhs that "a movement to declare the Sikhs as Hinuds in direct opposition to the teachings of the Gurus is widespread for a long duration, even among the ignorant self declared Sikhs with no knowledge and those fools who believe that Sikhs are off shoots of Hinduism".
Sikhs must counter this anti Sikh propoganda with clear understanding , a proper understanding of the historical perspectives in Sikhism.We NEED to study VAST literature to come to appropriate conclusions and liberate ourselves from those who are misrepresenting Sikhism, and out to malign Sikhs, and confuse the Sikhs and Guru writings and teachings!
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THAT Happens when HUMANS try to "accommodate/fit" the CREATOR into the tiny boxes we think are HUGE !!
SING....a human believes only a HUMAN :MOUTH" can SING...Birds sing, dogs sing, crows song, donkeys sing..elephants sing, wasps sing..bees sing..dolphins sing...
When Manmohan "SINGS" sonias TUNE..or "Dances" to Sonias TUNE..there is actually no singing/dancing involved...Manmohan ji is doing somewhat what the SUN does to the Creators TUNE...go round and round and round...or what the earth does..go round and round and corcle the Sun in 365.25 days..he he..thats also SINGING and DANCING as PER GURBANI...lots of such going on...
When the Solar system STOPS Singing..our songs also STOP. he he..we just need to have the GRAVITY stop SINGING..and we all disintegrate immediately...
While I agree that the point of Gurbani is to understand and apply it's meaning to your life. I have to say that if people listened to gurbani kirtan as entertainment they'd be much better of than things like this.
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