your very typical response Tejwant Ji....i wouldn't expect anything more or anything less from you
God Bless...
Yoga V/s Simran V/s Meditation?
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your very typical response Tejwant Ji....i wouldn't expect anything more or anything less from you
God Bless...
"harry haller==agreed, sorry can you clarify what the end goal is again?
if you don't know the goal of what gurbani teaches then start from the beginning.
Harry=Ah but you see we are Sikhs, we were born merged, just unconnected.
Who told you that or is that just your own illusion ?
Where in gurbani does it show that you don't need to merge ?>cuz you already the complete truth. ?
Harry= also equally as sad that so many Sikhs chase after spiritual escapism when we are supposed to be householders. Could I just ask what your qualifications are in order that you can ascertain who has the right tio claim themselves as Sikh or not?
Never read in gurbani telling me to be householder INSTEAD of spiritual.
I have no qualification>>education>>>except all boys school>>learnt to defend and look after myself>>You wanna know I'm Sikh or not??>>you casting doubt on amirt sanchar or the panj piaery that were pure guru saroop that day ???
Harry=May I counter with 'there can be No enlightenment whilst chasing kundalinis' btw I am quite impressed with some of the kundalini massage parlours on the internet, although the women on the website do not look particularly spiritual to me, how one looks spiritual in a leather catsuit and boots is probably quite hard though.
Kundalini and massage mix may exist in your ilussonary world..>>>What do you really know about kundalini and enlightenment??>>>not a lot I gther>>so why not listen, read and learn first from the ones that do claim to know something??
Bringing in porn and tantra to dodge the real issue and question of op I'm answering to is a sign of your own insecurity>>>
Harry=thats a good start for debate, call anyone who disagrees with you a fool! can we please address the issue as passionately as you wish, there is no need to insult people, try sarcasm, it works for me
Have a look and search <<fool> quotes in gurbani. A fool is a fool as per gurbani tuks.
Harry=you do not write in a particular enlightened fashion, if you have had full experience, why would you wish to call those that reject it fools? what has this experience done for you? has it made you a better person?
I'm not educated to write in fashion<<<that has nothing to do with sikhi faith.>>>and no, how can someone dedicated to abiaas> judge themselves to see see if they are better person??
Only fools judge themselves>> I believe and walk towards the truth>>when I get there in full completeness>> I don't need to tell anyone>>cuz there will be no <I>......."I" is ego. Gurbani tells me loud and clear that to merge into Truth of Waheguroo>> the Ego has to be shed>>it is ALl to be tuhin tuhin tuhin
if you don't know the goal of what gurbani teaches then start from the beginning.
Harry=Ah but you see we are Sikhs, we were born merged, just unconnected.
Who told you that or is that just your own illusion ?
Where in gurbani does it show that you don't need to merge ?>cuz you already the complete truth. ?
Harry= also equally as sad that so many Sikhs chase after spiritual escapism when we are supposed to be householders. Could I just ask what your qualifications are in order that you can ascertain who has the right tio claim themselves as Sikh or not?
Never read in gurbani telling me to be householder INSTEAD of spiritual.
I have no qualification>>education>>>except all boys school>>learnt to defend and look after myself>>You wanna know I'm Sikh or not??>>you casting doubt on amirt sanchar or the panj piaery that were pure guru saroop that day ???
Harry=May I counter with 'there can be No enlightenment whilst chasing kundalinis' btw I am quite impressed with some of the kundalini massage parlours on the internet, although the women on the website do not look particularly spiritual to me, how one looks spiritual in a leather catsuit and boots is probably quite hard though.
Kundalini and massage mix may exist in your ilussonary world..>>>What do you really know about kundalini and enlightenment??>>>not a lot I gther>>so why not listen, read and learn first from the ones that do claim to know something??
Bringing in porn and tantra to dodge the real issue and question of op I'm answering to is a sign of your own insecurity>>>
Harry=thats a good start for debate, call anyone who disagrees with you a fool! can we please address the issue as passionately as you wish, there is no need to insult people, try sarcasm, it works for me
Have a look and search <<fool> quotes in gurbani. A fool is a fool as per gurbani tuks.
Harry=you do not write in a particular enlightened fashion, if you have had full experience, why would you wish to call those that reject it fools? what has this experience done for you? has it made you a better person?
I'm not educated to write in fashion<<<that has nothing to do with sikhi faith.>>>and no, how can someone dedicated to abiaas> judge themselves to see see if they are better person??
Only fools judge themselves>> I believe and walk towards the truth>>when I get there in full completeness>> I don't need to tell anyone>>cuz there will be no <I>......."I" is ego. Gurbani tells me loud and clear that to merge into Truth of Waheguroo>> the Ego has to be shed>>it is ALl to be tuhin tuhin tuhin
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excellent post ji...enjoyed reading it.
every culture has had some success raising their kundalini...and other spiritual practices...the one difference in Gurbani is surrendering to the power of the Shabad that resonated within us...the final destination cannot be reached without the shabad pulling us up like an express elevator..no effort or practice or method can make this happen...just pure surrendering of Ego
this is what i believe anyway from my own experiences...
God Bless on your journey...your doing great by the sounds of it
standard reply used also by most drug users
What do you realy know about drugs?? and have you ever been seriously hooked on anything where you must dose up in morning and every few hours ??
>>>well mr Harry>> I've been there for many years on pharma grade stuff 20 times worse than street heroin>
you have no idea what you are saying >>cuz I can tell you way much more about drugs>>and meditation >>this is not from education> but my very long experiences>>
meditation is no escapism like drugs >>>go tell that to the thousands of suffering junkies>addicts in all major cities>>>your statement is insensitive and predjudice to people that are stuck in their own internal drug war>> shame on you again
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you said yoga and simran have the SAME end goal.I want to know what goal.
no one told me that, I would have thought it quite obvious, creator is in everything, everywhere, it must also be in us,
we are supposed to be householders as well as spiritual, I do not recall using the word instead
I guess when you say 'the ones that claim to know something' you mean yourself?
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There is a huge difference between recreational use>getting addicted to the thrill>>to>> being fully dependent and having no other means to get by.
You dont seem a deep enough thinker to have gone down to depths of hell of addiction>>OD'd>>get a clot>>hemorrhage>>be on life support machine.>>>>the few I know that do manage to come back from there>>evaluate all life carefully>>>start thinking deeper>>or simply return back and end up dead.
You dont seem a deep enough thinker to have gone down to depths of hell of addiction>>OD'd>>get a clot>>hemorrhage>>be on life support machine.>>>>the few I know that do manage to come back from there>>evaluate all life carefully>>>start thinking deeper>>or simply return back and end up dead.
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LSDji
first many thanks for keeping to black, its just makes admin life a bit easier, people tend to associate red or red colours with moderating.
For your information I have nearly died 18 times, but I cannot see any point in turning this into a competition to see who was the biggest druggie
now, if we could please keep personalities out of this, this is not about you or me, if you have something to say, to debate, if you have something to bring to the table, please share it and we can discuss, that is how we learn.
However many times we have each nearly died, what drugs we took, how many women we slept with is merely lip service to our ego.
any further deviation from topic will be deleted, thank you
first many thanks for keeping to black, its just makes admin life a bit easier, people tend to associate red or red colours with moderating.
For your information I have nearly died 18 times, but I cannot see any point in turning this into a competition to see who was the biggest druggie
now, if we could please keep personalities out of this, this is not about you or me, if you have something to say, to debate, if you have something to bring to the table, please share it and we can discuss, that is how we learn.
However many times we have each nearly died, what drugs we took, how many women we slept with is merely lip service to our ego.
any further deviation from topic will be deleted, thank you
Dear LSD
Very well put, but perhaps not all said; beautifully drafted!
Knowledge is to know that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is to know not to cut it with fruit salad. Your writing reflects your knowledge, wisdom will come with age. That is not to say, you're not wise, but rather, to nudge you to refrain from overtone exposure in a family-knit environment [SPN] - mark of a tolerant Sikh.
I cannot add anything to what you've said because the "body" of your argument is in line with traditional Sikh thought. If anything, caution must be had because some of the participators have their own view and verdict. They mustn't be discouraged but encouraged to challenge, to reflect, to question Nanak's Sikhi so that, their personal inclinations can be openly discussed and debated in light of SGGSJ. Sikhs don't believe in indoctrinating or convincing people of their way of life - they are but living examples where behaviours and civil conduct reflect their true identity. They become objects of admiration and respect as a result [I'm being an idealist].
Sikh by definition is he/she who accepts all of humanity as one. Whether that'd be, European, Japanese, African , Brahman or Abrahamic . Different sects or interpretations cannot move the true Sikh for the connection is with the "word" and the word is "Waheguru [for a Sikh]. Piece meal inclusion and exclusion of Sikh tenets by aspiring souls must also be welcomed because all are seekers of the one truth - "satnam", and have a right to a personal relationship with Waheguru Ji.
Spiritual Sikhism befalls the few. It's not everyone's cup of tea, situations and circumstances drives one to spiritual heights. And, it's not a moot question where adversarial procedure lays the law for determination, but is in fact, one of "evolved" disposition. Moreover, spirituality is indeed difficult, since it is seldom practiced, for if spirituality lay ready to hand and could be discovered without great labour, how is it possible that it should be neglected almost by everybody ? LSD, consider yourself blessed, definitely a reward for good deeds. It is through people like you, do Nanak and authors of SGGSJ get to speak the language of "love"- spiritual wisdom.
Moving on to the real deal, yoga v simran - beautiful subject, feel like doing a volume. For now I'll skim through.
In essence, both yoga and simran are the one and the same - stairway to Godhead. Literal interpretation of yoga is union with God. Yoga is for the outer-body, Simran [remembrance of God] is for the inner stillness of the mind - aim of both is to connect with the universe, creative energy, Waheguru, etc. One must discipline the outer body to accommodate the inner journey without any disturbances, that is, bodily itches, aches, pains, etc. Only when the mind is still the penny drops. The body becomes non-existent [try it, if in doubt], consciousness expands and reality of the beyond is experienced. God is not after all an unrealisable object living behind the clouds, but our very dearest and nearest possession in whom we live, move and have our being. He who realises this truth becomes one with truth [merges with satnam]. Authors of SGGSJ speaks beautiful of it. [EDIT] These experiences are not confined to space, time, nor any particulars, but can arrest the aspirant unannounced via gurmantra chant. More commonly referred to as "state of grace".
Nanak and the Yogis
Sidh Gosht, a dialogue in which the yogis ask some basic questions of Gur Nanak re his spiritual philosophy. It went something like this -
Yogi - how the sea of life is to be crossed O'Nanak ?
Nanak - live like the lotus flower or the duck. Both are residents of water yet they remain high n dry. Similarly, you O' sadhus detach from this here physical and attach with the spiritual.
The Yogi moves on to give his own views on yoga and how societal life is corruptive for the mind; towns and highways should be shun and retreat to forests and jungles is the real deal for union with the Lord. Nanak replies, there is nothing wrong with the hustle bustle of city life provided one exercise bit of caution and reflection on the holy name. What is required is not physical distance from the allurements of urbanisation, but freedom from temptations of the mind. Guru Nanak goes on to explain how meditation on nam simran is the wearing of earrings, seeing God in all things is putting on shaded garments. What can make human free is the Lord, for He is the Truth as is His name [satnam].
Nanak advances his point subtly and effortlessly. When the word has been realised "within", says Nanak, it is as, if pervading the entire universe, just like the air in our atmosphere. The God realised soul transcends the world of multiplicity and duality into that of unity. The One, the exalted soul perceives, is without form, shape and colour - Satnam.
Opinion
Page 1429 of SGGSJ speaks of, thal vich tin vastu pai'O, sat, santokh and "vichar"
Thal in this instance is the heart - emphasis on vichar [construe it to mean deep thought] is directed towards the seeking soul. In other words chew on the "philosophy" of Nanak to make in-roads to connect with. Central to all of Nanak's Sikhi is "love" - gloss it up how you like.
Goodnight and Godbless
PS I've been politely advised by a dear participator of my "old habits die hard" syndrome in addressing people and certain social groups inappropriately. For those of you who may have taken offence to me addressing you as "son", or "gora" in my communications, can assure you was a term of endearment. So use to saying "puttar". Please forgive me.
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If you'll forgive me for being a bit irreverent, I think we Sikhs could use a little lifting. One of the most crucial challenges in spiritual life is to break through the Maya of seeing our world in the mundane. If we only knew, I believe we are surrounded by so much wonder and a realm of pure sacredness, but to recognize the sacredness and matchless beauty of this Creation is a deliberate struggle; it's too easy to go through this life focused on the mundane, the material, the low.
When we go to Gurdwara, if you'll forgive me, I feel most of us are there still in the everyday mindset of mundane survival; few people exhibit the vibe of really tasting the Amrit and really dwelling in the conscious awareness of Har Har Har. This is not unique to Sikhs, as I said, for all people it is most difficult to extricate from Maya and make real contact with the transcendent Sacred; to be fully aware of Waheguru in ecstatic nearness.
We are quick to mock Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan, and to my mind it's true that maybe 80% of what he taught was mumbo-jumbo, but I believe he was onto something. As one who has had occasion to do Kundalini Yoga on and off for a few years I must say, there is something very legitimate behind it.
When simran is combined with deliberate and 'scientific' techniques of intense breathing, movement, energy-flowing, it can lead to genuine break-through Har-awareness. I've been in Kundalini Yoga sessions where in the course of doing intense yogic simran, I emerged feeling ecstatic, exalted, thankful and almost 'born-again'. This is not a feeling I sense in the average Gurdwara full of worshippers who, as I said, seem to be there more in a spirit of mundane duty than to truly immerse in the Amrit of Waheguru consciousness.
As I said, this is not an endorsement of 3HO or any other yoga school, but rather an appeal to be willing to consider that there may indeed be aspects of some yogic teachings that may help us break through the mental/spiritual captivity that this mundane consciousness is home to us.
If you'll forgive me for being a bit irreverent, I think we Sikhs could use a little lifting. One of the most crucial challenges in spiritual life is to break through the Maya of seeing our world in the mundane. If we only knew, I believe we are surrounded by so much wonder and a realm of pure sacredness, but to recognize the sacredness and matchless beauty of this Creation is a deliberate struggle; it's too easy to go through this life focused on the mundane, the material, the low.
When we go to Gurdwara, if you'll forgive me, I feel most of us are there still in the everyday mindset of mundane survival; few people exhibit the vibe of really tasting the Amrit and really dwelling in the conscious awareness of Har Har Har. This is not unique to Sikhs, as I said, for all people it is most difficult to extricate from Maya and make real contact with the transcendent Sacred; to be fully aware of Waheguru in ecstatic nearness.
We are quick to mock Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan, and to my mind it's true that maybe 80% of what he taught was mumbo-jumbo, but I believe he was onto something. As one who has had occasion to do Kundalini Yoga on and off for a few years I must say, there is something very legitimate behind it.
When simran is combined with deliberate and 'scientific' techniques of intense breathing, movement, energy-flowing, it can lead to genuine break-through Har-awareness. I've been in Kundalini Yoga sessions where in the course of doing intense yogic simran, I emerged feeling ecstatic, exalted, thankful and almost 'born-again'. This is not a feeling I sense in the average Gurdwara full of worshippers who, as I said, seem to be there more in a spirit of mundane duty than to truly immerse in the Amrit of Waheguru consciousness.
As I said, this is not an endorsement of 3HO or any other yoga school, but rather an appeal to be willing to consider that there may indeed be aspects of some yogic teachings that may help us break through the mental/spiritual captivity that this mundane consciousness is home to us.
i agree wholeheartedly...
while i don;t do any type of yoga exercises...or made any effort to learn them... I can conclude that kundalini energy rising...is true....100%...it is something that will occur in all of us that so wishes to walk on this path to experiencing the truth...
in my humble opinion...all the yoga exercises, all the breathing techniques...or my very simple waheguru simram...help to achieve single mindedness...a focussed mind...and it is through this focused mind that things start to happen and the energy within starts to move freely and through all the channels of the body...
in my humble opinion it is this single pointed thought...single mindedness that is the step up the spiritual ladder so to speak...the mind needs to be able to look within without the bombardment of thoughts and enticement of creation
god bless
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Pose Exercises=Asan
Breathing Exercises=Pranayam
Yog=Simran. They are almost interchangeable.
Take out 20 minutes to read the earliest known text, 2000 year old manuscripts on the science of Yog, called 'Yog Sutra of Patanjali'.
You can read it here - http://www.ashtangayoga.info/source-texts/yoga-sutra-patanjali/
The translation isn't perfect as any text, regardless it's a good start for beginners.
अथ योगानुशासनम् ॥१॥
atha yoga-anuśāsanam ||1||
Yoga in the here and now: an introduction to the study and practice of yoga ||1||
योगश्चित्तवृत्तिनिरोधः ॥२॥
yogaś-citta-vṛtti-nirodhaḥ ||2||
When you are in a state of yoga, all misconceptions (vrittis) that can exist in the mutable aspect of human beings (chitta) disappear. ||2||
तदा द्रष्टुः स्वरूपेऽवस्थानम् ॥३॥
tadā draṣṭuḥ svarūpe-'vasthānam ||3||
For finding our true self (drashtu) entails insight into our own nature. ||3||
वृत्ति सारूप्यमितरत्र ॥४॥
vṛtti sārūpyam-itaratra ||4||
Lacking that, misconceptions (vritti) skew our perceptions. ||4||
वृत्तयः पञ्चतय्यः क्लिष्टाक्लिष्टाः ॥५॥
vṛttayaḥ pañcatayyaḥ kliṣṭākliṣṭāḥ ||5||
There are five types of misconceptions (vrittis), some of which are more agreeable than others: ||5||
प्रमाण विपर्यय विकल्प निद्रा स्मृतयः ॥६॥
pramāṇa viparyaya vikalpa nidrā smṛtayaḥ ||6||
insight, error, imaginings, deep sleep, and recollections.
Most of it is good. When you come to this line and word. Correct it in our own reading.
प्रमाण
pramāṇa
insight,
It's a certain type of insight.
Sanskrit प्रमाण here is is actually measurement (not just mathematical measurement but the more broad concept of measurement, you can say perception, a measurement-taking perception)
Related word - प्रमाणू is the smallest unit of measurement/perception, ie atom
Gurmukhi - ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ, ਪਰਮਾਣੋ
Five types of misconceptions are -
1. Measurement/perception
2. Errors (in measurement/perception)
3. Imagination/Mind-made forms
4. Sleep
5. Memory.
The purpose of yog=simran is to go beyond these misconceptions.
So read the yog sutra, shouldn't take very long and then tell me if there is any doubt left that yog=simran.
Breathing Exercises=Pranayam
Yog=Simran. They are almost interchangeable.
Take out 20 minutes to read the earliest known text, 2000 year old manuscripts on the science of Yog, called 'Yog Sutra of Patanjali'.
You can read it here - http://www.ashtangayoga.info/source-texts/yoga-sutra-patanjali/
The translation isn't perfect as any text, regardless it's a good start for beginners.
अथ योगानुशासनम् ॥१॥
atha yoga-anuśāsanam ||1||
Yoga in the here and now: an introduction to the study and practice of yoga ||1||
योगश्चित्तवृत्तिनिरोधः ॥२॥
yogaś-citta-vṛtti-nirodhaḥ ||2||
When you are in a state of yoga, all misconceptions (vrittis) that can exist in the mutable aspect of human beings (chitta) disappear. ||2||
तदा द्रष्टुः स्वरूपेऽवस्थानम् ॥३॥
tadā draṣṭuḥ svarūpe-'vasthānam ||3||
For finding our true self (drashtu) entails insight into our own nature. ||3||
वृत्ति सारूप्यमितरत्र ॥४॥
vṛtti sārūpyam-itaratra ||4||
Lacking that, misconceptions (vritti) skew our perceptions. ||4||
वृत्तयः पञ्चतय्यः क्लिष्टाक्लिष्टाः ॥५॥
vṛttayaḥ pañcatayyaḥ kliṣṭākliṣṭāḥ ||5||
There are five types of misconceptions (vrittis), some of which are more agreeable than others: ||5||
प्रमाण विपर्यय विकल्प निद्रा स्मृतयः ॥६॥
pramāṇa viparyaya vikalpa nidrā smṛtayaḥ ||6||
insight, error, imaginings, deep sleep, and recollections.
Most of it is good. When you come to this line and word. Correct it in our own reading.
प्रमाण
pramāṇa
insight,
It's a certain type of insight.
Sanskrit प्रमाण here is is actually measurement (not just mathematical measurement but the more broad concept of measurement, you can say perception, a measurement-taking perception)
Related word - प्रमाणू is the smallest unit of measurement/perception, ie atom
Gurmukhi - ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣ, ਪਰਮਾਣੋ
Five types of misconceptions are -
1. Measurement/perception
2. Errors (in measurement/perception)
3. Imagination/Mind-made forms
4. Sleep
5. Memory.
The purpose of yog=simran is to go beyond these misconceptions.
So read the yog sutra, shouldn't take very long and then tell me if there is any doubt left that yog=simran.
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Chaz Jee
Permit me to write that Yoga is good to maintain the body but it does not remove the pollution of mind which is the core issue. Gurbani very strongly says, 'ਸਭ ਕਿਛੁ ਜੀਵਤ ਕੋ ਬਿਵਹਾਰ ॥ ਮਾਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਭਾਈ ਸੁਤ ਬੰਧਪ ਅਰੁ ਫੁਨਿ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਕੀ ਨਾਰਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ every smooth functioning of our body is linked with laws of nature depending upon our godly conduct and subsequent reaction, a complete depature from the earlier notion of maintaining bliss or stablizing or purifying the mind through ritual or body building.SGGS. 536.11. As after finishing the body building course, 'ਜਬ ਕਛੁ ਪਾਵੈ ਤਬ ਗਰਬੁ ਕਰਤੁ ਹੈ ॥ ਮਾਇਆ ਗਈ ਤਬ ਰੋਵਨੁ ਲਗਤੁ ਹੈ ॥੧॥ SGGS 487.6, thus manh remains polluted and manh maila sabh kitch maila. Pollution of mind only goes by, ' ਸਤ ਸੰਤੋਖ ਕਾ ਧਰਹੁ ਧਿਆਨ ॥ ਕਥਨੀ ਕਥੀਐ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨ ॥੧੫॥ by following and living with the truth and contentment. Thus yoga and simran are not a mean to stablize the mind.
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well Bhagatsinghji, I read yours, now you read mine, and then tell me if there is any doubt that it isn't
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/threads/simran-and-sikhi-karminder-singh-dhillon.41762/
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You didn't have to read my link but thanks for reading and thanks for sharing.
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can we have subtitles for the meditation lobby? Just so that we can get a better of idea of what they are actually saying beyond what meditation makes them say at the time?
God bless! and thanks for sharing too!
God bless! and thanks for sharing too!
Bhagat Singh Ji - Good morning [06:40 UK]
Following your text above, Yoga [union with God] and Simran [remembrance of God], both in themselves are ends to fruitful means.
Gur Ghar makes use of the word "yogi" [173 SGGSJ] in places to reflect the oneness of the practitioner and the object of practice. The objective of the practice is to connect. That is to say, the dance [verb] and the dancer [noun] are the one and the same, hence, yogi.
Literal interpretation of Simran is to remember, to practice as nam simran [remembering God], various techniques are observable, notably, the contemplative. Mind you, few hurdles before you become contemplative ?Contemplation in its narrow construction is, realm of consciousness, which is not like perception or thought - the operative word in context of Sikh thought is "sehaj", goInge beyond sunn and becoming vibrant, "living" [consciousness surviving death] the God like you, the God you.
Science speaks favourably of "meditation", that is, meditation increases our ability to tap into hidden recesses of our brain, which otherwise are out of reach for the conscious awareness. The brain registers subliminal messages, but is often unable to recall them to the conscious part. One might conclude, that to which the brain pays more attention to [single point mindedness, say, simran] is accessable and consequently surfaces in our awareness as opposed to that which is not at focus of the brain. Meditation may best be seen as a process which expands conscious experience.
An experiment was carried out on meditating monks and the findings were truly remarkable. It was found after an EEG test that the four primary brain waves were almost completely synchronised, which otherwise in the ordinary joe bloggs appear out of synch, but in the case of these monks they aligned almost perfectly. What does that mean ? It meant that these monks were found to be living in a state of constant bliss, of happiness, of empathy for the world around them. They lived in the moment -
Hope I've been able to corroborate your findings.
Enjoy the day !
Good for nothing. Did any monk did any creative job? Any invention or is free from vikars? Instead working so hard on meditating, I buy a bottle of whisky and can live in constant bliss. Why don't we understand, ' ਨਾਨਕ ਭਗਤਾ ਸਦਾ ਵਿਗਾਸੁ ॥ ਸੁਣਿਐ ਦੂਖ ਪਾਪ ਕਾ ਨਾਸੁ ॥੯॥ in a state of oneness demons thought dare not come near and guru sahib invented this revelation in a state of oneness
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Yoga, meditation, fasting, chanting, rhythmic dancing, etc. They are worth nothing if you can't/don't/won't remember Naam at every moment of the day (and night if you're lucky). Carrying that constant awareness around with you at all times is essential, recognising the oneness of everything with every interaction you have with other people, and in everything you do. In my understanding, this is the 'simran' mentioned in Gurbani.
In this way, if yoga, meditation, fasting, chanting or rhythmic dancing etc. foster that constant Simran, then more power to you. If they become the end, rather than the means, it might be time to reassess.
In this way, if yoga, meditation, fasting, chanting or rhythmic dancing etc. foster that constant Simran, then more power to you. If they become the end, rather than the means, it might be time to reassess.
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