You started posting on sikh awareness and you asked me the same question.You read my reply there . Wetre you not satisfied with that.WHy you ran away from there.
where you attacked me personally and wrote that dasam Granth is anti gurmat. You also wrote that Pauri of ardas is anti gurmat. Why did you write this when you know that this scripture form part of and parcel of sikh ethos. I aske you reference but instaed got insults.
You also wrote i am peddling Dasam granth in the same thread. You also wrote that i am a Hindu promoting dasam granth. Do you expect me to keep quiet after listening to you r insults about a sikh scripture whose bani form part of nitnem.
I came to this site when dal singh told me that we should discuss Dasam granth there. I had reservation about your behaviour and i brought this to his attention. Now your aim seeem to be to spoil this thraed as you do not want to seem to engae in any discussion on Dasam granth issue.
Please read the thread below as a sample and note capital leters where you are asking to saty on one topic.
Inder ji, personal insults not a
Sikh make, and you have a habit of doing that which is sad. If you read my initial post in which I asked for a civilised discussion. That is what our Gurus did when they interacted with others. So let us try to emulate our Gurus in this respect otherwise, it cheapens us to stoop to that low level which is not the Sikhi way. I am sure you know about it. So when you disagree with me, which is ok, then please present your arguments based on Gurmat values rather than these cheap shots which transmit ego,anger and insecurity rather than Gurmat wisdom.
Tejwant ji
Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh
My remarks are no harsher than the ones that you wrote in your first post for me. Please see your language before accusing others.
Well, the thread is about Ardaas, we can talk about Dasam Granth in another thread while quoting lots of verses which are sexually explicit and hence anti Gurmat. But as you have inserted your favourite subject here, then one can presume you must have studied and thought about it a lot. So, let me ask you a couple of questions
As ardas beginning is from dasam granth it is but natural dasam Granth will come in the picture.
It depends upon the person who reads these compositions. if the reader's mind is sexually oriented he will go for that. But suffice to say that Dasam granth is for Gurmukh jogis and not manmukh bhogis.
1. Did Guru Gobind Singh give the name Dasam Granth?
2. If yes, then why would he have a separate Granth just on his name and add his father, Guru Teg Bahadar's Gurbani in Sri
Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru?
3. If Dasam Granth is by our 10th Guru, and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here, then why didn't our other Gurus have their own Granths with their Gurbani rather than complying it together in Sri
Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru
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1 It is immaterial whether tenth master gave it the name or not. name does not have any effect on the contents.
2) It is the prerogative of Guru ji. I am a mortal person and has no authority to question his decision.
3) Dasam Granth is for khalsa panth dealing with sikhism as an organized religion.
I am sure you must have thought a lot about the above questions as you have been propagating about the Dasam Granth for a long time. So please respond in details and educate us with your wisdom.
An accepted Granth needs no propagation. Khlasa panth is propagating it. Only a few heretics are waging a propaganda compaign deliberately to belittle a scripture that forms the core of khalsa panth.
First of all, you being untruthful here. I never mentioned what you have accused me of here, which is again a shame coming from someone who calls himself a Sikh to be untruthful so blatantly,
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You wrote in your post the following
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we will notice that it is against the Gurmat ideals given to us by our Gurus in the Sri
Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
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Can you specify what is anti Gurmat in subject pauri of ardas? Give answers instead of lengthening the discussion.
Your above statement shows how you love to underestimate others. You have already presumed that I have not read Dasam Granth which is a shame on your part. Please do not hesitate to ask questions rather than jumping to your own conclusions about others. This is one of many Gurmat ideals that all of us as
Sikhs should follow.
It is good to know that you have read it. You might be knowing the dates of completion of various compositions given in that. Then why the doubt?
Your first part of the statement is absolutely correct and I agree with you. We also know that who wrote Sri
Guru Granth Sahib Ji and the way it is written,, nothing can be added or taken out from it, but unfortunately, the second part is concocted. No one knows who wrote the so called Dasam Granth and that is the fact no matter how good a used car salesman you try to be.Once you have given the proof that Dasam Granth is written and put together by our 10th Guru, then we can discuss it further and the proof should come from the author, no one else. I am sure you know that.
That shows your attitude of insult towrads bani of tenth master. You are being uncivilized when you call it so called dasam granth. I hope you show some sensitivity towards a scripture whose banis
Sikhs( except a few heretics) follow.
Let me take a practical step. You live quite close to me. My friend has three digitised copies of Dasam Granth manuscripts with him in northern california. Come and see those. Accept the offer if you are a Gursikh.
Inder ji, It is your who claim that the Ardaas is written by our 10th Guru. And as it is your claim, then it is your duty to share with us what it says and if it compliments Gurmat values prescribed in the Sri
Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru, hence our benchmark. I am looking forward to reading your interpretation, NOT literal translation copied and pasted from the internet. As mentioned before whatever you claim you must have studied a lot about it. Once again, I am giving you the benefit of the doub
I have cited plenty of evidence that says .Dasam granth was part of
Sikh psyche and was placed alongside Sri
Guru Granth Sahib Ji in Gurmattas. Is it not enough? Since you cast aspersions on this it is your job to show us the evidence from
Sikh history with refrence. I am not asking for the moon. I am asking what you are supposed to furnish whenou make an accustaion contrary to
Sikh history and traditions.
I do not know if these people mentioned in the above news are the members of this forum. So your response has nothing to do with the people interacting with you here in this thread. Please stick to the conversation with the people here, otherwise the post becomes nothing but ranting through which no one can learn about Gurmat values and its ideals. So let us only address the people here.
I gave the facts about Inder ghagha who instigated to change ardas. You asked for proof. I gave you proof. Did it not satisfy you. If not i can post the video evidence here that shows him in discussion with some singhs in toronto where he was caught for passing stupid remarks against
Guru Nanak Dev ji and Guru arjan dev ji. Do you want that?
Is this the Sikhi way to demean others and call them ignorant because they are drivers? I am surprised at your attitude towards others. Is being a driver not a kirat prescribed by
Guru Nanak? Can you please give us the list of kirats that you claim
Guru Nanak gave us or is it your personal bias and discrimination which again is not a Sikhi way?
Tejwant ji, your heart seems to be very soft for those who resort to blasphemy and ridicule our Gurus. unfortunately that is not the case with me. I believe in couplet
Gur ki ninda sune na kaan
It seems from your posts and your accusations that you consider yourself superior to others where as Gurbani says, " Sabh Gobind hein, Gobind bin nahin koi". Do you believe and adhere to Sri
Guru Granth Sahib Ji? If you did then you would not be biased.
It is your personal assumption. let us not focus on personalities
PS: Please post a refrence here from
Sikh history wherein it is stated that Ardas was anti gurmat? If you are not able to do that, please be bold enough for tendering an apology to sangat for misleading them.
