Do Sikhs Believe In Angels?

[singhini]

That is beautiful Tejwant Singh.

When we allow god to flow through us freely and come from the place of peace within we are able to play the part of angels in the lives of others.

Whenever I have been in a time of need and someone appears to help me, I always believe I have been touched by an angel as the "god" part of the person is helping me. When a child, partner, parent, friend etc expresses love towards me, again I feel touched by an angel as it is the god inside them loving me.

May we all become true angels and allow god to flow through us freely into this beautiful world.

 

[singhini]

That is beautiful Tejwant Singh.

Indeed whenever I have been in a time of need in my life and someone appears to help me I always believe it is the god part of the person helping me....being touched by an angel. When a child, parent, partner, family member, friend etc, expresses love towards me it is the angel in them, the god in them loving me.

May we all become true angels and allow god to flow through us freely so we too can touch the lives of others on this beautiful planet and allow ourselves to flower perfectly.

 

[AdsKhalsa]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa..Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh........

Angles were human beings like us...after reciting Naam..and reaching certain stage they become angels...same way Devtaas in Hindu...they were human beings like us....but we don't have to stuck there...our ultimate target and destiny is GOD..Waheguru...Allah...Raam (Raam here means lord..not devtaa as in Hindus) here Raam mean "Jo Sab Me Rama Hua Hai"...who himself present/inculcated in everything...trees, air, water, birds, animals, humans, ...etc...everything you see in this world...

so angles do exist..they exist in everything..everybody........... we are told to follow Guru...and not to hang in between to Angles......our Angle is God ...God is in everybody............ultimate supreme power.............who even turn Devils into Angles...

Now we have to think..with whom we want to hang with...Angles ..or God........

CHARDI KALA............

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

GURBANI DECLARES....ONLY HUMANS can Naam japp..and REACH MERGER with The Creator.
THUS Human is the HIGHEST form of Creation.
NO HUMAN BODY...NO MERGER. period.
ONLY HUMANS CAN...read Gurbani..follow Gurbani..naam japp, kirt kar..waand chhak...change their lives for the better using GUrbani TOOLS...

 

[spnadmin]

ਜਿਨਿ ਮਾਣਸ ਤੇ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਕੀਏ ਕਰਤ ਨ ਲਾਗੀ ਵਾਰ ॥੧॥
jin maanas thae dhaevathae keeeae karath n laagee vaar ||1||
He made angels out of men, without delay. ||1||

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

ਜਿਨਿ ਮਾਣਸ ਤੇ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਕੀਏ ਕਰਤ ਨ ਲਾਗੀ ਵਾਰ ॥੧॥
jin maanas thae dhaevathae keeeae karath n laagee vaar ||1||
He made angels out of men, without delay. ||1||

AAD JI,
Gurfateh.

Nail on its head...strike !!
THOSE REFORMED HUMANS are the real and ONLY Angels Gurmatt approves....meaning one has to be a HUMAN....angel..shaitaan..murderer..saint...BUT HUMAN !!
Bhagat Pooran Singh..Mother Theresa...are ANGELS....but they are also HUMAN.
Gurbani is for HUMANS...to enable CHANGE....:happy::happy::happy::happy::happy:

 

[greenjuice]

isn't the angel of death metioned a lot in the Gurbani? and also Chirt and Gupt are metioned..

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਚਿਤੁ ਗੁਪਤੁ ਲਿਖਿ ਜਾਣਨਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਧਰਮੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥
गावनि तुधनो चितु गुपतु लिखि जाणनि लिखि लिखि धरमु बीचारे ॥
Gāvan ṯuḏẖno cẖiṯ gupaṯ likẖ jāṇan likẖ likẖ ḏẖaram bīcẖāre.
Chitr and Gupt, the angels of the conscious and the subconscious who keep the record of actions, and the Righteous Judge of Dharma who reads this record, sing of You.

(SGGS, 8)

Bhai Randhir Singh, Sachkhand Darshan

about Gian Khand:
"In the vastness of the Realm of Knowledge numerous types of winds...
...
Numerous too are demi gods like Vishnu and avatars like Krishan as well as Shiv and Rudhar...
...
Numerous are Brahams...
...
Numerous are Indars...
...
Numerous are the she-he-deities, and numerous are the demons, rishis and silent sages..."

what is Dharam Khand:
"The world here does not refer to the world we are in. It refers to the realm of divine light, where Dharamraj, the angel of righteousness, has been installed by the Primal Being Waheguru to oversee the carriage of justice."

 

[Randip Singh]

isn't the angel of death metioned a lot in the Gurbani? and also Chirt and Gupt are metioned..

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਤੁਧਨੋ ਚਿਤੁ ਗੁਪਤੁ ਲਿਖਿ ਜਾਣਨਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਧਰਮੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥
गावनि तुधनो चितु गुपतु लिखि जाणनि लिखि लिखि धरमु बीचारे ॥
Gāvan ṯuḏẖno cẖiṯ gupaṯ likẖ jāṇan likẖ likẖ ḏẖaram bīcẖāre.
Chitr and Gupt, the angels of the conscious and the subconscious who keep the record of actions, and the Righteous Judge of Dharma who reads this record, sing of You.

(SGGS, 8)

Bhai Randhir Singh, Sachkhand Darshan

about Gian Khand:
"In the vastness of the Realm of Knowledge numerous types of winds...
...
Numerous too are demi gods like Vishnu and avatars like Krishan as well as Shiv and Rudhar...
...
Numerous are Brahams...
...
Numerous are Indars...
...
Numerous are the she-he-deities, and numerous are the demons, rishis and silent sages..."

what is Dharam Khand:
"The world here does not refer to the world we are in. It refers to the realm of divine light, where Dharamraj, the angel of righteousness, has been installed by the Primal Being Waheguru to oversee the carriage of justice."

Let's stick to Bani rather than the writings of someone from a sect. Let's face it, Bhai Randhir's views on Dentistry leave a lot to be desired so lets forget talking about Angels.

From Page 6 the entire Shabad:

Sri Granth: Sri Guru Granth Sahib

ਆਖਹਿ ਗੋਪੀ ਤੈ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ॥
आखहि गोपी तै गोविंद ॥
Ākẖahi gopī ṯai govinḏ.
The Gopis and Krishna speak.

ਆਖਹਿ ਈਸਰ ਆਖਹਿ ਸਿਧ ॥
आखहि ईसर आखहि सिध ॥
Ākẖahi īsar ākẖahi siḏẖ.
Shiva speaks, the Siddhas speak.

ਆਖਹਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੀਤੇ ਬੁਧ ॥
आखहि केते कीते बुध ॥
Ākẖahi keṯe kīṯe buḏẖ.
The many created Buddhas speak.

ਆਖਹਿ ਦਾਨਵ ਆਖਹਿ ਦੇਵ ॥
आखहि दानव आखहि देव ॥
Ākẖahi ḏānav ākẖahi ḏev.
The demons speak, the demi-gods speak.

ਆਖਹਿ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਰ ਮੁਨਿ ਜਨ ਸੇਵ ॥
आखहि सुरि नर मुनि जन सेव ॥
Ākẖahi sur nar mun jan sev.
The spiritual warriors, the heavenly beings, the silent sages, the humble and serviceful speak.

ਕੇਤੇ ਆਖਹਿ ਆਖਣਿ ਪਾਹਿ ॥
केते आखहि आखणि पाहि ॥
Keṯe ākẖahi ākẖaṇ pāhi.
Many speak and try to describe Him.

ਕੇਤੇ ਕਹਿ ਕਹਿ ਉਠਿ ਉਠਿ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
केते कहि कहि उठि उठि जाहि ॥
Keṯe kahi kahi uṯẖ uṯẖ jāhi.
Many have spoken of Him over and over again, and have then arisen and departed.

ਏਤੇ ਕੀਤੇ ਹੋਰਿ ਕਰੇਹਿ ॥
एते कीते होरि करेहि ॥
Ėṯe kīṯe hor karehi.
If He were to create as many again as there already are,

ਤਾ ਆਖਿ ਨ ਸਕਹਿ ਕੇਈ ਕੇਇ ॥
ता आखि न सकहि केई केइ ॥
Ŧā ākẖ na sakahi ke▫ī ke▫e.
even then, they could not describe Him.

ਜੇਵਡੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤੇਵਡੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
जेवडु भावै तेवडु होइ ॥
Jevad bẖāvai ṯevad ho▫e.
He is as Great as He wishes to be.

ਨਾਨਕ ਜਾਣੈ ਸਾਚਾ ਸੋਇ ॥
नानक जाणै साचा सोइ ॥
Nānak jāṇai sācẖā so▫e.
O Nanak, the True Lord knows.

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਆਖੈ ਬੋਲੁਵਿਗਾੜੁ ॥
जे को आखै बोलुविगाड़ु ॥
Je ko ākẖai boluvigāṛ.
If anyone presumes to describe God,

ਤਾ ਲਿਖੀਐ ਸਿਰਿ ਗਾਵਾਰਾ ਗਾਵਾਰੁ ॥੨੬॥
ता लिखीऐ सिरि गावारा गावारु ॥२६॥
Ŧā likī▫ai sir gāvārā gāvār. ||26||
he shall be known as the greatest fool of fools! ||26||

ਸੋ ਦਰੁ ਕੇਹਾ ਸੋ ਘਰੁ ਕੇਹਾ ਜਿਤੁ ਬਹਿ ਸਰਬ ਸਮਾਲੇ ॥
सो दरु केहा सो घरु केहा जितु बहि सरब समाले ॥
So ḏar kehā so gẖar kehā jiṯ bahi sarab samāle.
Where is that Gate, and where is that Dwelling, in which You sit and take care of all?

ਵਾਜੇ ਨਾਦ ਅਨੇਕ ਅਸੰਖਾ ਕੇਤੇ ਵਾਵਣਹਾਰੇ ॥
वाजे नाद अनेक असंखा केते वावणहारे ॥
vāje nāḏ anek asankẖā keṯe vāvaṇhāre.
The Sound-current of the Naad vibrates there, and countless musicians play on all sorts of instruments there.

ਕੇਤੇ ਰਾਗ ਪਰੀ ਸਿਉ ਕਹੀਅਨਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਗਾਵਣਹਾਰੇ ॥
केते राग परी सिउ कहीअनि केते गावणहारे ॥
Keṯe rāg parī si▫o kahī▫an keṯe gāvaṇhāre.
So many Ragas, so many musicians singing there.

ਗਾਵਹਿ ਤੁਹਨੋ ਪਉਣੁ ਪਾਣੀ ਬੈਸੰਤਰੁ ਗਾਵੈ ਰਾਜਾ ਧਰਮੁ ਦੁਆਰੇ ॥
गावहि तुहनो पउणु पाणी बैसंतरु गावै राजा धरमु दुआरे ॥
Gāvahi ṯuhno pa▫uṇ pāṇī baisanṯar gāvai rājā ḏẖaram ḏu▫āre.
The praanic wind, water and fire sing; the Righteous Judge of Dharma sings at Your Door.

ਗਾਵਹਿ ਚਿਤੁ ਗੁਪਤੁ ਲਿਖਿ ਜਾਣਹਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਧਰਮੁ ਵੀਚਾਰੇ ॥
गावहि चितु गुपतु लिखि जाणहि लिखि लिखि धरमु वीचारे ॥
Gāvahi cẖiṯ gupaṯ likẖ jāṇėh likẖ likẖ ḏẖaram vīcẖāre.
Chitr and Gupt, the angels of the conscious and the subconscious who record actions, and the Righteous Judge of Dharma who judges this record sing.

ਗਾਵਹਿ ਈਸਰੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਦੇਵੀ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਸਦਾ ਸਵਾਰੇ ॥
गावहि ईसरु बरमा देवी सोहनि सदा सवारे ॥
Gāvahi īsar barmā ḏevī sohan saḏā savāre.
Shiva, Brahma and the Goddess of Beauty, ever adorned, sing.

ਗਾਵਹਿ ਇੰਦ ਇਦਾਸਣਿ ਬੈਠੇ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਦਰਿ ਨਾਲੇ ॥
गावहि इंद इदासणि बैठे देवतिआ दरि नाले ॥
Gāvahi inḏ iḏāsaṇ baiṯẖe ḏeviṯi▫ā ḏar nāle.
Indra, seated upon His Throne, sings with the deities at Your Door.

ਗਾਵਹਿ ਸਿਧ ਸਮਾਧੀ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਸਾਧ ਵਿਚਾਰੇ ॥
गावहि सिध समाधी अंदरि गावनि साध विचारे ॥
Gāvahi siḏẖ samāḏẖī anḏar gāvan sāḏẖ vicẖāre.
The Siddhas in Samaadhi sing; the Saadhus sing in contemplation.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਜਤੀ ਸਤੀ ਸੰਤੋਖੀ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਵੀਰ ਕਰਾਰੇ ॥
गावनि जती सती संतोखी गावहि वीर करारे ॥
Gāvan jaṯī saṯī sanṯokẖī gāvahi vīr karāre.
The celibates, the fanatics, the peacefully accepting and the fearless warriors sing.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਪੜਨਿ ਰਖੀਸਰ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਵੇਦਾ ਨਾਲੇ ॥
गावनि पंडित पड़नि रखीसर जुगु जुगु वेदा नाले ॥
Gāvan pandiṯ paṛan rakẖīsar jug jug veḏā nāle.
The Pandits, the religious scholars who recite the Vedas, with the supreme sages of all the ages, sing.

ਗਾਵਹਿ ਮੋਹਣੀਆ ਮਨੁ ਮੋਹਨਿ ਸੁਰਗਾ ਮਛ ਪਇਆਲੇ ॥
गावहि मोहणीआ मनु मोहनि सुरगा मछ पइआले ॥
Gāvahi mohṇī▫ā man mohan surgā macẖẖ pa▫i▫āle.
The Mohinis, the enchanting heavenly beauties who entice hearts in this world, in paradise, and in the underworld of the subconscious sing.

ਗਾਵਨਿ ਰਤਨ ਉਪਾਏ ਤੇਰੇ ਅਠਸਠਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਨਾਲੇ ॥
गावनि रतन उपाए तेरे अठसठि तीरथ नाले ॥
Gāvan raṯan upā▫e ṯere aṯẖsaṯẖ ṯirath nāle.
The celestial jewels created by You, and the sixty-eight holy places of pilgrimage sing.

ਗਾਵਹਿ ਜੋਧ ਮਹਾਬਲ ਸੂਰਾ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਖਾਣੀ ਚਾਰੇ ॥
गावहि जोध महाबल सूरा गावहि खाणी चारे ॥
Gāvahi joḏẖ mahābal sūrā gāvahi kẖāṇī cẖāre.
The brave and mighty warriors sing; the spiritual heroes and the four sources of creation sing.

ਗਾਵਹਿ ਖੰਡ ਮੰਡਲ ਵਰਭੰਡਾ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਰਖੇ ਧਾਰੇ ॥
गावहि खंड मंडल वरभंडा करि करि रखे धारे ॥
Gāvahi kẖand mandal varbẖandā kar kar rakẖe ḏẖāre.
The planets, solar systems and galaxies, created and arranged by Your Hand, sing.

ਸੇਈ ਤੁਧੁਨੋ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਜੋ ਤੁਧੁ ਭਾਵਨਿ ਰਤੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਭਗਤ ਰਸਾਲੇ ॥
सेई तुधुनो गावहि जो तुधु भावनि रते तेरे भगत रसाले ॥
Se▫ī ṯuḏẖuno gāvahi jo ṯuḏẖ bẖāvan raṯe ṯere bẖagaṯ rasāle.
They alone sing, who are pleasing to Your Will. Your devotees are imbued with the Nectar of Your Essence.

ਹੋਰਿ ਕੇਤੇ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਸੇ ਮੈ ਚਿਤਿ ਨ ਆਵਨਿ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਿਆ ਵੀਚਾਰੇ ॥
होरि केते गावनि से मै चिति न आवनि नानकु किआ वीचारे ॥
Hor keṯe gāvan se mai cẖiṯ na āvan Nānak ki▫ā vīcẖāre.
So many others sing, they do not come to mind. O Nanak, how can I consider them all?

ਸੋਈ ਸੋਈ ਸਦਾ ਸਚੁ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਚੀ ਨਾਈ ॥
सोई सोई सदा सचु साहिबु साचा साची नाई ॥
So▫ī so▫ī saḏā sacẖ sāhib sācẖā sācẖī nā▫ī.
That True Lord is True, Forever True, and True is His Name.

ਹੈ ਭੀ ਹੋਸੀ ਜਾਇ ਨ ਜਾਸੀ ਰਚਨਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਰਚਾਈ ॥
है भी होसी जाइ न जासी रचना जिनि रचाई ॥
Hai bẖī hosī jā▫e na jāsī racẖnā jin racẖā▫ī.
He is, and shall always be. He shall not depart, even when this Universe which He has created departs.

ਰੰਗੀ ਰੰਗੀ ਭਾਤੀ ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਜਿਨਸੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਜਿਨਿ ਉਪਾਈ ॥
रंगी रंगी भाती करि करि जिनसी माइआ जिनि उपाई ॥
Rangī rangī bẖāṯī kar kar jinsī mā▫i▫ā jin upā▫ī.
He created the world, with its various colors, species of beings, and the variety of Maya.

ਕਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਕੀਤਾ ਆਪਣਾ ਜਿਵ ਤਿਸ ਦੀ ਵਡਿਆਈ ॥
करि करि वेखै कीता आपणा जिव तिस दी वडिआई ॥
Kar kar vekẖai kīṯā āpṇā jiv ṯis ḏī vadi▫ā▫ī.
Having created the creation, He watches over it Himself, by His Greatness.

ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੋਈ ਕਰਸੀ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਕਰਣਾ ਜਾਈ ॥
जो तिसु भावै सोई करसी हुकमु न करणा जाई ॥
Jo ṯis bẖāvai so▫ī karsī hukam na karṇā jā▫ī.
He does whatever He pleases. No order can be issued to Him.

ਸੋ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੁ ਸਾਹਾ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਰਹਣੁ ਰਜਾਈ ॥੨੭॥
सो पातिसाहु साहा पातिसाहिबु नानक रहणु रजाई ॥२७॥
So pāṯisāhu sāhā pāṯisāhib Nānak rahaṇ rajā▫ī. ||27||
He is the King, the King of kings, the Supreme Lord and Master of kings. Nanak remains subject to His Will. ||27||

ਮੁੰਦਾ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਸਰਮੁ ਪਤੁ ਝੋਲੀ ਧਿਆਨ ਕੀ ਕਰਹਿ ਬਿਭੂਤਿ ॥
मुंदा संतोखु सरमु पतु झोली धिआन की करहि बिभूति ॥
Munḏa sanṯokẖ saram paṯ jẖolī ḏẖi▫ān kī karahi bibẖūṯ.
Make contentment your ear-rings, humility your begging bowl, and meditation the ashes you apply to your body.

ਖਿੰਥਾ ਕਾਲੁ ਕੁਆਰੀ ਕਾਇਆ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਡੰਡਾ ਪਰਤੀਤਿ ॥
खिंथा कालु कुआरी काइआ जुगति डंडा परतीति ॥
Kẖinthā kāl ku▫ārī kā▫i▫ā jugaṯ dandā parṯīṯ.
Let the remembrance of death be the patched coat you wear, let the purity of virginity be your way in the world, and let faith in the Lord be your walking stick.

ਆਈ ਪੰਥੀ ਸਗਲ ਜਮਾਤੀ ਮਨਿ ਜੀਤੈ ਜਗੁ ਜੀਤੁ ॥
आई पंथी सगल जमाती मनि जीतै जगु जीतु ॥
Ā▫ī panthī sagal jamāṯī man jīṯai jag jīṯ.
See the brotherhood of all mankind as the highest order of Yogis; conquer your own mind, and conquer the world.

ਆਦੇਸੁ ਤਿਸੈ ਆਦੇਸੁ ॥
आदेसु तिसै आदेसु ॥
Āḏes ṯisai āḏes.
I bow to Him, I humbly bow.

ਆਦਿ ਅਨੀਲੁ ਅਨਾਦਿ ਅਨਾਹਤਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਏਕੋ ਵੇਸੁ ॥੨੮॥
आदि अनीलु अनादि अनाहति जुगु जुगु एको वेसु ॥२८॥
Āḏ anīl anāḏ anāhaṯ jug jug eko ves. ||28||
The Primal One, the Pure Light, without beginning, without end. Throughout all the ages, He is One and the Same. ||28||

ਭੁਗਤਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਦਇਆ ਭੰਡਾਰਣਿ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਵਾਜਹਿ ਨਾਦ ॥
भुगति गिआनु दइआ भंडारणि घटि घटि वाजहि नाद ॥
Bẖugaṯ gi▫ān ḏa▫i▫ā bẖandāraṇ gẖat gẖat vājėh nāḏ.
Let spiritual wisdom be your food, and compassion your attendant. The Sound-current of the Naad vibrates in each and every heart.

ਆਪਿ ਨਾਥੁ ਨਾਥੀ ਸਭ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਰਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ ਅਵਰਾ ਸਾਦ ॥
आपि नाथु नाथी सभ जा की रिधि सिधि अवरा साद ॥
Āp nāth nāthī sabẖ jā kī riḏẖ siḏẖ avrā sāḏ.
He Himself is the Supreme Master of all; wealth and miraculous spiritual powers, and all other external tastes and pleasures, are all like beads on a string.

ਸੰਜੋਗੁ ਵਿਜੋਗੁ ਦੁਇ ਕਾਰ ਚਲਾਵਹਿ ਲੇਖੇ ਆਵਹਿ ਭਾਗ ॥
संजोगु विजोगु दुइ कार चलावहि लेखे आवहि भाग ॥
Sanjog vijog ḏu▫e kār cẖalāvėh lekẖe āvahi bẖāg.
Union with Him, and separation from Him, come by His Will. We come to receive what is written in our destiny.


If you read the entire Shabad it alludes to something else. Really talks about the unimportance of these other concepts of angels, demi-gods etc.

Again reading all of Page 8:

http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=0&Param=8

The actual message of the shabad is actually different.

 

[Tejwant Singh]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa..Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh........

Angles were human beings like us...after reciting Naam..and reaching certain stage they become angels...same way Devtaas in Hindu...they were human beings like us....but we don't have to stuck there...our ultimate target and destiny is GOD..Waheguru...Allah...Raam (Raam here means lord..not devtaa as in Hindus) here Raam mean "Jo Sab Me Rama Hua Hai"...who himself present/inculcated in everything...trees, air, water, birds, animals, humans, ...etc...everything you see in this world...

so angles do exist..they exist in everything..everybody........... we are told to follow Guru...and not to hang in between to Angles......our Angle is God ...God is in everybody............ultimate supreme power.............who even turn Devils into Angles...

Now we have to think..with whom we want to hang with...Angles ..or God........

CHARDI KALA............

AdsKhalsa ji,

Guru Fateh.

I beg to differ with you. There are NO real angels in Sikhi but there are a lot in Hinduism, and the 3 semitic religions.

When Gurbani talks about angels, it talks about the inner improvement of a human being which happens when we are capable of breeding goodness within with the help of the tools given to us in the SGGS, our ONLY GURU.

Tejwant Singh

 

[AdsKhalsa]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa..Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh....Tejwant Singh Ji...

As far I think, may be I am wrong, but Guru Ji has confirmed that there are angles like Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh, but these are also under influence of Maya...

ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥
इकु संसारी इकु भंडारी इकु लाए दीबाणु ॥
Ik sansārī ik bẖandārī ik lā▫e ḏībāṇ.
One, the Creator of the World; One, the Sustainer; and One, the Destroyer.


well I remember one Pankti also: (link: http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurma...ni-kirtan-28-tilak-janju-rakha.html#post47386)

hY hY hY sB jg BXo jY jY jY sur lok ] 16]
Hai hai hai sabh jag bhayo jai jai jai sur lok||16||
With the world Lamented, the gods hailed his arrival in heavens.


I heard in a katha..it meansthat all Angles hailed........

But I also believe...Only Guru...

I believe: " So Dar Rehraas Sahib"..

also..Sawaiye...." Brahm Bishan Mahesh Sachipat..aant Phase Jam Phaas Paraye".. (even Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh (Shiv) and Indra have to get their account balance from Righteous Judge of Dharma)



I don't believe in them..but I respect everybody...we are not like them..we don't want to like them...but they are sitting at Guru's door and sings.....because God is supreme to all these...they are like us...even their account is settled by God of Dharma...

By angles I mean these Demi-Gods...not Waheguru...


I may be wrong...I am a learner....and here to learn..

Chardi Kala.........

 

[spnadmin]

AdsKhalsa ji

You always apologize -- but I have a certain sense of connection with you on this aspect of the discussion of angels, and other discussions where Hindu concepts are used in Gurbani. We kind of gloss over the reasons why Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj has so many of these references. And a good exercise would be to do a more in-depth review on this topic. The Gurus did not mean these to be taken literally. But we are looking for some good essays on why not. Sat Nam.

 

[AdsKhalsa]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa..Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.... Aaad0002 Ji...

Whenever I thinks that I made something wrong...I think its better to apologize. and that's to Sangat.....well it makes a person humble.....even many times we have to say sorry..even tough we are not wrong......

I said I may be wrong...because I am not still sure.. It happens with me that I had been perceived wrong...e.g. I should have written at first reply on "Wrong translation of Japuji Sahab by Radhaswami sect." thread that...'I just want to correct you...and not have any intension to divert the topic"....because of that we have so many replies and confusion...so I apologized... I have a jack of all..master of none in Gurbani...so its better to accept the mistakes and learn from that.....

Chardi Kala............

ek shayar ne likhya ae...

Putter Teg (Guru Teg Bahadur Ji) de nu aakhey kul duniya…
Ke o Teg (Talwaar/Sword) da dhani kamala da Si…
Yodhe Veer kamban sun ke naam ohda…
Rutba khaasaan –cho-khaas jalaal da si…
Ohda roop talwar si gairiyaan layi…
Te maadeyaan layi roop dhal da si…
Ohde gatrey sabdi shook di si….
Ohde bhattey ch roop kaal da si…
Par main kalam da vi ohnu dhani aakhaan…
Aisa likhat ch josh bhar gaya ae…
Ohda jafarnama Aurangzeb pad ke …
Bina Teg (Talwaar/Sword) de vaar ton mar gaya ae….​

 

[Astroboy]

Gurbani acknowledges the existence of angels but does not ask us to pray to them.
The first line on Page 72 of SGGS gives an understanding.
Page 83 further explains what is the food and provisions of an angel.
Page 143 explains that even the Angels have to depart, they are not permanent.
Page 258 touches on Angels deluded by doubt;
Page 271 mentions that angelic beings sing the Praises of God in the company of the Satguru.
Page 297 say Angels seek the Ocean of Peace.

 

[Randip Singh]

Gurbani acknowledges the existence of angels but does not ask us to pray to them.
The first line on Page 72 of SGGS gives an understanding.
Page 83 further explains what is the food and provisions of an angel.
Page 143 explains that even the Angels have to depart, they are not permanent.
Page 258 touches on Angels deluded by doubt;
Page 271 mentions that angelic beings sing the Praises of God in the company of the Satguru.
Page 297 say Angels seek the Ocean of Peace.

I disagree here.

These terms are used as metaphors here.

 

[Randip Singh]

AdsKhalsa ji

You always apologize -- but I have a certain sense of connection with you on this aspect of the discussion of angels, and other discussions where Hindu concepts are used in Gurbani. We kind of gloss over the reasons why Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj has so many of these references. And a good exercise would be to do a more in-depth review on this topic. The Gurus did not mean these to be taken literally. But we are looking for some good essays on why not. Sat Nam.

What we have to remember is parts of Bani are actually directed at a particular audience. One can imagine the fledgling "Sikh" community who were in essence Hindu's from Vashnav, Shivite and other backgrounds. The Guru's used terminology they were familiar with.

This this theme is continued in Chandi di Vaar (Dasam Granth).

As was explained to me, it does not necessarily mean teh Guru's believed in these concepts but used these concepts to explain to people their own concepts.

 

[greenjuice]

Let's stick to Bani rather than the writings of someone from a sect.

just wanted to say that i don't like this sentance..
Bhai Randhir Singh was not a sectarian, but a distinguished Sikh, and (correct me if i'm wrong) the only person in Sikh history to be honoured by all the Takhts, in their hukamnamas.. and the sentance furhter implies that this famous Gursikh did not stick to Bani, but i'm pretty shure that sticking to Bani was his whole life..

thanks for the post, namjap

 

[Randip Singh]

just wanted to say that i don't like this sentance..
Bhai Randhir Singh was not a sectarian, but a distinguished Sikh, and (correct me if i'm wrong) the only person in Sikh history to be honoured by all the Takhts, in their hukamnamas.. and the sentance furhter implies that this famous Gursikh did not stick to Bani, but i'm pretty shure that sticking to Bani was his whole life..

I am entitled to my opinion and I don't rate this man as much as some do. I have read his autobiography and it is cringe worthy, and parts of it made me laugh out loud. Yet he wrote this. Not something I would expect from someone who is meant to be an intellectual.

 

[greenjuice]

no offence Randip, but between yours and the opinion of a man honored by all Takhts, the choise is obvious...

 

[Randip Singh]

no offence Randip, but between yours and the opinion of a man honored by all Takhts, the choise is obvious...

Thats your opinion :welcome:. Mine is i don't rate him!!

 

[spnadmin]

What we have to remember is parts of Bani are actually directed at a particular audience. One can imagine the fledgling "Sikh" community who were in essence Hindu's from Vashnav, Shivite and other backgrounds. The Guru's used terminology they were familiar with.

This this theme is continued in Chandi di Vaar (Dasam Granth).

As was explained to me, it does not necessarily mean teh Guru's believed in these concepts but used these concepts to explain to people their own concepts.

Randip ji

I agree 100 percent. At some point it would be a good idea to start a thread on this as a general issue in understanding Gurbani.