Respected Balbir ji
As much as I am enjoying this exchange, later tonight I have to listen to Bhai Sukha Singh Nihang ji sing on Sikhnet. He gives the audio translation and katha in English for the Daily Hukamnama.
As much as I am enjoying this exchange, later tonight I have to listen to Bhai Sukha Singh Nihang ji sing on Sikhnet. He gives the audio translation and katha in English for the Daily Hukamnama.
Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Aad0002 Jee!
And tonight is one of the nights I do seva by transcribing the hukam for the English speaking audience. So I will be listening to Guru sing and Sukha sing (a little joke) at the same time, and won't be able to return to SPN until tomorrow. I am also bragging a little.
Quote "Bhai Gurdas remains in my opinion (only my opinion) the pre-eminent reference for better understanding of Bani per Gurmat. I always check the vaars of Bhai Gurdas when I need more."
I am sorry for all who prefer to receive advice from Bhai Gurdas Jee.
But Veer Balbir ji,
It is your choice to do what you say above. No one would deny you your right to make this decision.
This is another example why I find his writings totally different from the true Gurus.
Bhai Gurdas Jee is explaining who is a Sikh in this Vaak from his Vaar 6-8-5.
ਘਰ ਬਾਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਸਿਖੁ ਹੋਇ ਸਿਖਾ ਸੂਤ੍ਰ ਮਲ ਮੂਤ੍ਰ ਵਿਡਾਣੈ ।
ghar baaree gur sikhu hoi sikhaa sootr mal mootr vidaanai|
OK, Veer ji. This is the line you refer to.
ਘਰ ਬਾਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਸਿਖੁ ਹੋਇ ਸਿਖਾ ਸੂਤ੍ਰ ਮਲ ਮੂਤ੍ਰ ਵਿਡਾਣੈ ।
ghar baaree gur sikhu hoi sikhaa sootr mal mootr vidaanai|
The sikh being a householder abnegates tonsure,the sacred thread ( Janeau), etc and forsakes them like abdominable faeces.
Line 5
I confess to ignorance. What is the connection between this line and the rest of the thread? Sometimes I need to have things spelled out for me.
Quote "A loaded question I think. Just about every animated forum member here on SPN believes that he/she is taking care of the Guru's values. You are not alone."
O Really! Some seem taking more care of other writers than the true Gurus, in my observation.
Quote "The entire vaar - Vaar 39 - explains this.
Let me reword my answer. Which is what International Akaali was trying to explore with you when he suggested you read the entire Vaar, instead of a few lines.
ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ ਇਕਾਂਗ ਲਿਖਿ ਊੜਾ ਓਅੰਕਾਰੁ ਲਿਖਾਇਆ ।
ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਹੋਇ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਸਦਾਇਆ ।
I hope you know Gurmukhee. Please explain. One should pronounce which word 'ik aoonkaar' from Bhai Gurdas Jee's above lines as referred by International Akaali Jee. I will be grateful.
You are overly focused on these two lines. When International ji wrote them he was making a different but related point. Later he referred you to the entire vaar, not just one or two lines, so one would grasp the whole of Bhai Vardas' message.
May I ask? Bhai Gurdas Jee did not live during Guru Gobind Singh Jee's time. Why in his Vaar 39-4-1 he has mentioned Guru Gobind Singh Jee, that also as Guru Gobind but not Guru Gobind Singh?
ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਪੀਰ ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ ਚੇਲਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਹੋਆ ।
gur govindu khudaai peer guru chaylaa chaylaa guru hoaa|
Veer Balbir ji,
This what Bhai Gurdas is saying in the vaar.
ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਪੀਰ ਗੁਰੁ ਚੇਲਾ ਚੇਲਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਹੋਆ ।
gur govindu khudaai peer guru chaylaa chaylaa guru hoaa|
Guru Hargobind is the Lord in the form of Guru. Earlier a disciple he is now a. Guru i.e. earlier Gurus and Guru Hargobind are the same.
He is talking about Guru Hargobind -- and calling him gur govindu. Govindu means in this line - "Seed of the Universe" not Guru Gobind Singh Rai
Quote "As a Sikh of the Shabad Guru, I listen to the Shabad of the Guru. I don't know who others listen to. Can't speak for the others."
Please explain. When did you listen, Gurdev suggesting Sikhs to read <> Ik Oankaar?
The transliteration is based on English sound or phonetic rules. So trying to discuss what someone hears from a written version of the same thing is a waste of time. What one sees and what one hears are not the same thing.
Quote "Why do you dismiss Christians? What else can I say?"
I greet all happiness on the eve of the Christian year with love. I will try to improve my English next to greet all on other occasions, promise.
Christians will rejoice! They always rejoice.
Balbir Singh