Fear Of God

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Sikh80 Jee!

Have you also an advice for those who have translated Gurbaanee wrongly by adding their own words and imaginations to explain Guru's words?
Please let me know if you have a purpose to promote particular translations and do not wish readers to know the truth.


Balbir Singh

 

[spnadmin]

No ,my nerve fibres are ok. I am taking time as the question that you have required to be answered is tricky. I am tempted to write that 'Bhao'/'bhay' can be treated as mathematical constant to mean to be 'afraid of.' It should lead to that there is no element of 'reverence ' attached to it unless the context makes it clear by use of some adjective etc. or

The subject matter states so.

What are you arriving at. ?????

You want to replace 'Fear' with 'awe'.

Sikh80 ji

Thanks for taking the question seriously. I am not arriving at any particular point. My curiosity about the way that a word changes meaning in context is behind my questions. Not speaking Punjabi, the meaning of fear in context would not be something I would be able to figure out on my own. So I depend on your understanding.

 

[Sikh80]

You are most welcome. I shall try to do to the extent it is possible for me.

 

[Sikh80]

BY ibnu Bgiq n hoeI kb hI BY Bwie Bgiq svwrI ]6] (911-3, rwmklI, mÚ 3)
Without the Fear of God, devotional worship is never performed; through the Love and the Fear of God, devotional worship is embellished. ||6||

 

[Sikh80]

No devotional worship without Fear
inkit vsY dyKY sBu soeI ] (831-9, iblwvlu, mÚ 1)
He dwells close at hand, and sees all,
gurmuiK ivrlw bUJY koeI ] (831-9, iblwvlu, mÚ 1)
but how rare is the Gurmukh who understands this.
ivxu BY pieAY Bgiq n hoeI ] (831-9, iblwvlu, mÚ 1)
Without the Fear of God, there is no devotional worship.

 

[Sikh80]

No devotional worship without Fear
ibnu BY BgqI qrnu kYsy ] (829-9, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)
Without the Fear of God, and devotional worship, how can anyone cross over the world-ocean?

 

[Sikh80]

BY qy aupjY Bgiq pRB AMqir hoie sWiq ] (814-10, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)
From the Fear of God, devotion wells up, and deep within, there is peace.
nwmu jpq goivMd kw ibnsY BRm BRWiq ]1] (814-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)
Chanting the Name of the Lord of the Universe, doubt and delusions are dispelled. ||1||

 

[Sikh80]

No devotion without Fear
BY ibnu Bgiq n hoveI nwim n lgY ipAwru ] (788-13, sUhI, mÚ 3)
Without the Fear of God, there is no devotional worship, and no love for the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

 

[Sikh80]

No devotional worship without Fear
ibnu BY BgqI qrnu kYsy ] (829-9, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)
Without the Fear of God, and devotional worship, how can anyone cross over the world-ocean?

 

[Sikh80]

Fear leads to detatchment
jW Bau pwey Awpxw bYrwgu aupjY min Awie ] (490-17, gUjrI, mÚ 3)
When God instills His fear, a balanced detachment springs up in the mind.
bYrwgY qy hir pweIAY hir isau rhY smwie ]2] (490-18, gUjrI, mÚ 3)
Through this detachment, the Lord is obtained, and one remains absorbed in the Lord. ||2||

 

[Sikh80]

Leads to salvation
gUjrI jwiq gvwir jw shu pwey Awpxw ] (516-8, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
The milkmaid's status is very low, but she attains her Husband Lord
gur kY sbid vIcwir Anidnu hir jpu jwpxw ] (516-8, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
when she reflects upon the Word of the Guru's Shabad, and chants the Lord's Name, night and day.
ijsu siqguru imlY iqsu Bau pvY sw kulvMqI nwir ] (516-9, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
She who meets the True Guru, lives in the Fear of God; she is a woman of noble birth.
sw hukmu pCwxY kMq kw ijs no ik®pw kIqI krqwir ] (516-9, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
She alone realizes the Hukam of her Husband Lord's Command, who is blessed by the Creator Lord's Mercy.

BY pieAY mlu ktIAY inrml hovY srIru ] (516-10, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
By the Fear of God, filth is washed off, and the body becomes immaculately pure.

 

[Sikh80]

AMqir prgwsu miq aUqm hovY hir jip guxI ghIru ] (516-11, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
The soul is enlightened, and the intellect is exalted, meditating on the Lord, the ocean of excellence.
BY ivic bYsY BY rhY BY ivic kmwvY kwr ] (516-11, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
One who dwells in the Fear of God, lives in the Fear of God, and acts in the Fear of God.
AYQY suKu vifAweIAw drgh moK duAwr ] (516-12, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
He obtains peace and glorious greatness here, in the Lord's Court, and at the Gate of Salvation.

 

[Sikh80]

BY qy inrBau pweIAY imil joqI joiq Apwr ] (516-12, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
Through the Fear of God, the Fearless Lord is obtained, and one's light merges in the Infinite Light.
nwnk KsmY BwvY sw BlI ijs no Awpy bKsy krqwru ]1] (516-12, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
O Nanak, that bride alone is good, who is pleasing to her Lord and Master, and whom the Creator Lord Himself forgives.

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all!

Guru Gobind Singh Jee put His best efforts to make Sikhs brave Singhs.
The translators of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee are trying their best to make Sikhs cowards full of fears.

I want to ask why they have translated and understood words like bha-o, bha-ay fear of God. I have not seen any Sikh trembling with fear of God. Is this the reason that true Sikhs are rare?


Balbir Singh

 

[Sikh80]

Interesting observation, but I do not know any translator.

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Sikh80 Jee!

One knows a translator for his translations.
Why the translations provided have convinced many, please explain?


Balbir Singh

 

[Sikh80]

Dear Balbir ji,
Translations that we are talking of are handy and are easily available. Hence these are in vogue. Had the translations not been available, one would have referred to 'Tikkas' as we call them in Punjabi. Referring to Tikka is a time consuming affair. Hence we are moving from the culture of study to the visual culture. In translations we are not applying our grey matter to work and we take the thing as it is. It suits a human being.Hence we take a short cut by referring to translations.I do agree that translations are not at all reliable means to learning.
But it is short cut.

Regards.

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Sikh80 Jee!

Quote "I do agree that translations are not at all reliable means to learning."
What may happen to those who want to know truly God Nirbhao (without bhao) but are training them to tremble with fear?


Balbir Singh

 

[drkhalsa]

Dear Balbir Singh Ji


Satsriakal!

Thanks for the posts

I want to ask why they have translated and understood words like bha-o, bha-ay fear of God

Can you please give your views about these words it can be of use

Thanks

Jatinder singh

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Jatinder Jee!

Quote "Can you please give your views about these words it can be of use?"
Dear Veer, right now I am busy writing an interesting chapter on this topic for the next book in preparation. Please wait a little. I would love to share it with all soon.


Balbir Singh