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skeptic.freethinker1 thanks for your posts. It adds a lot if you talk first person about yourself rather than try to disprove something.Harry Haller Ji,
I understand that you have faith and you truly believe existence of God to be an absolute fact.
The issue is that the reasoning you put forward can also be applied to existence of many other things like unicorns and Santa Claus if faith is the only criteria.
For example someone can say "If you look deep within yourself, you will find Santa Claus,. You will know it is Santa Claus as deep within you there is a pool of light and information, and it is never wrong, now for me this is absolute fact, not rhetoric"
I just took your comments and replaced the word God with Santa Claus.
The person putting forward the above reasoning would also have faith in the existence in Santa Claus but that wouldn't really give any credibility to his claims. Then why do we have a different set of rules to judge the claims that God's existence is a fact whereas Santa Claus is just make believe!
Can you please succinctly state if you for something, against something or looking for proof of God as though somebody claiming such find or ownership or path to the same. Sikhism encourages straight speak. Your kind of logic has been used historically to contrast, clarify and question but usually with an answer or observation. Lot of the use of the word "faith" in Harry Haller's posts I read as "I expect to see, I expect to discover, ....", it is not stated as a blind assumption of somebody told me so or I told myself so.
We (most that I have done dialog with) certainly in most cases are familiar with the simplistic logic you project like, " Buffalos are black, they give milk, so all black things must give milk". It is cute but not very value add.
Please provide your positive first hand discourse as most are doing so. May be not the exact English that you want them to be using.
Assuming you are "Humanism" centric per your inclinations, do you believe Sikhism includes Humanism as a sub-set of values or Humanism is super set of values that includes Sikhism as a subset? It perhaps will help everyone understand the dialog little better.
Regards for your contributions and appreciate some first person examples, experiences as if for/against (it really does not matter as that is part of discourse).
Sat Sri Akal.